Thats a good way to teach a horse how to buck and rear. And he/she is turning him into a dangerous horse at no fault of his(the horses) own. That poor horse. I can’t tell what the trainer is trying to accomplish. The horse is moving forward with his head between his legs.
IMO, the person who brought the video to the public’s attention should get a medal. The VIDEO is PROOF. Proof that will stand up in a court of law.
If that person was the person who took the video, s/he should be applauded, not condemned.
The man (not) who stood by watching is also guilty, as are all the borders who see this going on on a daily basis in that barn… I just now had the guts to watch the video - that poor horse.
If there was not a public outcry from posting this video it could all be swept under the carpet, nice and clean. Very good reason to have it in the public eye, IMO.
The only thing that woman knows how to do is train a horse out of fear. They are prey to us in their eyes and beating one like that just makes it more true and puts fear into them not to do anything but shut down and go thru the motions. I’ve known trainers like this, maybe not to this extent, but to beat the horse down until it behaved. :no: This woman should never be able to go near another animal again. :mad:
And this is why sometimes I really hate people.
My heart is bleeding for that poor horse.
I’ll never begin to understand how people who call themselves “Equestrians”… whether they have horses as backyard pets or are “ex-top riders”…can treat a horse that they claim to have such a passion for like that… there’s no excuses WHAT SO EVER!
I’d like to see a psychiatric report on these people, because there has to be to be a common mentally unstable trait with people who treat animals that way…and whatever it is, that still doesnt make it right.
I can not think of a punishment to fit that crime, they all seem too easy and lienant.:mad:
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OMG my posts were not deleted when you posted that…trouble with the truth Melanthe? That post was deleted by the moderator along with others who brought up the wrong Christine, again if some had read what I actually wrote there would not have been a problem.[/QUOTE]
Note that I thanked the mod, so we can be sure that this post came after the deletions and that I have no problem with reality or truth.
As to the posts, why get mad at anyone? It makes sense to delete anything with the wrong name in it because of the danger of association in a situation like this and damage to an innocent person.
Can someone give a general gist of what is happening in the video? I mean, who are all of the people speaking and what are they saying?
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Note that I thanked the mod, so we can be sure that this post came after the deletions and that I have no problem with reality or truth.
As to the posts, why get mad at anyone? It makes sense to delete anything with the wrong name in it because of the danger of association in a situation like this and damage to an innocent person.[/QUOTE]
They had not deleted the post you were telling me to get a grip about they did delete after our exchanges…The moderator and I have pm’d about it and all is good I was upset because people don’t read, then they post saying something I never said…Sorry it drives me crazy…You are correct all references to the innocent should be removed especially since some can’t read what is actually written. God knows we don’t want to damage an innocent persons reputation…All is good
This whole thing is very disturbing. You can damn sure bet this wasn’t her first time to the rodeo. God only knows how many horses she abused. Who was the guy standing there watching… :eek:
I can’t bear to watch the video. Is there an update on the horse? Where he is at? Who is the owner?
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I, for one, cannot imagine just standing by and watching while something like this ocurred right in front of me! That guy in the video should be ashamed.[/QUOTE]
You’d be amazed. At my old barn, there was a hot tempered grand prix trainer who beat the crap out of her horse during one lesson. The horse had many welts. I didn’t see the incident, but I saw the welts afterwards. No one said a word while it happened. Not the top trainer giving the lesson or anyone else in the ring. My friend, a western rider, was coming in from trail riding and was the only one brave enough to go yell at the rider and the trainer. For doing that, the rider brandished her whip at my friend, telling her to mind her own business. Then she harassed my friend for about six months. Bad situation all around.
Poor horses that get in the hands of abusive nuts.
No ribbon, medal, trophy, accolades are worth the torture that poor horse had to endure… How can she sleep at night?
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You’d be amazed. At my old barn, there was a hot tempered grand prix trainer who beat the crap out of her horse during one lesson. The horse had many welts. I didn’t see the incident, but I saw the welts afterwards. No one said a word while it happened. Not the top trainer giving the lesson or anyone else in the ring. My friend, a western rider, was coming in from trail riding and was the only one brave enough to go yell at the rider and the trainer. For doing that, the rider brandished her whip at my friend, telling her to mind her own business. Then she harassed my friend for about six months. Bad situation all around.
Poor horses that get in the hands of abusive nuts.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, I think many of us see ‘small’ abuses and are afraid to jump in for that very reason… but the problem is that if we are seeing small abuses, then there are probably worse ones going on that we’re not seeing. To my shame, I let it go once because I was intimidated by the person, and lost so much sleep over it that I promised myself, and more importantly, my horses, that I would never, ever, let it go again. Part of the problem is that most abusive people are agressive and intimidating to those of us who are more tender hearted or timid, and additionally, we’ve all been trained since childhood to avoid unpleasant confrontations, so we end up frozen in horror when we witness abuse. It takes a lot of self talk and determinitaion to train ourselves to step in. Now… I step in, whether anyone thinks its my business or not, and if anyone has a problem with that at the barn… I will move on and be sure to tell anyone I know what I encountered there.
It’s horrible!!!
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If there was not a public outcry from posting this video it could all be swept under the carpet, nice and clean. Very good reason to have it in the public eye, IMO.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately you are right. We have a couple of pro riders who train horses like that and everybody knows that they have a “very heavy hand” with their horses. A couple of people do train with them, but majority avoid them. The problem is that they are FEI riders and can be very condescending/rude to anybody who will question their training ways. They can train their horses up and how they train works for them - so they keep on doing that. Nobody videotaped them yet, but many saw it happen and they got thrown out from several barns already. But they keep on finding people who don’t really know much about dressage and telling them that this is what dressage is: reward when horse is good and punishment if their horse is behaving bad. That they will stop hitting their horses as soon as their horse will stop bucking/rearing and such… they just blame it on horses, not themselves.
It’s a horrible situation and I think it’s very important to see those kinds of videos and to know that this kind of training is NEVER OK, no matter how smart and convincing the FEI trainer’s explanation for this training is. I wish there was a way to sanction them to take anger management classes as well.
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Now… I step in, whether anyone thinks its my business or not, and if anyone has a problem with that at the barn… I will move on and be sure to tell anyone I know what I encountered there.[/QUOTE]
I think this is fabulous. I distinctly remember as a younger rider, watching Lynn Little step in and chastise another young-ish woman for dismounting her horse and continuing to whip her.
This video is just horrendous. I seriously think the abuser must have some sort of mental instability, diagnosed or not. To lose all sense of compassion like that is reprehensible.
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I’d love to know what is accomplished by posting this type of video. [/QUOTE]
I agree. What’s the point.
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Unfortunately, I think many of us see ‘small’ abuses and are afraid to jump in for that very reason… but the problem is that if we are seeing small abuses, then there are probably worse ones going on that we’re not seeing. Part of the problem is that most abusive people are agressive and intimidating… [/QUOTE]
Yes, true. I spoke up once to a groom, and asked him to stop. He works for a h/j trainer at the barn where I ride. Because of what the groom was doing, the horse was moments away from severly injuring himself as he tried to get away from the groom . The groom told me to mind my own business, he knows his job, and “horses are food”. Another groom who was nearby was laughing.
I brought it up to one of the trainers. She said that they all see things going on (poor horsemanship from the grooms) but no one says anything to the trainers who hire the grooms, because of the possibility of retribution by the grooms against their horses, or those of their clients.
Bottom line, they’ll correct their own grooms, but not someone elses. They aren’t willing to risk having their horses hurt.
She should never be allowed near a horse again. Why that horse did not kick her to death just goes to show you how kind and generously natured horses are. I am sick, just sick. I just can’t believe it and I could only stand to watch 30 seconds of the video!
You don’t keep the names out of the public forum to ‘protect the person’.
You keep the names out of the public forum so the person’s lawyers can not claim the case, jury or other processes have been tainted in some way, and then have her walk.
When you put it out on a public forum, you just up the chances of the case being dropped on some clever technicality.
That’s why you don’t do it.
