@Zirgs but that’s why the sexual predator has no protection from being listed in a neighborhood watch list and sexual offender registry. They don’t really get to just “come back” and live among us.
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Or that we acknowledge predatory nature in men, and place the onus on victims rather than victimizers.
As it goes, instead of teaching girls how not to get raped, let’s teach boys (and men) how not to rape.
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So OneGrayPony if someone reports you, and you are found exhonerated in the legal system, SafeSport can still ban you.
The legal system finds you not guilty under the standard of reasonable doubt.
The legal system does not exonerate anyone, or “find someone innocent” despite all the statements on the courthouse steps.
Also, the medical, legal and academic worlds can all strip licenses or ban participants who are not convicted in either criminal or civil court. Please explain why trainers and coaches in the horse world should be held to a different standard.
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Ummmm, OK. Let me get this straight because I want to make sure I get your point. You want sexual predators to be investigated. You want victims to have a voice. But you do not want SS to ban sexual predators, even though that is its mandate. You just want them to put an asterisk next to their names, I guess? The sexual predator asterisk? And you don’t want USEF to throw sexual predators out. Again with the asterisk thing, I guess? So no private organization can throw sexual predators out? They have to accept sexual predators into their groups and keep them? With an asterisk?
I think this is what you want but I’m not clear.
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Oh I don’t disagree that it’s a problem - but it’s one the local circuits already deal with. Having showed pretty extensively in ours as a kid, we knew who the baddies were, and the trailers with the skinny horses or the trainers who married their junior students after a dubious age of “getting together”. I suspect society will change and eventually it won’t just be the rated organizations that put bans in place - I just don’t think it will be new people into the local circuits “polluting it”. There will be pressure, I hope, from parents to not accept the behaviors.
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I agree - we should!!
But that hasn’t been the way our culture has been.
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My take: Stripping parents of their “rights to choose” sexual predators as trainers/mentors for their children feels like a good move.
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:lol:
It’s like, you think some things go without saying.
But we were all wrong.:mad::eek::no:
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And that is absolutely the deeply ingrained mind set we are fighting against right now.
ugh.
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I have read all 99 pages at this point, and still can’t wrap my head around the people trying to find a way to defend GM, but then I remember that the roots of our sport are in cavalry. I think that’s where the unquestioning loyalty comes from, first of all. I mean, all winter I ride through the woods dressed like a British officer from the 1700’s, and don’t come between me and that red coat! That’s not to excuse the victim shaming, or rationalizing the process, but maybe that is where it starts.
Also, when your trainer tells you to add more leg down to that big oxer, you HAVE to trust what they say-if you doubt, you fall off, or worse, the horse suffers. When it works, and you and your wonderful horse improve, you can’t wait for the next lesson. We have been doing this since Xenophon, and that’s powerful history.
Briefly, I rode with a former, very, very successful student of GM’s, with her own story of mistreatment-he threw dirt in her face, in a public setting. Why did she put up with it, I wanted to know. She told me she wanted what he could give her so badly, she put up with that, and much more. She didn’t tell her parents.
He has been taking advantage of our sport and love of horses for years. Good riddance to him-our sport can do without. If we make the barn a safe place, the horses will take care of the rest.
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What?
I am agreeing with you. I am not saying it is a defense - but not recognizing that it IS a shift ignores history. Why is it not ok to say that it is a change for people? That’s ridiculous.
dude, I’m agreeing with you.
when I said that, I meant that norm that blames victims. See the fool right below.
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And let’s teach the girls not to rape boys, get pregnant to trap them or make false allegations when they don’t get their way. Women are sexual predators too.
go to www.reddit.com/r/MensRights to read real horror stories on what women can do to men.
As far as I can remember, the Constitution does not address private clubs and organizations. This whole Constitution thing is a red herring.
In addition, even within our judicial system, there are two levels of proof - criminal and civil. Civil requires much less proof, not “beyond a reasonable doubt”. Just a slight preponderance of the evidence will work there.
GM has performed enough in front of cameras and written enough in his own words to get him banned by SS standards. Have you actually read the article under which he is banned? Forget molesting children; he has violated a couple of other provisions. The man is filth.
But by all means defend your choice to send your children to filth so that they can get a ribbon. I wouldn’t want to be your child though.
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ok, so you’re a bad person, we’ve established that. Just go back to where supporting pedophiles is normalized.
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Sorry for the misunderstanding - well I vehemently agree with you too :lol:
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:lol::lol:
:encouragement:
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But the people that SafeSport bans are not all on sexual offender registries. The ban is beyond predators. Go look for yourself how many on that list fall under any state or federal registry. It is a quick internet search. You can even call SafeSport and ask them yourself if all banned individulas have full legal convictions or have some settled in court in nocontest because the trial is too expensive, or are some banned based only on the statement in a report.
Again anyone can report @OneGrayPony for a sex offense. SafeSport will ban you based on their interpretation of the criminal offense and how much they believe the information in the report. Imagine you are innocent, and the law exhonerates any false claims against you, but you are still banned - how does that not bother you?
This is not about posting legal findings and holding those that are legally guilty accountable.
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My point was that abuse is clearly abuse and at all times many knew not to go there, even if others around them did.
Some cultures made some abuse tolerable in a way that those that didn’t agree could not say much except not to participate, but even then, abuse was clearly abuse and was never right in the eyes of any but abusers.
At least that is the way I see it, or everyone would have been abusing and abused, which they were not.
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New York just opened filing, one year, for any sex abuse case beyond the statute of limitations
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