GM is nothing but a bully.

The rider who may have taken a hit to her self-esteem when called a “dumbbell” would certainly have received a proportionately larger boost to her self-esteem if she later rode the exercise correctly and received verbal praise from George.

Self-esteem is not ‘taught’. A child develops it by trying things and succeeding at them. If a child tries something, doesn’t succeed at it but is told that they have whatever feelings of esteem they develop are false. That’s what I see so often these days with young riders who don’t work their own horses, who only get on the prepared pony/horse, jump the jumps and collect the ribbons. They have the mistaken idea they’ve actually earned the ribbons, when true credit is due the barn team and trainer. They actually think they can ride, when what they can actually do is pilot. Those who sign up to clinic with George, or any other big name clinician get what they put into it. If that means they don’t pay attention, wander around, don’t try to complete the exercise, then they’ll get out of it what they put in - nothing. But those students who show up ready to learn, try their best, and make no excuses for themselves will get so much more from their clinician. And they will have a good sense of self-esteem to bring to their adult careers in the real world. Because you know what? In the real world, your boss might call you a dumbbell, or he could just say, “You’re FIRED!”

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While GM may, IMO, do a lot of things that could be deemed questionable and rude, he makes no secret of being strict and very to the point! I have ridden with several trainers who have been verbally curt (and often edged on being downright mean), but those trainers consistently get good results for both horse and rider. If they do not produce, you (and the rest of the riding community) can simply choose not to participate. Easy. I personally would not stand being insulted and ridiculed by a person whose knowledge could not bring out the best in me and my horse. I feel that most rude statements seem to be generally born out of frustration on the part of the clinician. If someone came to you and paid good money for you to teach them and then proceeded to not accept the advise nor to execute the commands, then that puts ones professional reputation on the line. To have those people walk away and say “well I didn’t get much out of that clinic” can really tarnish the reputation of any instructor. Sometimes, some people need to be figuratively beaten over the head in order to put out a little effort! That being said, it does not make verbal assaults warranted or necessary. But with GM, there is no doubt that it may happen. Your choice. If only it were a perfect world…[/QUOTE]

In Randy Pausch’s book “The Last Lecture,” he writes about fulfilling his childhood dreams, one of which was playing in the NFL. Now that was one he never fulfilled literally, but he played for a pee-wee team with an old-school coach. (So old school, he wrote, that the forward pass was an innovation.) He tells a story about this coach riding him really hard in practice, making him do pushups afterwards, etc. Randy’s comments was this: “When you see yourself doing something badly and nobody’s bothering to tell you anymore, that’s a very bad place to be. Your critics are the ones telling you they still love you and care.”

George cares about the state of riding in the USA, bringing home medals for the USA, the welfare of every horse under his eye, and he might care about you if you show that you care about the same things he does. He doesn’t care that you paid for the clinic if you don’t act like you care about your horse and your riding.

J-Turner, well said…I fear that after he is gone a lot of the ridng style that is left with us will go too and the state of ULRs to teach the lower levels will be of a different direction and quality…

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Since it is Sunday AM, I will tell it like it is. I worship at the church of Horsemanship, and y’all are invoking the names of the gods - Littauer, Wright, DeNemathy, Morris, and don’t forget Caprilli. GM remains in that pantheon for the very thing doubless quoted and my favorite quote- “it’s about the horse and that’s it!” I have NEVER seen this man advocate ANYTHING but actions/behaviours that are " about the horse", to help it perform better or save it’s mouth ( crest release) or other painful interventions that we as riders can visit upon them. If he calls a rider a " dumbell" - it sure isn’t gonna hurt the horse in anyway, but maybe it will move the rider to do the right thing. Abuse isn’t just beating a horse y’kno.When the horse no longer comes first, let me know how bad he is then.[/QUOTE]

Worth repeating [again]!! Awesome post RFF!! Hope you all are surviving in SC.

For you information.
I brought the suit on behalf of myself and my farm Tellwynd. The case WAS heard before the Federal Court of Chief & Senior Judge Anne E. Thompson in the fall of 2003 The JURY brought back a unanimous verdict GUILTY!

I checked with Federal Judge Thompson’s clerk in Trenton. She informed me, unfortunately the record is NOT stored electronically. Your electronic search did not reveal the case…It certainly does not mean the case was not litigated!! I’m astonished you can make the observation about “how much weight you would put in it” How incredibly #$%^ can you be?

The record IS an authentic Federal Court Case. Period! [INDENT] FOR THE RECORD:
Chris Kappler, Hunterdon and George Morris were EACH found GUILTY of NEGLECT in the death of the horse - Grande Saber.
[/INDENT]This is in FEDERAL COURT…the case it set a precedence for every court in the country! Notice all parties are no longer operating. George Morris is now George Morris, Inc. Chris Kappler is now Chris Kappler , Inc…etc. Hunterdon Inc is no longer able to be insured.

It was the most devastating time for my whole family. How insensitive of you to question this ruling of one of the Country’s most respected courts.

My attorney and myself file the results with the powers that be…No one was sanctioned. Quite the contrary…in a month or so in 2003 while convicted of being responsible for the negligent death of my beloved Saber…Chris was named by the USET Horseman of the Year!

Nice huh?

I’m grateful to the jury. No matter how many Olympic cronies show up to support ya… It really isn’t about WHO you ARE in THAT Court!

Joan Watt
Formerly Tellwynd Farm

Thanks for speaking up…it’s good to hear the words…directly from the source.

The pain after 12 years is too difficult to describe and is still palpable for my family. I know the horrific way Grande Saber suffered before we were faced with his ultimate death. I sickens me to this day. We were in the dark for almost a week while this happened. The details would make you sob in anger & disbelief. The medical expert called their actions negligent and criminal.

George told us it was “Bad Luck” Saber died. Really? As he said that, I pictured him slipping my horse’s Hunterdon Black & Baby Blue wardrobe on the next prospect in his stable and walking away. He never said he was sorry.

“A strong, sincere and sympathetic attitude combined with an affable, attractive mien make for an ideal personality image, one that is destined to evoke the pupil’s trust and confidence in his instructor.”

Would anyone care to guess who I’m quoting here?

To JenEM - what legal world do you live in that you believe all cases are accessible electronically? Do you have any idea how many cases at all levels are backlogged with respect to being immediately available with an electronic search.

The trial took place and Hunterdon Inc, GM and CK were found guilty of neglect in the death of Grande Saber with a 10 to ZERO decision by a JURY. The trial took place in the Federal District Court in Trenton NJ.

So you can be a bit snipey about what weight you will put on this case - but you are completely wrong inferring it never happened.

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“A strong, sincere and sympathetic attitude combined with an affable, attractive mien make for an ideal personality image, one that is destined to evoke the pupil’s trust and confidence in his instructor.”

Would anyone care to guess who I’m quoting here?[/QUOTE]

It was none other than the man himself. Ironic isn’t it.

Um…Do you think we didn’t get your point? You’re like the person who just explained the punch line of a joke. :rolleyes: Believe me, we get it. You do not like GM. Good for you.

Crackity crack crackity crack crackity crack…

(broken record)

I’m sorry. Could you repeat that?

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I’m sorry. Could you repeat that?[/QUOTE]

That.

Next on the agenda

If we want to see the auto release come back it has to start at the top not the bottom. Students will inspire to be like their heros. The heros have changed over the years so has the style. If GM were to get ALL the ULRs to do an auto release it would come back. If the ULRs cannot do one shame on them…

Well, now that they’ve all decided to wear helmets, maybe we can convince them to do auto releases…

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Crackity crack crackity crack crackity crack…

(broken record)[/QUOTE]

Who says white chicks don’t have rhythm? :lol:

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No differences made. Same as it ever was…[/QUOTE]

In terms of eq, I think the USET Talent Search and the like are more recent than the old standby medal classes. 'kay? That’s all I was referring to - that there are multiple eq classes which carry “prestigious” titles - and they are all, as far as I can see, winning doing crest releases.

Now there’s one of my favorite rants - the" eq’s that matter." Open up any prize list and you will find a whole page of eq’s. Why is this??? Is it so that, if you didn’t win the one that matters, at least you can assuage your ego by winning some other johnny-come-lately medal class? Or, as I most likely suspect, just another money-making scheme by management? I mean, really. Once upon a time, there was the Maclay, the AHSA Medal, and then the USET. I’m sure there are folks who use these others to school for the big eqs, but still… ( so OK- I’m having an old curmudgeon attack :). And yeas by God, crest release is th order of the day. If it continues to be rewarded it will never change.

Do, I assume…it is about style not function any more. What a shame…I hope when my daughter lerns to jump her instructor eventually teaches her the auto release. The trainer is capable it will remain if my daughter is…

See you don’t get it. I actually like George. What I don’t like is his delivery method which at times leaves a lot to be desired. There is no value added to a lesson or clinic for a student to be publicly ridiculed. Apparently many other feel the same way.

I also don’t like the fact that people mistakenly give GM credit for creating “the system” when that credit should be given to Bertalan De Nemethy.

Here is what Gorden Wright (one of GM’s mentors) had to say on teaching/instructing in his book Horsemanship.

  • Never ridicule a pupil's horse, riding ability or past experience consider a rider's good and bad points in much the same way he would consider a horse's.
  • There are some conformation faults that limit a rider's ability, just as there are conformation faults that limit a horses abilty.
  • Avoid having a negative attitude.
  • Realize the importance of temperment. There are tempermental differences in people as well as horses.
  • The best and most that a pupil can do is improve on everything he has learned, and in this the conscientious instructor can and should assit him.

pds, WHEN are you going to get it that GM is NOT copying Bert’s system, but has brought together pieces from ALL of the teachers he has learned from? Bert refined what the “show jumpers” were/were not doing when he arrived, but what George teaches is a compilation of MANY people, not just Bert, and he has put it together in his own way. He is NOT taking credit for Bert’s system, and he very freely acknowledges that his system comes from many. If you are going to ridicule, at least get your facts straight.