German Riding Ponies-Stallions, market, etc.

[hluing]

Hello,
I know past threads have addressed this, but as breeding season creeps closer (and my # of broodmares increases)…I wanted to see if there was any new information available.
Here are my questions.

1. German Riding Pony Stallions available.
   I know of Makuba, the three boys of Nancy Ferebee’s (Ga), and the two at Highlife Farm (Fl). I also recall of hearing of one or two that are Welsh breeding but imported from Germany. Any new guys out there? I have heard rumors of one in Va and one in Tx?

2. Breeders who are breeding GRP. Who are you, what are your breeding goals, what registries are you using, how have you found the market?

Thanks in advance.
Heather

[Tiki]

The picture came up right away for me on that link. Here’s what they say about him:

Imported German Pony Stallion, Black Bay Section D Welsh Cob 1993 Stallion 14 1 1/2 Hands
Licensed and Inspected by The German Hanoverian Pony Verband Stallion Tested in Germany

[Lesley_Feakins]

Yes, Linda, I believe she was. I got such a thrill out of presenting her last year…when you hear the audience gasp and cheer and applaud and that was even before her scores where read out…it was such a proud moment and the best thing is she went to a wonderful home with lovely people.

[ise]

sorry I meant pony STALLIONS

[Lesley_Feakins]

Here is a better one of her, at least you can see more of her This filly from the day she was born had incredable spring and suspension…loved to jump and should make a pretty awesome dressage pony.

[nwalk]

For the US sport pony breeders, here is another question. Have any of you used Caspian stallions in your program? A friend of mine (who stands 2 Welsh pony stallions and 2 warmblood stallions and is a neighbor) is trying to purchase a Caspian stallion prospect, and so I started looking into them to cross on my warmblood mare. They seem to be more refined than some of the other pony breeds - actually look like little horses rather than ponies. But it does not appear that the Germans or the Dutch use them in their sport pony breeding program. I wonder why not. Any comments on this breed and if they are an option in producing sport ponies?

[Tiki]

We already have the ASPR. It is still young, and I have criticized the parent organization in the past, but they really seem to be cleaning up their act and producing some good stuff!

[Oakstable]

So what kind of prices are we talking about? Broke? Unbroke?

And is there a pony size that is too big and falls through the cracks?

Sally

[ise]

O>K> so I had it backwards on the Pony classes.

[Rainbow_Farm_Unltd]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I hate to nitpick, but the omission of one little word seems to confuse folks in this particular topic. Since Kentchurch Chime (Welsh Section D) competed at GP, he was allowed to compete at FEI levels with an adult, however, he would NOT be able to compete at the Pony FEI level with an ADULT rider. To further confuse matters, being pony sized would prohibit you from competing at the “true” FEI levels at a CDI, but most folks don’t have to worry about that. This is where a lot of people get the misconception that ponies cannot compete at the FEI levels, which I’ve often heard, and it really needs to be clarified… <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, nitpick away, it’s how we learn We had this discussion on a pony list, and Mary Alice (I think) said Chime couldn’t compete in horse FEI classes, because he is 14.1h, and therefore under horse size and legally a pony. I know he can’t compete in pony FEI with an adult, but I was under the impression that horses competing in regular FEI classes must be over 14.2h in height. Glad this came up, as it obviously needs more clarification. TIA

[Rainbow_Farm_Unltd]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Do ANY kids jump even at 3’6" here, nevermind 4’6"??? Any of you hunter or jumper people know??? I believe the pony jumper division is just getting restarted here in this country. It seems a shame to bring over a qualified 4’6" pony jumper and dumb him down to 2’6" - 3", but I know that a lot of adults do that with horses. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Further, stallions are NOT allowed in pony jumpers in the U.S., so it doesn’t matter how high they jump, pony jumpers is not how one can promote a stallion. imho European riding programs for kids are so far ahead of us here in the U.S., we don’t have near the talent or the trainers or the support from USEF, so we don’t have the more difficult divisions.

[Rainbow_Farm_Unltd]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ise@ssl:
Nancy - the issue is we don’t have a complete Pony Dressage division and in this country only adults can ride pony stallions - big difference from Europe. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Last year I asked the USDF if kids could ride stallions in dressage, and they said there was no rule against it. I haven’t pursued this to USEF, so my question is: are you sure, Ilona, that only adults can ride pony stallions in dressage? I guess I need to check into USEF rules - SO much stuff in there!! I was also curious whether there would be an age limit for kids riding stallions in dressage, like how young? I have a talented pony jockey who is tiny and 9 now. I’d love her to be able to show Braveheart once he’s solid. I expect she’d be 11 at least by the time we got it together.

[Sportpony]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hluing: I would also love to hear about people who crossed small warmblood mares woth ponies. I have a 15.1hh Trak mare I am stallion shopping for. Thanks <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have several small warmblood mares I’ve bred for sportpony foals, breeding to my 13.2 hand Connemara stallion. I have produced five from this stallion and warmblood mares so far, the latest is from a 15.1 hand 3/4 warmblood mare and I have photos of him up (hope the link works as I am completely technologically incompetent) on a Webshots album.

http://community.webshots.com/album/206278668TrweWP

I will be breeding two of these mares to smaller stallions this year, hoping for a little less risk of going oversize. One will be bred to a half-Welsh cremello pinto stallion I leased and the other to the Caspian Pony stallion I stand for the owner. But I will continue to use the 13.2 hand Connemara as well.

[Rainbow_Farm_Unltd]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Mary Lou wrote: I have learned in my Hanoverian breeding that the mare is the base on which all is built. Where does one find such mares that would be a truly valuable basis for a German Riding Pony breeding program here? Do already established breeders have fillies for sale, or is this a program that is still so young that breeders hang onto the fillies for themselves? Inquiring minds want to know. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mary Lou, this is why I purchased 2 very small, very talented Welsh stallions: so I could utilize the mares already in my wb breeding program. One of my tb mares produced a colt by my 12h Section B stallion, Telynau Braveheart, who was American Sportpony Registry National Foal Futurity Reserve Champion and Grand Champion Half Welsh at the Welsh Central Nationals. He is a spectacular example of a sport pony, will stay pony, and his new owner is keeping him a stallion prospect. This is the stallion that I have bred to my best TB broodmare (Dr. Blum/Stop The Music) and my infamous, 100% Premium OldNA producing Dutch mare (Vosmaer/Saluut). I have been doing this for a few years now have 3 fillies and 2 proven mares available.

[Rainbow_Farm_Unltd]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ise@ssl:
But I thought in the Pony Dressage classes stallions can only be ridden by adults - is that not true? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

FEI pony classes must be ridden by children, and the USDF specifically told me they have no rule about children not being able to ride stallions - pony or otherwise. And I know there are many successful pony stallions in FEI pony dressage in Europe. I asked about regular dressage shows because of the child I mentioned above. I have not checked with USEF to see if children can ride stallions in dressage or eventing.

[hluing]

Anyone have thier COTH issue (stallion ed)and can figure out which black pony that is. Possible Bodyguard at Highlife Farm?

[Tiki]

Oh my, I, too, have drooled over Jennifer for a while, but I’m trying to SELL horses, not BUY horses!!

[mrd]

Sue Mesa of Branstock Farm in Berryville, VA has/(had?) a German Riding Pony stallion by the name of Bocksbuehl Brondo. He is still on their website, but no picture comes up for me.
www.Branstockfarm.com

[Tiki]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>but I just WONDER on the RATED CIRCUIT how adults on sizes under 15.2 will get scored.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Just ask Lendon Gray who is/was one of the top riders in the country, on international teams, was in the Seoul Olympics and rode several honies at 14.3h to about 15.2h. I think she would tell you that she did very well at ‘recognized shows’ (what the dressagers and jumpers call them). If by ‘rated circuit’ you mean hunters, then I have no idea.

~K, do you really consider ponies/horses going for $2500 - $10,000 expensive? or am I misinterpreting something you said. To me, those are pony club/4H prices, not traditional show pony prices. I don’t know a lot about hunter ponies, except that I do know that they can go for anywhere from $100,000 to $500,000. Now THAT’S what I’D call expensive!!!

[hluing]

Does anyone else have pics to share? Jennifer and her foal are beautiful.
Heather