<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tiki:
Oh my, I, too, have drooled over Jennifer for a while, but I’m trying to SELL horses, not BUY horses!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I knew I was doing something wrong!
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I’m so confused as to what a German Riding Pony really is, can someone clarify? Is it a breed? or a type? Is there a registry in Germany? Do they have a closed studbook?
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Hi Meghan. I wrote an article, which is in the Articles section of Ponyworld.net called “What Is A Sport Pony?”. It’s a very brief history of the European Riding Pony, starting with its inception in the 50’s. Like the warmblood horses, the Riding Ponies, or Reitpony, are registered with the registry of it’s region, so you have Hanoverian, Weser-Ems, Dutch and several others. My article also has a couple of informative links. It’s very brief 
http://www.ponyworld.net/sportponyarticle.htm
Thanks for the info. I just purchased a 4 yo GRP for myself by Dolman, who I absolutly am crazy about. I can see that these guys are quite addictive! Now I am thinking of breeding my Trak mare to a GRP but I was a little concerned about registration. My mare is inspected and in the Main Trak Mare book, would I have to have her inspected again to have her foals registered with ISR or ASPR? Also, at 15.3 it is most likely that a foal from her would go over size, however, for myself I really wouldent mind since my size preference would be around 15 h but if I decided to resell I am wondering if it would be an issue. It is interesting that my current GRP has Trak in his backround!
Kareen,
Thanks much for that information. Are you sure the pony would have to be a partbred?
Here is another purebred Welsh Cob, Sect. D that is also being listed as “Licensed and Inspected by the German Hanoverian Pony Verband” and as a “Licensed German Riding Pony”:
I’m so confused as to what a German Riding Pony really is, can someone clarify? Is it a breed? or a type? Is there a registry in Germany? Do they have a closed studbook?
For the driving part of the performance test for ASPR, we had to do a Preliminary Level dressage test. The Prelim tests have, walk, free walk, working trot and lengthen trot. My stallion had literally just started driving at the time, and while he was approved easily, I wish that I had waited. I believe now he would have scored much much better.
My pony stallion is Section B Welsh, a big boned 14.0 hands. I am pretty excited about him- he won the dressage phase at most of our shows this year. He’s so wonderful, easy to handle and moves the best. If all goes well, we will be showing in the FEI division (driving) this year.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by benno:
Leah, I goofed (creeping senility 
). I was remembering the initial ISR inspection with the walk, trot, canter under saddle. The ASPR did not require any under saddle/driving for the initial license. As I recall ASPR does require a performance test of some sort, but I thought it could be done at the inspection itself. If you do find out the specific requirements and levels for dressage, jumping, driving, etc, could you post them here? Also, if they need to actually compete and place with certain scores, do more than one discipline, etc?
I apologize again for the misinformation. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was informed by the ASPR office that, “The Performance Test in Dressage consists of a minimum of Level One Test 2 Dressage Test.” They went on to say that this minimum is for young ponies. Older ponies are expected to perform at appropriately higher levels. You would have to contact them regarding a particular pony and his age, etc.
I’m sure Meghan can give more info on the requirements for driven ponies.
I agree Sportpony. I puchased my young GRP and am planning on breeding my mare to a GRP because I see so many adults riding that just arent having any fun anymore and I felt myself falling into the same trap. I wanted something that would have the talent that I need but still have the great brain and the trainability. Of course there are full sized warmbloods that have great minds but at a very petite 5’1 the ponies have a great ease to them that I love. Since bringing in my new guy, everyone in the barn (of about 50 horses) is just amazed with him and how easy going he is and how well he moves. I think that there is going to be an increasing market for sport ponies once people get more exposure to them and see that they do indeed have the talent of their larger counterparts.
Edited to say - Sportpony, I sent you a PT
I’m going to jump right in here 
we have a total of 7 Sport Pony foals expected this year of our own.
Last year we had 6 foals and all but one of them sold. Three were sold in utero.
Mostly we work with the ISR with their Sport Pony Divison but our breeders work with the ISR, ASPR and the RSPI. This year we had our top scoring Forrest Flame filly score 8.6 with the ISR and we just heard that one of our breeders came in 3rd in the ASPR Foal Futurity with their Wicked Courtjester colt and another in Canada, also a colt by Forrest Flame received Reserve Champion. A Wicked Courtjester colt, owned and bred by Teresa Schmehl won the ISR sport pony class at DAD this past year with a 74%…can you tell I’m thrilled 
Of course I’m delighted when we do well with our babies but can’t tell you how thrilled I am when our breeders are having success.
As far as the market goes…I would say as long as the quality is there I think there is a fairly strong market. What I can guarantee is that you or anyone else breeding these ponies will have enormous fun doing it 
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tiki:
Leah, don’t keep me in suspense!!! I want to see a picture of Here Be Madame!!! … <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hi Tiki!
I don’t have any good pics yet…she’s still in MI right now, but everything goes as planned, she’ll be here, by the end of the month. Will plan on taking lots of pics then!
I think USDF show organizers can offer “classes” as they choose. And I love the organizers that are trying to help bring along pony riding by offering “Pony Test of Choice” classes, etc. which limit the classes to ponies, but can be ridden by anyone, any size, any age, any skill level. The only “official” pony classes that I know of are the FEI Pony Dressage Tests, officially only ridden by children through 16 years old. In those classes, and in fact, in any USDF class, children can ride stallions. So stallions can compete in the official pony classes, it’s the adults who can’t!
The foals from my mares out of Oliver Twist will not be eligible for ISR PAPERS because I don’t think Olie has the performance for me to get a breeding certificate (both the mares are Main Mare book ISR PONY) but I’ll email you about what he has done. But they would be eligible for 1/2 Welsh and Welsh B respectively papers - which would make them eligible for presentation as stallions or mares for approval in the future.
So, to be breeding these types of ponies, what types/sizes should the mares be? Is it better to have a “medium” mare to breed to the “large” stallions? What do you breed to if you have a “large” mare…perhaps one of those 14.3 wobblers and you don’t want to “go Welsh”? Do they have medium sized GRP stallions as well, or are only the larges popular? (hoping this makes sense) 
IT does sound like we could be breeding a whole 'lot of honies!
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nwalk:
For the US sport pony breeders, here is another question. Have any of you used Caspian stallions in your program? A friend of mine (who stands 2 Welsh pony stallions and 2 warmblood stallions and is a neighbor) is trying to purchase a Caspian stallion prospect, and so I started looking into them to cross on my warmblood mare. They seem to be more refined than some of the other pony breeds - actually look like little horses rather than ponies. But it does not appear that the Germans or the Dutch use them in their sport pony breeding program. I wonder why not. Any comments on this breed and if they are an option in producing sport ponies? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I can probably give you a bit more of a definitive answer in another year or two. I stand a Caspian Pony stallion for the owner and plan to breed him to one or two of my part warmblood mares. The ones I’ve seen appear to look like and move like very small TBs or Anglo-Arabs. Since this works for the warmblood crosses for the big horses, it would seem likely to work for the sportponies as well.
The Caspian stallion will keep the foal size at 14.2 and under and produce more refinement while the warmblood mares should provide the bigger warmblood movement and more bone and substance. The end result, hopefully, will be pony sized offspring that are bigger and more substantial than the sire, but retain some of the bone and substance of the dams and the warmblood movement.
They are lovely little ponies and very athletic, very trainable. If they are used like you would use an Anglo-Arab or TB in a sporthorse/warmblood breeding program, adjusting only for size issues, in theory it should work well.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pwynnnorman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Betty is still in Florida and doing well and I am supposed to see her tomorrow night.
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Oh, that’s good. Am I right that she was one of the first to import BRP stallions? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, actualy Betty personaly never imported any of her stallions. All of her BRP stallions (and mares) were imported by Barbara Camp, who started breeding the Glenmore ponies. Betty obtained the Glenmores from Mrs. Camp when she retired.
Mrs. Camp, however, was one of the first to import BRP stallions to the US. Her first came over in the early 1970s. I know she imported Coed Coch Grey Cloud around 1973.
I have the 3 German Riding Pony stallions that Heather referred to in her original post. They have had a busy year, each in his own way depending on their age and “credentialing” requirements.
Benno’s Dream was imported from Germany already licensed and approved (the licensing being the initial screening for quality as a 3 year old, the final approval based on the completion of the 30 day pony stallion performance test in Germany as a 4 year old). FS Daily Hero was imported as a 3 year old, already licensed in Germany but to young to be approved. He just completed the 30 day pony stallion performance test here in the United States as a 5 year old (the test is held every other year). Chico was imported as a one year old, so he is a registered German Riding Pony because of his pedigree - both parents are German Riding Ponies.
I think the difference between German Riding Ponies as a breed and the registry options for sportponies in general (regardless of breed/pedigree) here in the United States creates some interesting discussions. Right now, the ISR and the ASPR inspect and register ponies for inclusion in their registries. The ISR models their criteria on the German Riding Pony breed standard, but inspects other breeds that meet their criteria. There are very few approved stallions in that registry and the registry requires completion of the 30 day performance test for a Lifetime Breeding License. The ASPR is more inclusive and has more approved stallions and does not require the 30 day test. I have heard that the Weser-Ems pony registry, as part of the GOV, is inspecting ponies, but I don’t know their criteria in this country. In Germany, inclusion in the Weser-Ems registry for a foal is based on having a German Riding Pony registry approved dam and sire and being born in the Weser-Ems region. Stallion approvals are based on the licensing and final approvals. Mares are inspected and can complete a mare performance test. I don’t know if Weser-Ems is registering ponies as a breed in this country or are creating another sportpony registry here.
Given the 6,000 plus hits on the 100-day test thread on this forum, the issues of registry and inspection are obviously a hot topic as far as horse-size breeders are concerned and I bet it will become a hot topic for pony breeders as we wrestle with issues of what a sportpony is and how quality controls are developed.
But I thought in the Pony Dressage classes stallions can only be ridden by adults - is that not true?
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rainbow Farm Unltd.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>ou know, the “adults to ride” approach and market is a great one, but do you folks think that message is getting out there that much? For example, on the AWSPR (or one of those registries) site, the standards for the sportpony still emphasize “kids to ride”. Maybe that wording (and hence that apparent emphasis) needs to be changed/updated? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I disagree. We are breeding ponies for kids ultimately. If I have fun with mine while getting them broke and solid, well so much the better, or if a smaller woman buys one, great! But even FEI ponies are ridden by children, so I think we need to keep that focus as the ultimate goal. Someone said something about temperament being the most important thing, and they are right in my book! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don’t see any conflict here, except possibly in the minds of potential buyers … the adults looking for a smaller mount or parents looking for their children.
Perhaps the parents are more concerned about “kid rideability” and adults are more ego-driven … something suitable for a “kid” isn’t competitive enough for them.
But in my case … with advancing age, slower reflexes and all the other things I have to consider now … I WANT something that would be suitable for a child rider.
I don’t have anything to prove anymore. I want smaller plus sane, sensible, trainable and “easy” …
So “suitable for children” appeals to me a lot.
I found this thread interesting - esp since I have been spending a great deal of time researching what I want to start buying in the way of breeding stock (a stallion and a few mares).
I have no idea what the American Sport Pony ‘ideal type’ is supposed to be - because to me a ‘speciality’ driving animal, dressage animal, and eventer must have very different qualities. I have not looked up AMerican Sport Pony info in quite a while - have they gotten a more defined criteria?
I went to an A hunter show in Raleigh a few weeks back, and low and behold I saw a small ‘welshy type’ pony - with an aspr brand on its butt. To me this pony was VERY HUNTER in type and movement.
I am EXTREMELY fond of the ‘look’ of DEL’s aussie ponies (Ascot Stud). I have been studying their type for about 6 months now. They have fascinated me in type and looks. Exqusite!!!
From the pictures they do seem lighter in bone, but they seem VERY correct (vs weak). They look very athletic - very ‘cat like’.
BUT I will say - based on how she said that the aussie pony was a SHOW pony (hack and hunter I believe she said) - I know that is not the hunter type here in the USA. Our hunter ponies are supposed to go wither/poll level, nose poking out and certainly not any sort of knee or hock action (daisy cutters). As Pwynn said - seems our hunter crowd over here wants QH type flat not active, non reactive type ponies for the hunters.
Couldn’t imagine kids on 12 Handers in double bridles in the hunter arenas here! LOL
What is the suspension like on the ‘typical’ aussie riding pony???
My starter stallion is an Arab that I have bred to a few ‘heavier’ pony mares - and I have a very nice arab mare that I am cross breeding to other breeds/types. Though I plan to replace my stallion (with possibly a welsh), I like the half arab offspring, and think I’d even like a 1/4 arab type cross back to either Welsh or TB depending on what you had to start with - so thats where I think I am going to go with my breeding program.
And I am beginning to really want to stay associated with a breed registry as an extra measure of something for my offspring to fall back on. I just worry that the ‘sport pony’ movement may just fizzle out 
I like the Arab / Welsh cross - which would keep with a 1/2 hoof in two registries in the mean while. A dash of TB here and there would ad too the mix nicely.
I certainly hope the ‘other than hunter pony’ markets open up in this country to support our breeding endeavours.
It would be great if BOTH disciplines opened up PONY divisions for adults (I know several women who are 5’2" and really realistically fit on 14 .2 hand animals!!!).
There is no shame in recognizing those ADULT riders who do not have Olympic aspirations and really do enjoy riding the smaller equine - and giving them realistic classes to perform in.
Oh Lesley, now my keyboard is all wet from drooling on it. He looks JUST like him mom.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ise@ssl:
…We also have a coming 2 yo 3/4 welsh 1/4TB filly by BF Oliver Twist who will finish medium and we are hoping to breed her to Daily Hero.
The ISR & WELSH mare are in foal to Oliver Twist for May 2005 foals. Hoping for at least one palomino filly!! Both mares are chestnut.
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Ilona,
I think I’m almost as excited about your '05 foals, as my own!
If you wouldn’t mind…are there options for these foals to (eventually) be approved as ISR breeding stock? I get a little confused with the qualifications, as Section A’s and D’s seem to be excluded, while Section B’s and C’s are allowed, yet many B’s and C’s have A and D blood in them. Thanks Much and please keep us posted when those babies come!
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