Game Over

[Just_My_Style]

It is just getting good! The problem is when people talk in absolutes. I would think that any seller/ trainer that has a horse on the market (especially where the market is tanked in most parts of the country) would talk to any person that called about a horse, give them an interview over the phone and weed them out from there. But to say that the main criteria is that a person has to have a trainer is like saying that the person has to ride in a certain type of saddle. It doesn’t dictate their abilites nor does it dictate the ease of sale. And for every one fantastic trainer that knows their stuff and brings credibility to the table, I can find you 25 that couldn’t ride or train their way out of a bag of cheetos. Just because they took the time to print a business card does not mean that they are qualified to guide someone in a purchase.

And I know plenty of old timers that still are very passionate about horses, have money and love to ride. They don’t have a trainer because showing is no longer a priority. They may take an occassional lesson or clinic. At the same time, they want to own a nice horse. Just because I don’t attempt to make a living off the industry, does not make me dumb. Maybe I am smart enough to make my money elsewhere and keep calling myself an ammie.

[SSFLandon]

@KC and the Sunshine Band;2870237

Are you kidding? It’s just getting good.

:yes:

Popcorn anyone?

Sorry but, too mane nasty people…I’m happy to take consturctive comments but, not nasty-ness. Thanks to all that has something useful to say.

[eventmom]

[QUOTE=Just My Style;2870211]
So, I have nearly 30 years experience, showed the A circuit in the NE from the time I was 6 years old, rode with one of the top BNTs in history for my junior years, has a husband who rode horses in FL and rode with another one of the leading BNTs in history, own our own place, and make an income to easily support horses and… you wouldn’t talk to me? Your loss![/QUOTE]
:lol::lol::lol: You just said it all:lol::lol::lol:

[RockinHorse]

When I have shopped on my own, I have never had a problem with sellers not wanting to deal with me and it never occured to me that some would. The reason I have not had a problem may be that I shop for prospects and not made show horses. In shopping for prospects (with or without a trainer) I don’t necessarily shop at h/j barns because I have found that prospects can often be found for a better price in barns specializing in other disciplines. When I do shop at h/j barns I generally either already know the trainer/seller or know people that do so it is pretty easy for them to check out my credentials if they want. Sounds like maybe some other disciplines are more used to dealing with us ammies.

[flshgordon]

Every so often a topic like this comes up and every time I am just floored by how much some of you can act like jerks!

Just because someone doesn’t go shopping with a trainer, doesn’t make them an idiot and those of you that say you won’t show a horse without a trainer present, really you need to stop acting like you are Tiffany’s of horse sales. You’re telling me that if you have a 50K horse for sale and a serious buyer wants to come look at it, you’re going to turn them down because they come alone? This is the most whacked mentality I have heard of in a while.

I have bought horses in the past without having a trainer present. All of them have turned out as I thought or better. I’m not saying I would never use a trainer to help me find a horse, but to basically insinuate that amateurs are idiots who don’t know one end of the horse from the other? Some of you need to get over yourselves. I don’t begrudge someone who wants to put their trainer in charge of finding them a horse and you shouldn’t eliminate me as a buyer because I don’t choose to do so. :no:

[Just_My_Style]

you need to stop acting like you are Tiffany’s of horse sales.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[War_Admiral]

You know what? The “I won’t sell to anyone who doesn’t have a trainer” thing is basically protectionism.

Compare to the snotty furniture/fabric/antique stores that won’t sell items to customers walking in off the street - they will only sell to you through your interior decorator - which means that if you want to buy their product, you have to hire one.

These people choose not to do business with me. I choose not to do business with them.

We all make choices.

[Tory_Relic]

@Just My Style;2870259

It is just getting good! The problem is when people talk in absolutes. I would think that any seller/ trainer that has a horse on the market (especially where the market is tanked in most parts of the country) would talk to any person that called about a horse, give them an interview over the phone and weed them out from there. But to say that the main criteria is that a person has to have a trainer is like saying that the person has to ride in a certain type of saddle. It doesn’t dictate their abilites nor does it dictate the ease of sale. And for every one fantastic trainer that knows their stuff and brings credibility to the table, I can find you 25 that couldn’t ride or train their way out of a bag of cheetos. Just because they took the time to print a business card does not mean that they are qualified to guide someone in a purchase.

And I know plenty of old timers that still are very passionate about horses, have money and love to ride. They don’t have a trainer because showing is no longer a priority. They may take an occassional lesson or clinic. At the same time, they want to own a nice horse. Just because I don’t attempt to make a living off the industry, does not make me dumb. Maybe I am smart enough to make my money elsewhere and keep calling myself an ammie.

Exactly! Especially that last part (emphasis added).

[WWGeorgeMorrisD]

I’ve read some good perspectives on this tread. Even though they didn’t change my mind, it’s good to be open to different points of view. And not just be totally closed minded and think your way or the highway.

[Lori]

[QUOTE=War Admiral;2871169]
You know what? The “I won’t sell to anyone who doesn’t have a trainer” thing is basically protectionism.

Compare to the snotty furniture/fabric/antique stores that won’t sell items to customers walking in off the street - they will only sell to you through your interior decorator - which means that if you want to buy their product, you have to hire one.

These people choose not to do business with me. I choose not to do business with them.

We all make choices. :D[/QUOTE]

Protectionism from what? A tire kicker is a tire kicker with or without a trainer.

Interior designers have a business license to purchase from wholesalers. They also will have accounts set up with certain businesses. Maybe there are exceptions, but when the tax man is involved, you usually have a tax ID. Some shops cannot sell retail. That is not snobby, it is the way they are set up legally to do business. If they are snobby, well, I have met snobby in malls, too.
I personally know of no antique shops that don’t sell to the general public–but who knows, they could be out there. Fabric stores, yes, I do know of those that sell only to designers(my good friend is a designer and she took me out on some shopping runs to different places to help her). Furniture and rug places we went to also sold discounted to designers, but still let retail customers in. Sure, they may treat you as “less than” if you don’t have a designer along…(so you grab a friend and have her do the looking with you like a designer. )

So, do these sales barns have trainers that have accounts to purchase horses from them? How would they know if a person brought a “real” trainer with them or just another horseperson? How would you screen for a “legit” or not?

I have helped quite a few people horse or pony shop before, but don’t take money for the help I give.
I have gone either alone first or along with someone and ridden and evaluated the prospects for them. Does that make me any less qualified than someone who would have charged them because I did it to be helpful? No seller ever said a cross word about it when I told them I was looking for someone else. Maybe they assumed I was getting paid, so I passed the “test”, who knows??

[yikes123]

why not drop it

Ok, poeple the OP has obviosly decided the thread was not a good idea or got the points whatever it is (assumption here) and deleted her posts…why keep going with it. She had her opinion and that’s fine. Do you all need to continue to browbeat an issue that she has decided to drop??

FYI, I shop with trainers…

[Hey_Nineteen]

[QUOTE=yikes123;2873014]
Ok, poeple the OP has obviosly decided the thread was not a good idea or got the points whatever it is (assumption here) and deleted her posts…why keep going with it. She had her opinion and that’s fine. Do you all need to continue to browbeat an issue that she has decided to drop??

FYI, I shop with trainers…[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, that is not the way a public forum works. OP posted, many people replied - some agreeing, many not agreeing. Just because OP did not appreciate some of the responses (a few of which were down right immature, cough, cough <KC!!!> cough, cough) does not mean that this is not a valid topic for discussion.

[magnolia73]

Fortunately, it’s a free world. We can buy/sell to/from whomever we choose to. I’m sure in the small world of uber expensive horses it is easier to deal “within the network”. I’m not so sure I’d want just anyone sitting on my $200,000 horse for a trial ride.

At the lower price points, you probably should try to market more broadly. There are a lot of decent ammies out there who can buy and sell on their own. With some experience, its not too hard to tell if a horse is suitable or not. I do think as the price goes up, you might seek more experienced opinions to insure you are maximizing your investment.

To the OP- people get rude all the time- but you really insulted probably 75% of this board by dismissing non-pros as bumbling fools who can’t buy a horse.

[KC_and_the_Sunshine]

[QUOTE=Hey Nineteen;2873040]
Just because OP did not appreciate some of the responses (a few of which were down right immature, cough, cough <KC!!!> cough, cough) does not mean that this is not a valid topic for discussion.[/QUOTE]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don’t know what you you mean?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It was all in fun, just trying to get a rise out of the old girl. It worked too. :eek:

[saje]

[QUOTE=KC and the Sunshine Band;2873127]

It was all in fun, just trying to get a rise out of the old girl. It worked too. :eek:[/QUOTE]

That phrase ought to appear in the dictionary under the heading “TROLL”

:rolleyes:

[KC_and_the_Sunshine]

Alter, YES. Troll, well, maybe a little bit!