Goldendoodle Breeder Recommendations

[Countrywood]

There’s nothing wrong with it… expect it adds to over population of dogs in general, and we see from the past that virtually every time a breed (now it’s a cross breed )becomes popular, the profit potential leads to more people breeding, resulting in not only lesser quality litters but an over supply of the breed/type. Since dogs live 10-14 years and the early enthusiasts already own, there are not endless homes; When puppies start going unsold prices go down, the breed loses its status except to the smaller number of aficionados.

And thus the doodle mixes will start showing up in shelters …over breeding when they became popular happened to cocker spaniels and it happened to poodles and likely in less than a decade, on a smaller scale, but it will happen, to these mixes esp the larger ones as the smaller become the new “better”…

It’s wonderful they are using them for service dogs but they could have restricted breeding for non allergic service dogs only, no need to create another mix for the public who will in time in move on to the next fad dog breed or cross.

[Sswor]

There are plenty of purebred dogs in shelters. Plenty! Lots and lots and lots of purebred dogs in shelters and rescues across the country. Every breed has a rescue organization. Saying that crossbreeding of dogs contributes to pet over population rings quite hollow, indeed.

There will always be unwanted pets. Just like there will always be unwanted horses. And children. That’s just life.

The burden of solving the pet overpopulation problem does not fall upon every single person who wants a dog (or horse or kid). If someone wants a Goldendoodle, so be it. They are no different then someone who wants an Affenpinscher or a Bouvier de Flanders. Except that if your type is the former, you might have a snowball’s chance in hades of actually being able to get one. If yours is the later, good luck a) finding one and b) getting the breeder to part with it.

There’s a great deal to be said for a good cross-bred dog.

[Countrywood]

Saying that crossbreeding of dogs contributes to pet over population rings quite hollow, indeed.

Since every purpose bred dog, whether a cross or pure was bred not to keep or do a job but to sell contributes too pet over population, it’s reality whether you want to face it or not. If they could not profit from selling them there would be no reason for this designer cross breed to exist.

[Countrywood]

There will always be unwanted pets. Just like there will always be unwanted horses. And children. That’s just life.

That’s not “just life”, since people are supposed to have the intelligence and good judgement to shape how life turns out for the innocents…be they horses, dogs or children. Mass killings by one means or another each year of horses, dogs and children might indicate we are not doing a good job of how many to bring into the world since we cant’ protect, provide for, or find homes for the existing ones.

[french_fry]

Not sure if anyone has brought this up yet, but I unequivocally would NOT recommend rescuing a 'doodle of any kind - and I’m one of the biggest proponents of rescue on this board!

I work with an organization that works with essentially all of my city’s private rescues. To a dog, every doodle I’ve seen surrendered to rescue is neurotic and/or has no off switch and/or is a biter.

I guess it may speak well of the mix overall that when people get good ones they tend to hang on to them? But seriously, I have seen numerous of these dogs come into rescue in the last year and the rescues only get the monsters that need a ton of remedial work.

[Countrywood]

Makes sense…but there is a link to why more are going into rescue, larger numbers due to more people in recent years who jumped on the popularity craze to breed more of them for profit, which means lesser quality litters being bred/and or screening of homes.

[french_fry]

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8534709]
Makes sense…but there is a link to why more are going into rescue, larger numbers due to more people in recent years who jumped on the popularity craze to breed more of them for profit, which means lesser quality litters being bred/and or screening of homes.[/QUOTE]

I can see how the best aspects of both breeds could get you a very appealing family dog, but by the same token if you get the worst qualities of both breeds…oh man. Look out.

We’re still not seeing a ton come through rescue (although maybe there is a big east coast doodle rescue that gets most of them? We don’t really work with breed rescues) but man the ones we’ve gotten have been nasty.

[D_BaldStockings]

Show her lots of pics of retreiver clip and puppy clip Apricot poodles.

http://www.poodleforum.com/attachments/poodle-rainbow/28342d1352649363-cream-sable-apricot-thread-lou-sittin-her-butt-chillaxin-look-eyes-hd.jpg

The only doodles I have met have had nice temperaments but very sad structure.

-not saying there aren’t decent health and structure dogs out there, but rush purchases of dogs rarely end happily with volume breeders.

Portuguese Water Spaniels, Irish Water Spaniels are also suggestions.

[keepthelegend]

www.goldenacresofky.com

I don’t know anything about Goldendoodles, but I know this girl personally a little bit and she has a lot of very happy owners. I think she produces dogs with very good temperaments and they are raised with twin baby girls and two other kids in a very hands on environment. As far as conformation or anything else, I have no idea!

[ElisLove]

[QUOTE=maybedog;8534319]
I have a friend who is one of the first breeders of Goldendoodles. She is probably the only one who is doing it right as far as mixed breeds go and always has a long waiting list for her puppies. Personally, I would never “buy” a dog. Mine have always been rescues. Here is her website.http://www.goldendoodles.net[/QUOTE]

No one with that many breeding dogs can be ‘doing it right’

[Sswor]

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8534668]
Saying that crossbreeding of dogs contributes to pet over population rings quite hollow, indeed.

Since every purpose bred dog, whether a cross or pure was bred not to keep or do a job but to sell contributes too pet over population, it’s reality whether you want to face it or not. If they could not profit from selling them there would be no reason for this designer cross breed to exist.[/QUOTE]

Sure there would. People like having dogs as pets. And they like cute, fluffy dogs who always looks like puppies as pets. Lots of dogs in this country have no other job then companion and that’s ok. There will always be fluffy little mop dogs of various shapes and sizes out there and most people don’t care about papers.

In addition, the service dog organization I mentioned earlier is considering breeding Goldendoodles because they’re working out well as service dogs and yet they’re really expensive. The organization figures they can breed their own stock for much cheaper then the doodle breeders want for the puppies. Extra or reject puppies would be sold as pets. Likely at market rate too.

[Sswor]

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8534674]
There will always be unwanted pets. Just like there will always be unwanted horses. And children. That’s just life.

That’s not “just life”, since people are supposed to have the intelligence and good judgement to shape how life turns out for the innocents…be they horses, dogs or children. Mass killings by one means or another each year of horses, dogs and children might indicate we are not doing a good job of how many to bring into the world since we cant’ protect, provide for, or find homes for the existing ones.[/QUOTE]

You’re right. But telling this woman not to get a goldendoodle, but to get a curly coated retriever instead, is not going to fix it. It’s just going to be disappointing to this woman and the world is still going to suck.

[Countrywood]

I agree, the woman won’t listen, let her do what she’s going to do!

[Jhein12]

A lot of the golden doodle breeders tell buyers that they do not require grooming. Make sure your friend knows that they do… and a lot of it. The mix of coats mats very easily. Last week I had to shave one down that was so matted I found mold underneath of the matting it was so tight that whenever the dog got wet outside it wasn’t getting dry.

[stargzng386]

I am in VA and did a LOT of goldendoodle research. Goldens are my favorite breed dog but my boyfriend at the time was mildly allergic and couldn’t handle the amount of hair. I called/emailed over 30 breeders and found one I would get a puppy from. I actually got my dog from a rescue but this was my backup breeder and we still keep in touch. They are medium/mini sized not full sized. I live in a townhouse so I wasn’t looking for a 60lb dog. Their Facebook page is very active with lots of past puppy pictures and updates. The puppies are raised in their home, all of their breeding dogs are treasured family members living in their home as well.

http://kaosfarmdoodles.com/

[S1969]

[QUOTE=stargzng386;8535994]
I am in VA and did a LOT of goldendoodle research. Goldens are my favorite breed dog but my boyfriend at the time was mildly allergic and couldn’t handle the amount of hair. I called/emailed over 30 breeders and found one I would get a puppy from. I actually got my dog from a rescue but this was my backup breeder and we still keep in touch. They are medium/mini sized not full sized. I live in a townhouse so I wasn’t looking for a 60lb dog. Their Facebook page is very active with lots of past puppy pictures and updates. The puppies are raised in their home, all of their breeding dogs are treasured family members living in their home as well.

http://kaosfarmdoodles.com/[/QUOTE]

My issue with this type of breeder is that they are still cross breeding - they are still breeding Poodles to Goldens, instead of breeding Goldendoodles to Goldendoodles - which is how “breeding” works. Otherwise these are mixes, without any known guarantee for coat type, size, temperament, etc. Some of these are F1s, but they are still listing F0 (? not sure if that’s the correct term) as “parents.” (The one litter they have listed is an F1 of their breeding x a dog from another breeding…they call him a “multi-gen” so apparently he is beyond F1).

If they’ve been breeding for 15+ years, they should be well past the F1 generation…so why aren’t they?

[stargzng386]

They are most of their crosses are a golden doodle bred with a poodle or another goldendoodle. I personally hate the curly hair on a poodle and actually prefer an F1 but that’s just me. The few straight golden females they have are either retired or not bred often.

You also can’t take just a website for information you have to talk to breeders. I can’t tell you how many beautiful websites I saw and when I spoke with the breeders they raised the puppies in kennels or their garage, didn’t want to answer questions and showed no love of their dogs or the breed. It’s pretty obvious in a quick phone call if a breeder is doing it for the money or because they love it.

[QUOTE=S1969;8536084]
My issue with this type of breeder is that they are still cross breeding - they are still breeding Poodles to Goldens, instead of breeding Goldendoodles to Goldendoodles - which is how “breeding” works. Otherwise these are mixes, without any known guarantee for coat type, size, temperament, etc. Some of these are F1s, but they are still listing F0 (? not sure if that’s the correct term) as “parents.” (The one litter they have listed is an F1 of their breeding x a dog from another breeding…they call him a “multi-gen” so apparently he is beyond F1).

If they’ve been breeding for 15+ years, they should be well past the F1 generation…so why aren’t they?[/QUOTE]

[MsM]

KaosFarm at least appears to be doing health testing. I would definitely double check with OFA, but it is a good sign. I am not hung up on whether it is a “breed”. If they can reliably produce characteristics that people want in a healthy, good-minded, decently conformed dog then I am okay with it.

[khall]

I just do not think you can get the reliable characteristics yet in GD or LD, even with several generations breeding LD to LD. The friend that I have that bought two LD, wanting hypoallergenic non shedding certain size (30 lbs or so) etc did not get that with her two. Last one sheds and is close to 50 lbs.

[Horsegal984]

[QUOTE=Sswor;8535715]
In addition, the service dog organization I mentioned earlier is considering breeding Goldendoodles because they’re working out well as service dogs and yet they’re really expensive. The organization figures they can breed their own stock for much cheaper then the doodle breeders want for the puppies. Extra or reject puppies would be sold as pets. Likely at market rate too.[/QUOTE]

This service dog organization knows that’s how doodles came to exist in the first place right? This isn’t some awesome novel idea they had, it’s what the originator of the doodle had in mind when he started breeding them. Then he quit, because he discovered that when cross breeding dogs the genetics were so unreliable that it wasn’t worth it. He has since come out and stated if he knew then what he does now he never would have done it.
http://www.dogster.com/the-scoop/dog-breeds-creator-labradoodle-labrador-retriever-poodle-regrets-it

Sorry OP, I don’t know a reputable breeder to point you towards, but I wish you luck in swaying your friend.