Congratulations that’s fantastic news!
I also have a Zeus granddaughter and she is a spitting image of him. He must heavily influence his get.
Would love to see pictures!
Pictures… well, I’m not very good at posting them here… but I did make a video. 
Once the photographer posts the pic.s from the inspection I’ll try to link them. Here is my home-made video!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsR9VQeJQ8Q 
I want so see some of his foals 2:yes:
Wendy I think Em rocked it and is definitely something to be considered as a future US stallion.
Congrats Wendy. I have always loved Embrace ever since he was born. I have enjoyes watching him develop and see a bright future ahead for him. Can’t wait to see his other foals. His first filly is beautiful. Congrats to you, Embrace and his team. He looks fantastic!!
Congratulations Wendy. I know that you are excited and how rewarding for you
Congrats! He is beautiful.
Congrats! Can’t wait to see some pics of his foals too!!
Congrats, he’s absolutely gorgeous!!! I’m sure he has a bright future as a stallion - I’ll definitely consider him!!
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So I guess there aren’t enough unwanted mutts out there? Now we have to attract more mare owners who think it would be fun to breed. Great…
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Wow. How insulting. Test breeding is normal, natural, and most do it that are interested in running a good breeding operation. Just because they are test bread foals does NOT mean they’ll be “unwanted mutts”. SHEESH!!! What a sweeping statement. We don’t all see the world through your glasses. Thank God.
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however… the foals that were conceived last year are eligible to be inspected and registered this year. :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]
Didn’t this thread turn out in an interesting fashion?
Congrats. I had a peek at the FB photos and he is really very very lovely.
Isn’t this thread blatant advertising? Why have the moderators left it up? I’m happy for the owner’s success but really, this is a little over the top.
Great score! Much congratulations. I enjoyed watching your video.
Just curious, what were his scores for gaits?
blatant advertising? not.at.all.
maybe I’m missing something, but who is advertising?
The OP never sought all the philosophical pontification that her post elicited. She has handled every unsolicited criticism with grace. Her detractors are the ones who defined their issues as “clear and fair”.
I’m sorry, what is CLEARLY FAIR (and very satisfying!) is that Sunfire is finally allowed to respond with objective evidence. This is great! After many months of hand wringing, the purists should now rest a bit more peacefully.
Sunfire, thank-you so much for the update. Congratulations!!! Your beautiful boy deserves the accolades
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Great score! Much congratulations. I enjoyed watching your video.
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You caught me, Trinity! LOL I didn’t share them because it occurred to me that people can not be trusted to be reasonable… and dressage type horses shine in their movement scores, while jumping bred horses earn their numbers in the jump chute. I could just imagine what may be said by people who do not understand the difference between the scores that a dressage type horse would earn… and Embrace’s scores, since Embrace is heavily bred to jump (obviously). However… I’ll share that he earned a 69.5 for conformation type, a 63.0 dressage index (no surprise there) and a 92.5 total jumping index (No surprise there either!).
Of course… these numbers will mean nothing once he reaches the show ring. I sure hope he is able to full fill everyone’s expectations… so far, so good!
What did they say about his conformation and movement?
Like his dam very much.
Is there a pedigree online? Always interested in looking at bloodlines. Where does his color come from?
Congrats to the owner for confidence in her stallion.
without stirring the pot further - yet I reach for wine:
I think it is wonderful that this now 3 year old did very well in his initial presentation. Years to go !
I do not think that those who were reserved in their enthusiasm for breeding a then 2 year old un-inpsected colt are to be lambasted.
Always so diffucult to discuss here - owner all fired up, supporters fired up, breeders fired up - reasonable discussion abandoned. Everyone so committted to THEIR horses
Bottom line from my little itsey bitty breeder’s perspective?
He may be bred to the nines, he is very young, he has a way to go and fabulous he got such GREAT preliminary scores.
The larger picture is still that we have too many babies, too many horses being sent to kill auctions, too many aged broodmares being given away, etc.
So, unless you REALLY want to breed in these times, it is the best advice that you breed GREAT proven mares to proven stallions UNLESS you can afford to experiment - and will not need to dump said progeny and can keep for as long as needed.
Sunfire, not saying the progeny of your young stallion would be dumped -and not saying you may not have a super stallion who I know you intend to do the 70 day trial with - only I am pointing out that those who were naysayers did so for a very good reason.
No one is proven “wrong” at this point IMHO
I remember you, 3Dogs.
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too many aged broodmares being given away[/QUOTE]
This young stallion came from one of those mares. She was 18 when she had Embrace. She wasn’t free… but she was definitely in my price range due to being an old lady… and she will spend the rest of her days with me. I adore her. :winkgrin:
For the COTHer who asked, Embrace’s pedigree is on allbreedpedigree.com
and…
Where did Embrace’s color come from? His sire is Escapade, who of course has 4 stockings… but Embrace’s white goes a good bit higher. His Dams sire is Zeus, who didn’t have socks… but did seem to produce them (Remember Alla’Czar?) so my theory is that these genes were given to him from both sides of his pedigree. The one foal that has already been born has three very tall stockings and a tall sock… out of a mostly solid mare… so maybe he’ll reproduce it too. We’ll see!
This is interesting.
All young stallions go through a similar process, except those that take the sports route. And many people do test breedings to see how the stallion will reproduce. I am not sure what all the fuss is about. There are young marketing phenoms in Europe that breed hundreds of mares a year and then disappear, some talked about on this forum. This is only a few mares and the reality is that even Hickstead is under the microscope as a stallion till his young ones get a little older. Even if a stallion finishes number one in his test, or is in the top of his sport, or has the best bloodlines ever - it is his foals that determine if he is a worthy sire and that must be determined by evaluating his offspring. His age has nothing to do with his ability as a sire.
When she offered the breedings, the young stallion had passed the age appropriate criteria for becoming a stallion. He looks like an interesting horse.
What happened to breeders being able to tell a good horse from not? Or do we all need someone else to pick our horses for us because we cannot judge the horse in front of us. It is interesting that we all rely so heavily on a screening process and choose stallions that we have never seen in person.
Good luck Sunfire. You have a long road ahead but things are looking good so far.
3dogs, some of us won’t entertain breeding unless we plan on keeping said foal for 4 years. Thus we plan to raise, start, and put possible miles on. We calculate the risks and then decide. I’m really sick of the unwanted horse problem being my problem. My goal isn’t to sell foals. Sometimes I get lucky but before I breed I plan on 4 years at least. It’s as if every breeder that trys to do anything right still gets lumped into the unwanted horse category. If all responsible breeders stopped breeding, good luck trying to find anything decent to ride in 5 years time.
Most people on this forum, I say most, don’t breed to breed so spare us the details of the unwanted horse problem. We know, we’re not stupid. Every thread now has to have this token comment from someone who thinks they need to pipe up, just in case.
Terri
