Free Breeding

[TaliaCristianna]

[QUOTE=stoicfish;5809046]

What happened to breeders being able to tell a good horse from not? Or do we all need someone else to pick our horses for us because we cannot judge the horse in front of us. It is interesting that we all rely so heavily on a screening process and choose stallions that we have never seen in person.[/QUOTE]

Just had to chime in to say that I love this sentiment.

This is a cultural phenomenon. In my opinion it extends far beyond the horse industry. We live in a day and age where people no longer believe in or trust their own instincts. Everything must be spoon-fed to them by the “appropriate authorities…” (Who, of course, ONLY have our best interests at heart, right?)

But I digress! Back on topic now.

[tucktaway]

Congratulations!!!
It will be fun to watch him progress!

[3Dogs]

Most people on this forum, I say most, don’t breed to breed so spare us the details of the unwanted horse problem. We know, we’re not stupid. Every thread now has to have this token comment from someone who thinks they need to pipe up, just in case.

Oh dear Terri - so sorry I offended with my need to “chime in” just “in case”

Maybe your being over the pond (in one of my favorite places) offers a different view? I wish I had your confidence that everyone breeding is as well educated, committed and serious as you are. Not my experience, but uh oh, that’s me wanting to “chime in” just “in case” -

[QUOTE=Equilibrium;5809308]
Good luck Sunfire. You have a long road ahead but things are looking good so far.

3dogs, some of us won’t entertain breeding unless we plan on keeping said foal for 4 years. Thus we plan to raise, start, and put possible miles on. We calculate the risks and then decide. I’m really sick of the unwanted horse problem being my problem. My goal isn’t to sell foals. Sometimes I get lucky but before I breed I plan on 4 years at least. It’s as if every breeder that trys to do anything right still gets lumped into the unwanted horse category. If all responsible breeders stopped breeding, good luck trying to find anything decent to ride in 5 years time.

Most people on this forum, I say most, don’t breed to breed so spare us the details of the unwanted horse problem. We know, we’re not stupid. Every thread now has to have this token comment from someone who thinks they need to pipe up, just in case.

Terri[/QUOTE]

[ahf]

3Dogs, I’m on THIS side of the pond, and I’m getting OUT of the breeding business and have no foals coming, and you managed to offend me too.

I do NOT like the “big brother” tone that’s been seeping onto this board. I’ll make my own breeding decisions and I do not appreciate being told to “think twice” by a complete stranger before I inseminate either of my very good producers.

But, that’s just my own feeling. I guess you have a right to preach/express your view even if I take exception to it.

[selah]

“Her life was okay. Sometimes she wished she were sleeping with the right man instead of with her dog, but she never felt she was sleeping with the wrong dog.”

…but she was always pretty sure that the wrong horses were sleeping together…

[Nootka]

[QUOTE=selah;5810632]
“Her life was okay. Sometimes she wished she were sleeping with the right man instead of with her dog, but she never felt she was sleeping with the wrong dog.”

…but she was always pretty sure that the wrong horses were sleeping together…
:p[/QUOTE]

LMAOOOO

[EquusMagnificus]

[QUOTE=selah;5810632]
“Her life was okay. Sometimes she wished she were sleeping with the right man instead of with her dog, but she never felt she was sleeping with the wrong dog.”

…but she was always pretty sure that the wrong horses were sleeping together…
:p[/QUOTE]

ROTFL! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[3Dogs]

[QUOTE=EquusMagnificus;5810883]
ROTFL! :lol::lol::lol::lol:[/QUOTE]

That is funny:yes::lol::yes: - really cute Selah !

…but she was always pretty sure that the wrong horses were sleeping together

only I don’t really get what saying that folks who had raised an issue to a free breeding to an untested 2 year old deserved some of the posts here. That WAS my point after all but have your fun guys - always tough to be reasonable on this board LOL

I have always been quite proud of that quote from a writer who is virtually unknown - glad you all could twist it to add more humor to it - god knows, given weather and quakes and other trying occurences, humor is GOOD !

[EquusMagnificus]

@3Dogs;5810896

always tough to be reasonable on this board LOL

And that’s why it is always so refreshing to find a bit of humor. :winkgrin:

Thanks for playing along 3Dogs!

[Home_Again_Farm]

Some lovely dog thought with proper derivation:

http://www.librarything.com/topic/29485

[buschkn]

@3Dogs;5810896

I have always been quite proud of that quote from a writer who is virtually unknown - glad you all could twist it to add more humor to it - god knows, given weather and quakes and other trying occurences, humor is GOOD !

Have always loved that quote in your signature line, and have sent it to some friends. It’d be great if you could add the author’s name since she is virtually unknown, but would be better known by a lot of people if you did! According to the dog quotes listed in the link by HAF, this quote is from a story by Judith Collas entitled “Change of Life”.

And awesome twist Selah. Most clever.

[sporthorsefilly]

Lovely, lovely young stallion, best of luck with him!

I love Zeus lines,

I have two Alla Czar (by Zeus) grand kids and one mare by Cardinal846 (Zeus) They are incredible athletes!

[SunFire_Farm]

Please excuse me for my blatant show of pride… a friend of mine informed me that Embrace earned the highest jumping index score in the country, out of (I believe) 72 stallions presented in 2011. I’ll have to find out what publication she got her info. from and share it… but I was so tickled I wanted to share.
His Dam didn’t get back in foal last year, so I suppose I’ll give her one more try this year and if she doesn’t take, retire her. You would never know it to look at her, but she’s 22. I am planing on breeding Embrace’s half sister out of the same mare this year though, she’s by Landwerder… fun bloodlines! Embrace gave us a HUGE black colt out of a Watch Me mare that is sold and headed to Tenn. next month… so maybe that mare will get bred back to him. We’ll see…
Anyway… I just wanted to slash the triumph around a bit. Its not every day that a horse that was so insulted proves himself so spectacularly. He’ll be doing the stallion test soon, but I expect we won’t hear much from him after that until he see’s some years in the show ring… at least I HOPE we’ll hear from him!!!

[MysticOakRanch]

Congratulations! That is great news!

[alliekat]

[QUOTE=SunFire Farm;6087975]
Please excuse me for my blatant show of pride… a friend of mine informed me that Embrace earned the highest jumping index score in the country, out of (I believe) 72 stallions presented in 2011. I’ll have to find out what publication she got her info. from and share it… but I was so tickled I wanted to share.
His Dam didn’t get back in foal last year, so I suppose I’ll give her one more try this year and if she doesn’t take, retire her. You would never know it to look at her, but she’s 22. I am planing on breeding Embrace’s half sister out of the same mare this year though, she’s by Landwerder… fun bloodlines! Embrace gave us a HUGE black colt out of a Watch Me mare that is sold and headed to Tenn. next month… so maybe that mare will get bred back to him. We’ll see…
Anyway… I just wanted to slash the triumph around a bit. Its not every day that a horse that was so insulted proves himself so spectacularly. He’ll be doing the stallion test soon, but I expect we won’t hear much from him after that until he see’s some years in the show ring… at least I HOPE we’ll hear from him!!! ;)[/QUOTE]
Wendy, I am so excited for you and so proud of Embrace. I sure wish I had our new mare when you were making this very generous offer. I think she would have crossed wonderfully with him. Again congrats to all. I know you are beaming with pride!!

[misita]

[QUOTE=TaliaCristianna;5810279]
This is a cultural phenomenon. In my opinion it extends far beyond the horse industry. We live in a day and age where people no longer believe in or trust their own instincts. Everything must be spoon-fed to them by the “appropriate authorities…” (Who, of course, ONLY have our best interests at heart, right?)

But I digress! Back on topic now.[/QUOTE]

Isn’t that the truth!

[ne1]

“What happened to breeders being able to tell a good horse from not? Or do we all need someone else to pick our horses for us because we cannot judge the horse in front of us. It is interesting that we all rely so heavily on a screening process and choose stallions that we have never seen in person.”

[QUOTE=misita;6088363]
Isn’t that the truth![/QUOTE]

i’ll play devil’s advocate here… or at least offer a balancing thought.

the problem is that not every opinion of a given horse is a qualified, informed opinion. some have instinct; some have educated instinct.

a little bit of knowledge and a little bit of confidence are an awful mixture which i’ve seen result in many inferior breeding products, not only from stallion selections but much more critically from choices of mares to be bred.

other places have literally centuries of data and experience in facing the challenge of producing a desireable equine. there are people who know more than me, and i warmly welcome their input.

the desire to rely on one’s own gut can frequently be interpreted as flat-out laziness to become better informed; a failure to more fundamentally look at the breeding paradigm.

[rodawn]

Wendy, are you planning on taking Embrace to the 2012 North American SPT? He’s growing up to be a rather nice looking youngster.

[misita]

Ne1

[QUOTE=TaliaCristianna;5810279]
Just had to chime in to say that I love this sentiment.

This is a cultural phenomenon. In my opinion it extends far beyond the horse industry. We live in a day and age where people no longer believe in or trust their own instincts. Everything must be spoon-fed to them by the “appropriate authorities…” (Who, of course, ONLY have our best interests at heart, right?)

But I digress! Back on topic now.[/QUOTE]

@misita;6088363

Isn’t that the truth!

The above quote is the one I was referring to and I do think we live in a culture where many people prefer to be told what to do. That way, when things go wrong, they can blame someone else. Why do you think the US Gov. is in every aspect of our lives!

Breeders should of course do ‘all due diligence’ in planning a breeding and then make their decision. I’m not advocating just putting who ever together because one thinks their gut says to. As breeders, we should all be paying attention to those with more experience and success and learn from them! That’s why I read this forum so often, to learn what more experienced breeders are doing and what their experiences have been.

Regarding Embrace, I think it’s great she did some test breedings before she spent tens of thousands of $$ getting all his approvals. It appears the babies turned out well and I’m very happy for her. If I were planning a breeding to Embrace, by the little information that I have about him, I would definitely be using a mare with very good movement and was known to pass that on to her offspring. One like Faunja by First Class.

And Wendy, you need to go tell ISR to put Embraces’ star up. They forgot it when they put him on the auction site.

[SunFire_Farm]

Update Embrace has completed the 70day test and now lifetime licensed with the Oldenburg Na, and impressed a few other registries (TBA) as well. You’ll be able to see pictures and video soon on HuntersCourt.com if you are curious!