George Morris on the SS list

[YankeeDuchess]

@Pennywell Bay

There is nothing sexual about horse riding clothes. No one, man woman or child should have to worry that their chosen, appropriate attire for the sport (or any attire) is too much for people to control themselves. In 2019. In the US. For the love of god we are further than that.

Tight clothes- yet somehow my husband and thousands of other red blooded heterosexual males do not feel the uncontrollable desire to molest women or children. Amazing.

The comment about sissy clothes and unwanted attention that keep heterosexual men away is just—— ludicrous.

You must be pen pen pals with Viney.

Attitudes like this are what is wrong wrong with society.

It isn’t what people wear, how they look or how they act that entices people to be abusers. It is the abusers fault. Full stop. End of story.

I think horse riding clothes are damn sexy. Not that that would in any way excuse rape, assault, or lewd comments. 

   To the dressage rider who wants show clothes to be updated, and says that the white breeches make us look like butlers:  we do not look like butlers, we look like 18th century European cavalry officers. Damn sexy. Have you not seen Poldark on PBS?

    There is some updating of dress in dressage, mostly involving vulgar displays of cheap rhinestones, which are apparently now called “crystals”. 

     Personally, I would like the dressage show outfit to be updated to permit wearing a sword, but only at the FEI level.

[vxf111]

@YankeeDuchess

There is some updating of dress in dressage, mostly involving vulgar displays of cheap rhinestones, which are apparently now called “crystals”.

I read this in a Captain Holt voice.

[dannyboy]

@BigMama1

But now there is so much more information about the length and depth of the investigation, as well as the process by which George was invited to respond to the accusations, that argumrnt had no merit either.

where are you seeing the new info? I haven’t heard anything. (but I’m usually out of the loop)

[smoofox]

@YankeeDuchess

There is some updating of dress in dressage, mostly involving vulgar displays of cheap rhinestones, which are apparently now called “crystals”.

But I like the vulgar crystals… she said in a small, unimportant voice……

[ladyj79]

@smoofox

But I like the vulgar crystals… she said in a small, unimportant voice……

I love crystals, said in a bold self-important voice :lol:

[anon6003733]

del

[Impractical_Horsewoman]

As a middle-aged woman who has ridden dressage, I can guarantee 100% that the least sexy garment in the world is a pair of white breeches on my ass.

All joking aside, the onus is never upon the victim to protect herself or himself. And all students, but riding students in particular, place a great deal of trust in their instructors. Including an instructor’s ability to protect their safety. Ultimately, at the end of the day, we need these protections so all students know that the advice instructors give is based upon the instructor’s judgement and professional expertise, versus a mind game to manipulate the student.

[anon40672407]

@Bogie

My son and daughter both rowed in high school. The rule was two deep adult supervision. No junior rower was allowed to be alone with a coach if there was not another adult at least in the building. That protects the coach as well as the rower.

Yeah, how the heck hard is that? Not hard at all.

I mean, perhaps we shouldn’t have to babysit adults with power differentials over children, but we’ve got 66 pages of commentary here. Supervision would be a whole lot easier!

[Capall]

So do we have a new COTH clique? The Cackling Yentas? PROUD CACKLING YENTA HERE! I stand up for victims, so therefore I am a cackling yenta!

[Figment]

As far as attire is concerned, good common sense is in order. Years ago when camisoles were “in”, I would not let my female students ride in them as there is a busy public street on one side of the arena. One of the moms complained “but it’s hot!” My response was “not allowed, just not a good idea”. Young, cute girls and boys in tight breeches and form-fitting shirts and cute belts are - cute. To certain folks, sexy. But really tight low- rise breeches and really tight tucked in shirts- maybe not the best idea. And tight tank tops for lessons or schooling, well kinda tacky.

[poltroon]

Cackling yenta has a wonderful ring to it. Also, gives us way more agency than smurfs. I approve.

[dannyboy]

My rule has always been breeches and boots (or 1/2 chaps nowadays) and polo shirts or shirts with a collar tucked in and no oversized sweaters. No sleeveless shirts - basically, just like in the show ring. It’s not that hard. I want them to wear gloves, too (and helmets, of course). My place, my rules.

[Denali6298]

@poltroon

Cackling yenta has a wonderful ring to it. Also, gives us way more agency than smurfs. I approve.

I agree! Proud to be a cackling yenta.

[ladyj79]

I mean, forbid items of clothing like camisols cause it’s legitimately not a great garment in the event of an accident.

Not because it’s “sexy” or “tacky” which are wildly subjective reasons.

[Russinka]

@Figment

As far as attire is concerned, good common sense is in order. Years ago when camisoles were “in”, I would not let my female students ride in them as there is a busy public street on one side of the arena. One of the moms complained “but it’s hot!” My response was “not allowed, just not a good idea”. Young, cute girls and boys in tight breeches and form-fitting shirts and cute belts are - cute. To certain folks, sexy. But really tight low- rise breeches and really tight tucked in shirts- maybe not the best idea. And tight tank tops for lessons or schooling, well kinda tacky.

Clothing is not an invitation. This is like saying she was wearing a short skirt so she was asking for it.

[Sharon]

Thank you Moderator 1

[2bayboys]

@Figment

As far as attire is concerned, good common sense is in order. Years ago when camisoles were “in”, I would not let my female students ride in them as there is a busy public street on one side of the arena. One of the moms complained “but it’s hot!” My response was “not allowed, just not a good idea”. Young, cute girls and boys in tight breeches and form-fitting shirts and cute belts are - cute. To certain folks, sexy. But really tight low- rise breeches and really tight tucked in shirts- maybe not the best idea. And tight tank tops for lessons or schooling, well kinda tacky.

Wow, I wonder how coaches in track or swimming are able to control themselves when their athletes wear practically nothing while training and competing.

Riders are athletes. They should be treated as such.

[Pennywell_Bay]

Our dress code at the barn is not because it is sexy, distracting or tempting. That is the last thing on our minds.

It is safety, professional and functional.

apparently- God forbid we expect people to conduct themselves without being Pavlovian Perverts if they have a glimpse of breasts or butts.

[BigMama1]

@YankeeDuchess

I think horse riding clothes are damn sexy. Not that that would in any way excuse rape, assault, or lewd comments.

To the dressage rider who wants show clothes to be updated, and says that the white breeches make us look like butlers: we do not look like butlers, we look like 18th century European cavalry officers. Damn sexy. Have you not seen Poldark on PBS?

There is some updating of dress in dressage, mostly involving vulgar displays of cheap rhinestones, which are apparently now called “crystals”.

Personally, I would like the dressage show outfit to be updated to permit wearing a sword, but only at the FEI level.

Swords would make it more interesting, that’s for sure!

[Peggy]

@BigMama1

Swords would make it more interesting, that’s for sure!

Especially in the warm up ring.