Well my doctor is mad because everytime I get all worked up and angry I end up in the hospital with premature contractions. Sigh. But, if I were closer to my due date it might help progress the labor along lol! :winkgrin:
Your friend needs to reply in writing. “Any monies you have chosen to spend over and above the purchase price are just that. Monies YOU CHOSE to spend. All actions beyond our sales contract are YOUR CHOICE and, therefore, YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. Full payment is to be wired to my bank account by XXXX or the price of returning the horse will be your responsibility…also as per our written agreement.”
just for clarity-- Monies you choose to spend
tell her to take great care in how she words things. Good luck.
Well, I consider the “trainer” a buyer’s agent.
Maybe your friend could get a “seller’s agent” and someone from COTH would volunteer (a good yeller)???
I am wondering when this crooked trainer is going to start deducting the horse’s board, also.
Um, chose is correct. As in past tense. The person already spent the money. The person “chose” to spend it.
—whatever
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(a good yeller)???[/QUOTE]
Hahahaha…Dude, that’s totally me.
Hang on, let me fight with the boyf a little first, though, ok? That always makes me up for a good yelling-at session. :winkgrin:
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Ah yes, where is the burly canuck who was sent over to rough up Chanter’s wrongly accused ex barn manager.
Maybe he is still available for wild goose chases.
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Ah yes, where is the burly canuck who was sent over to rough up Chanter’s wrongly accused ex barn manager.
Maybe he is still available for wild goose chases.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I’m not buying that the OWNER of the horse cannot find out
where the horse is showing so she can send an agent to watch.
She’s perfectly within her rights to send someone to view (and film)
her horse. To say she ‘can’t find out’ where the horse will be is B.S.
I can understand not giving out names of the people involved in an
ongoing situation, but I don’t think for one second she can’t pick up
the phone and find out exactly where the horse will be so someone
can go see it.
Does your friend get bailed out of situations a lot? Methinks you are a victim in all of this. You seem to be the ONLY one that cares and is constantly trying to help her out.
I’m feeling bad for the 2 victims right now.
The horse
And you
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Bear in mind that I’ve probably read too much Dick Francis over the years, but… consider the possibility that this horse, the one that did poorly at the show, and the one that COTHers hope to check on, may no longer be OP’s friend’s horse, but a plain bay TB substitute. Perhaps OP’s friend’s horse has already been sold on, or is being hidden somewhere until the expected “flip” sale can take place. The good news, in that case, would be that they haven’t ruined a good horse.
I kept wondering why they made a point of sending the Christmas photo and admitting that they changed his name, food, and supplements. Then I thought that perhaps they sent the photo to establish, in case “proof” was needed, that “this” is the horse they received from OP’s friend… at Christmastime, 2007 (as can be seen, I assume, from the card).
EC, can your friend be sure that the horse in the photo is hers?
(Or maybe it was just an innocent, friendly photo, card, and note, in which case it was rather sweet of them.)[/QUOTE]
Actually, I don’t see criminal intent in the buyer’s actions. I just see a very, very savvy negotiator.
I think the kid’s dad is one of these a$$hat businessmen that has to control every aspect of the transaction. He wants to drive down the price of the horse, and to get a 6 week, multi-show test drive to boot. He intended to keep the horse until Jan. 15 all along, despite what the owner was told when the horse shipped down. And trust me, the horse’s antics at the show, and ANYTHING that shows up on the PPE, will be used to lower the offered price. The trainer has also, to a certain extent, just been along for the ride - I’m guessing that Dad is a difficult client and makes her unhappy on a regular basis - thus the threat to dump him if he backs out of the purchase.
Or I could just be imagining it all, given that the story is getting to us here on COTH 3rd or 4th hand. But we’ve all gotta admit, it is an interesting saga to be following!
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I don’t know if anyone has said this, but where are your friends parents right now? I know she is an adult but I also know if my dad saw me making BAD financial decisions he would step in and take over or at least give me advice and help me make things right (and I’m 26!). She needs a real adult right now (even if it’s not a parent), someone who has some life experience and won’t be taken advantage of, someone that will scare the he** out of these people so they know your friend means business.
I agree. I mentioned almost the same thing many pages ago and I don’t recall ever seeing any mention of parents or other adults. The owner really needs the help of another adult/parent to guide her
And she does NOT need to own a horse. :mad:
I’m good at yelling and getting things done my way … 
And, I’m pregnant too!!! So, I’m more b**** too.
Seriously, I would not let the horse show. Your friend is still the owner and so, she can do whatever she wants with her horse.
If the contract, says that they can have the horse on trial till the 15th, I guess she doesn’t have a ton of options till then BUT …
I would tell them that they have till the 15th to do the PPE and send thema certified letter and all the goodies to say that if money is not wired on the 15th, the horse will be shipped at their expenses on the 16th.
PERIOD
I don’t care if they have a tantrum, I don’t care if they have ‘INVESTED’ $1,000 or $10,000 or even $1,000,000 into the horse.
There is a contract that says that they have till the 15th to decide is they want to buy the horse or not. Plain and simple.
If it’s yes, they send the full amount and if it’s no they send him back. Everything in between doesn’t matter.
Seriously, Give me all the email addresses, I’m going to get all that mess sorted in 5 emails. At this point every exchange should be done in writting.
I agree. I mentioned almost the same thing many pages ago and I don’t recall ever seeing any mention of parents or other adults. The owner really needs the help of another adult/parent to guide her
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The OP has mentioned in several posts that the owner gets no support from her parents… no explanation if they are estranged, dead, broke, etc.
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Exactly.
Can’t wait for the next update, but actually, this thread is getting too frustrating to read anymore. It doesn’t matter if they’ve invested $1500 or 50 cents, NO SELLER lets a horse out of their control for this long get a vet check. PERIOD.
What happened to NO more shows?
Naivete is one thing, WILLFULLY LEAVING YOUR HORSE IN HARM’S WAY is just cruel.
Not everyone’s parents would give a damn if their kid was in over his/her head. :sadsmile:
Utter Bs. Lies and b********. If your friend agrees to this, she is without a doubt…I’m trying not to name call her, but you know, I’m now as angry at her as I am at the scammers.
Poor horse. What an owner, young or not, to allow her horse to be yanked around a 3’ course for an entire division no less, with more to come.
I agree, the owner is a tool. I also am beginning to have serious doubts about this thread. I think the OP is full of BS. Otherwise, there would be a convoy picking up the horse. No one is responsible and no one is steppign up to the plate to sort this out. Its just goes on and on. I think the OP wants to see how long she can get attention about this and how long she can string idiots like us along.
I was given this link to see what the BS O-meter says, and this one is way out there.
Personally, my BS meter is off the charts here.
Requests for names, locations, trainer’s names, etc. have all gone unanswered. People have offered to go look for the horse, bring the horse home, etc. None of the offers have been accepted. All we have is drama being posted by a “friend” but no real action being taken by friend or owner to find horse after what, 2 months? Um, right. If it was my horse, a) it never would have gone in the first place, and b) if I didn’t have a definitive answer by now, I would have moved heaven and earth to get my horse back or at the very least verify it was safe and still where it was supposed to be. The fact that nothing has been done after all this time leads me to believe this “plain bay horse” should have its name changed to “Figment of my Imagination”.
What I see is that we have all gotten hooked on this drama that is taking so long to unfold…and we are junkies for the next little tidbit of info. Gotta do something until the writer’s strike is over!!
I know some people are not mature enough at this girl’s age to handle transactions and just as someone else said…she’s desperate for the money and most likely can’t afford to get the horse home!! Kinda stuck between a rock and a hard spot…I’ve not always made the right decisions in my life!
I’m sincerely hoping it all works out…and if she needs us I’m sure she’s been told there is help available. One good thing about COTH QUEENs…we will help out!!
So holding my breath until the next segment…I need to get a Life!!
Ok, one more post and then I promise I’ll go run around the office building and subdue my rage. And I’m NOT pregnant. (I’m a natural-born b****!)
Maybe one of the reasons I blew my top is because I just went through this. Had 2 horses in NC and long story short, my daughter and I became concerned about them and realized we had to go get them just in case things weren’t kosher. Well, here’s what that kid did nonstop starting on a Saturday after she’d spend time in the anatomy lab: drove from Philly to Harrisburg to pick me up, I jumped in the car and we drove to Charlottesville VA to borrow a friend’s trailer (ours was out of commission), and immediately drove to NC. When we arrived (BO was nowhere to be found - I’d called and said we were coming to take the horses and I don’t think she wanted to meet us), we checked the condition of 3 other horses there that we knew were owned by friends of ours (1 was great, the other two were not so good), we loaded our 2 girls, turned around and drove back to VA, left the mares there at our friend’s farm, reported on the others we’d checked on, then without pause the kid drove me back to Harrisburg, slept for 2.5 hours on my sofa, then headed back to Philly BECAUSE SHE HAD A VET SCHOOL MIDTERM at 9:00AM MONDAY. She arrived in Philly at 8:15. I was at my desk in Harrisburg at 8:00.
I’m saying this not to wave my own flag but because I know most of you on this board would’ve done and probably HAVE done, just this thing because it was what the HORSES NEEDED.
They needed us, we were responsible for them, and it was the right thing to do. Our girls are now safe and happy.
