FRESH Modern Dressage Stallion to add elasticity, length of leg and hind end power.

[ProspectHill]

From this fall. We had only had her for two months before this video and she had been out of work for awhile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTO9KnROU4o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvIidI6kxxQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxXtdskDvkc

regrettably standing downhill here
https://www.facebook.com/prospecthillllc/photos/a.820468977994916.1073741832.717454704963011/840238789351268/?l=0aeec0cd8a

standing level but not cleaned up
https://www.facebook.com/prospecthillllc/photos/a.820468977994916.1073741832.717454704963011/824080984300382/?l=f96916096d

More pics and videos:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.820468977994916.1073741832.717454704963011&type=3

Feel free to critique…

[ProspectHill]

Any opinions on Connaisseur? Certainly would add elasticity.

[clint]

I love Connaisseur, and someday I will breed to him. I love his breeding and his movement. He has a couple of offspring in Europe that are riding age. His owner is very responsive, if you contact her. He is available frozen, and limited fresh semen this year.

[Mozart]

It’s a shame Autocrat passed away, he would have fit your requirements quite nicely.

[ProspectHill]

Thank you Clint. Sara and I have exchanged emails and she believes Connaisseur and Chantilly would be a nice fit. She stated that with the older crop in Europe she didn’t usually have pictures of what the mare looked like only the resulting offspring. I had asked for any info of crosses similar to my mare. Sara was very nice and reports he has super semen :yes:

I believe he meets my requirements of elasticity, refinement, temperament. Many nice offspring on his FB page as well.

[ProspectHill]

And FYI Nicole did email me back and confirm Rousseau’s retirement.

[winter]

I like the look of Sir Gregory and he’s very popular but his hind leg doesn’t wow me. His foals are very attractive.
I would look at Rubinus. He is often overlooked, he doesn’t photograph well but he is lovely and multi-talented. Beautiful head, long leg (which is hard to tell from his photos with tall riders, but obvious in person) and lovely elastic movement. I like the elasticity, the look and the temperament of the offspring. They can jump as well which is a nice bonus.
I have one who is rideable, very pretty head and longer legs than mom. She is an elastic, effortless mover.

[winter]

PS, I love Connaiseur as well

[epowers]

I would definitely not count on Sir Gregory to add elasticity. He certainly does seem to make them leggy, though.

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=epowers;7982104]
I would definitely not count on Sir Gregory to add elasticity. He certainly does seem to make them leggy, though.[/QUOTE]

That is interesting, because I have been told that he is pretty elastic himself - although may not always add elasticity if the mare has none. And also that he doesn’t add to length of leg as reliably as, say, his sire Sir Donnerhall.

[ProspectHill]

Interesting notes on Sir G. Thank you for your input. I had seen some that looked like they had more elasticity and length of leg than their mothers. Its nice to consider opinions from a larger pool. Thank you.

Rubinus is an engaging suggestion.

[winter]

[QUOTE=ProspectHill;7983360]
Interesting notes on Sir G. Thank you for your input. I had seen some that looked like they had more elasticity and length of leg than their mothers. Its nice to consider opinions from a larger pool. Thank you.

Rubinus is an engaging suggestion.[/QUOTE]

I think you might be pleasantly surprised. He was just sold to Red Wagon farm to go back to work as a dressage horse after his bout in the hunters. If you find some videos of his offspring you will see the ones out of decent mares are very very nice. They have really elastic movement while still being strong. I think the problem with some of the new popular horses is they have flashy movement that ends up being too lose and weak IMO. Plus mine is SO trainable and came broke in the bridle. She was very sensitive so we had to start her carefully but that sensitivity translated into a very good riding horse once started. Mine jumps cute too but seems more dressage like overall.

[clint]

I’m another fan of Rubinus. I wanted to breed my EMC Del Piero mare to him last year, but she didn’t cooperate. I have looked on his new owner’s website, but there is no information there about Rubinus and breeding to him.

[ProspectHill]

I looked on their website as well Clint. On their Facebook it said they would be posting stud fee’s soon.

Winter sounds like you have a nice prospect I will start looking into some of his kids.

[ProspectHill]

Any thoughts on Pablo or his son Pablito? I have seen some comments that Pablo adds a powerful hind end and length of leg. My mare has Voltaire in her pedigree. This posting was interesting regarding a potential Volatire x Pablo cross:

http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?316952-What-do-you-think-of-a-foal-by-Voltaire-out-of-a-Pilot-mare

Then there’s the added bonus of working with Edgar

[ChocoMare]

Peek at Saint Sandro

Refinement and, while he’s not that tall, the Sandro Hit height tends to come out.

[DownYonder]

I have also been a fan of Rubinus for some time. He not only has the great Rubinstein I as sire, but his damline brings in Holsteiner blood. Also worth mentioning is that Rubinus received extremely high scores from AHS at his licensing a few years ago - IIRC, they were some of the highest scores ever.

OP might want to check with Edgar, but I don’t know how much Pablo or Pablito would improve length of leg. They might also bring in more spice than the OP wants.

I get a little confused about Connaisseur, because I see him referred to as KWPN But isn’t he actually a Hanoverian? (But whichever, he sure looks like a nice horse!)

As for Saint Sandro - I am not sure he would reliably improve temperament/rideability, or with with his Arabian damline, reliably add power to the hindend.

[winter]

Yes, I do love my Rubinus filly. I am kicking myself that she’s in foal right now because I would like to be riding her, but the foal she had last year was so nice I had to breed her once more. As soon as this one is weaned though, she will be my full time riding horse.

I think I love him so much because who wouldn’t want a horse in the barn who can move the way he does in the dressage video and go jump a 3’6" derby course as well. Agreed on the Holsteiner dam line as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3VR8xMWhY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1q9KJ520BM

[DFWequestrian]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;7985409]
I have also been a fan of Rubinus for some time. He not only has the great Rubinstein I as sire, but his damline brings in Holsteiner blood. Also worth mentioning is that Rubinus received extremely high scores from AHS at his licensing a few years ago - IIRC, they were some of the highest scores ever.

OP might want to check with Edgar, but I don’t know how much Pablo or Pablito would improve length of leg. They might also bring in more spice than the OP wants.

I get a little confused about Connaisseur, because I see him referred to as KWPN But isn’t he actually a Hanoverian? (But whichever, he sure looks like a nice horse!)

As for Saint Sandro - I am not sure he would reliably improve temperament/rideability, or with with his Arabian damline, reliably add power to the hindend.[/QUOTE]

Actually, I have to disagree with you down yonder…Saint sired the highest moving foal (out of 427) on the whole entire ISR Oldenburg tour, as well as the highest ratio of premium foals for all stallions with numerous foals (more than 4 or 5). I personally think he would be a great choice, as his foals scores and judges comments don’t lie

[TwoSweetPeas]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;7985409]

As for Saint Sandro - I am not sure he would reliably improve temperament/rideability, or with with his Arabian damline, reliably add power to the hindend.[/QUOTE]

A couple years ago, I spent about nine months riding Saint Sandro 4-5x a week and taking him to local shows. He has an amazing temperament and super rideability, too. I could gush for pages about what a joy he was to ride, hang around, do anything with.

From what I’ve seen, Saint Sandro stamps his foals pretty reliably with the same temperament. I spent time handling a bunch of his foals, as well, and was consistently impressed. Some days I wish my full-grown mare would act like one of his weanlings