FWIW, Drumtop was the dam of Drums of Time who was one of very few stallions to have multiple starters at Burghley and/or Badminton in the same year.
VERY nice pedigree!
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Not german tb bloodlines but old bloodline with staminia --the mare below is on the free broodmare lease thread-- she has an amazing pedigree you do not find anymore.
Her pedigree is here http://www.pedigreequery.com/iolar+na+mara
(She has worden and percipitation on the page and he great grass mare drumtop in the second generation)[/QUOTE]
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10496259
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FWIW, Drumtop was the dam of Drums of Time who was one of very few stallions to have multiple starters at Burghley and/or Badminton in the same year.[/QUOTE]
For example Boomerang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang_(horse)
http://www.carololopezquesada.com/Reportajes_SANGREPURA.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krv3Eu9L8zk
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/boomerang
Jet Run:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipmsWX_83ik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxEh1Sl7zLs
Merano:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10217454
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltWIONvOh1s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Successful_ISH_Showjumpers
https://www.google.nl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4MERD_nlNL503NL503&q=Rodrigo+Pessoa+Loro+Piana+TomBoy+#q=Rodrigo+Pessoa+Loro+Piana+TomBoy&hl=nl&tbm=vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzw8q4PZseY
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=John+Whitaker+Ryans+Son+
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Graziano+Mancinelli+Ambassador+
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Piero+D'Inzeo+The+Rock+
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+Joseph+Fargis+Mill+Pearl+
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?135002-Discuss-Halla-please-1950-s-show-jumper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQKu0ikGero
https://www.google.nl/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=hts&oq=&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4MERD_nlNL503NL503&q=Pierre+Jonquères+d'Oriola+on+Pomone+B#q=Pierre+Jonquères+d'Oriola+on+Pomone+B&hl=nl&tbm=vid
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pomone+b
Thoroughbred showjumpers, some with a video:
http://www.sportundzucht.de/legenden-springsport.html
Smoke Free was discussed in this German topic:
http://www.horse-gate-forum.com/showthread.php?72419-XX-Stute-Grand-Prix-Jumper
Elles, I appreciate your contributions to this thread, but I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. Are these examples of American TB bloodlines in European jumpers? Please clarify.
Also, does anyone know how to view the foreign-language pages in English? I figure there’s probably a way to do it on this end, but I just don’t know how, being a little technologically slow…
What I am trying to show is that a good sport horse thoroughbred does not really depend on racing distance as racing distance also depends on training. Also there are enough examples of good sporthorses bred out of TB lines that seemed to be speed lines. There are lines that are considered stamina lines that also show(ed) lots of speed and the other way around. What I am trying to say is that a good sport horse TB can as well come from America, New Zealand, Ireland, Germany, austalia, France, the UK, etc.
I think lots of good TB’s go unnoticed because they are never being tried. Although from some TB’s or TB lines there have not been a lot of good performer but there have been coming lots and lots of good performers from TB lines in general.
Most things with regard to TB’s in sport horse breeding and performances depend on what people do and decide and not so much on the TB horses themselves. We have to give the horses chances to prove themselves in a unbiased way. The horses cannot do that for us.
Sorry, I am not in a position to translate everything. Not because I cannot read German but because I simply do not have the time.
http://www.horse-gate-forum.com/showthread.php?72843-Was-ist-Zuchtfortschritt-beim-Einsatz-von-Vollblut
The title of the topic means:
What is progress in breeding when using Thoroughbred?
The topic contains a number of examples of German TB lines used in sport horse breeding.
http://www.sportundzucht.de/steher-fuer-die-wbz.html
Ist der Steher wirklich der ideale Vollbluttyp für die Warmblutzucht?
Means: is the stayer really the ideal type of TB for warmblood breeding?
Der adäquate Gegenvorschlag zum Steher lautet deswegen Meiler mit Speed. Die Pferde sind auf mittleren Distanzen erfolgreich und überzeugen im Vergleich zu den Stehern mit einer deutlich höheren Beschleunigung. Die Fähigkeit des Meilers vor dem Ziel noch einmal deutlich zu beschleunigen und die letzten Reserven zu nutzen ist schließlich das, wonach der Warmblutzüchter sucht.
Adequate counter-proposal to the stayer is miler with speed. The horses are successful at middle distances and convince compared to the stayers with a higher acceleration. Significantly the ability of the miler to accelerate before the finish line, to really go and use the last reserves is what Warmblood breeders are in fact looking for.
I could translate short pieces of text for you Zipperfoot. Is there anything in particular that you would like to have translated?
http://www.hippomundo.be/competitions/index/39215
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10210062
http://www.hippomundo.com/competitions/index/39560
http://www.hippomundo.com/horses/info/index/39560/m
https://www.google.nl/search?q=reindeer+amistad+showjumping&hl=nl&rlz=1T4MERD_nlNL503NL503&biw=1600&bih=698&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=1Ja7VJe9Fob3O6aIgKgB&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&dpr=1#q=dunstan+daffodil&hl=nl&tbm=vid
http://www.horsetelex.nl/horses/pedigree/648691
http://www.hippomundo.com/competitions/index/70242
Good sporthorses have come from bloodlines that are linked to all types of distances:
http://www.chef-de-race.com/dosage/chefs-de-race/chefs_by_group.htm
https://www.google.nl/search?q=Esquire+Esteban+xx+hengst&hl=nl&rlz=1T4MERD_nlNL503NL503&biw=1600&bih=698&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=V6q7VJaZBcn2OoCygYgF&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&dpr=1#q=david+broome+philco&hl=nl&tbm=vid
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10415424
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=mister+law&x=31&y=11
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10909823
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=649976
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10216988
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10217950
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10197859
http://www.sportundzucht.de/selektion-vb-hengste.html
Nutzen wir die richtigen Vollbluthengste in der Warmblutzucht?
Means:
Do we use the right Thoroughbred stallions in warmblood breeding?
http://www.horse-gate-forum.com/showthread.php?72843-Was-ist-Zuchtfortschritt-beim-Einsatz-von-Vollblut/page16
Der Rückgang der Holsteiner Dominanz im Springsport korreliert wunderbar mit der nichtmehrnutzung von VB in Holstein.
The decline of the Holsteiner dominance in jumping wonderfully correlates with the longer disuse of TB in Holstein.
Docs Hickory is one of the best cutting horse sires. If you look at his pedigree you can see that he had a high TB%. Cutting horses have to be very athletic and have to have very good reflexes. Is that not what we look for in sporthorses? It looks like the TB horse gave the QH a lot of it’s athletic abilities. But nowadays the TB is deemed no longer suitable for showjumping because the courses have become too technical.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/docs+hickory
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/chickasha+mike
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/billy+sunday
http://www.personal.psu.edu/staff/p/j/pjh10/QLF/docshickory.html
http://www.qhd.com/horse/stallion.asp?id=948
http://datab.us/Search/Popular%2BCutting%2Band%2BHorse%2Bvideos%2BPlayListIDPLj8qsxz7ZRvECiID0KnnQcsbk1f-3Q66m
Of course what we do not want in a sporthorse is a downhill conformation.
