GOLPP--anyone else dealing with this? Or has?

Is anyone else dealing with GOLPP in their aged dog?

My lab is now 13. I’m so lucky to have had him this long. I know that. But the GOLPP stuff is just breaking my heart.

He was Dx’d with LP last year but a great vet here consulted a neuro about us after our convos and my insistence that the breathing issues and hind end stuff is all connected and voila…GOLPP.

Hind end weakness. LP. Neuropathy.

This weekend, someone rang our doorbell. Dog got really excited. Couldn’t breathe, tongue turned blue. I had to give him mouth to mouth. Husband was freaking out.

If you’ve been here and done this…can you tell me what to expect?

He is so happy about life. He’s not in pain. He has difficulty getting up and down. He has difficulty posing for defectating right now. And if he’s excited, he just can’t breathe well. But he’s so HAPPY. I don’t know when to pull the trigger on euth. He is the best dog in the whole world. My baby. I love him so much and I don’t want him to suffer or be scared.

This weekend really scared me. His tongue was literally blue. I don’t know when I should call it quits on this. I will euth, I can do that. But I don’t want to do it too soon…or too late.

Anyone else dealt with this?

oh come on…surely SOMEONE! I see more than 100 views. Please chime in!

I watched my Golden die from a LP episode. Personally, I wouldn’t wait. If he’s severe enough that a door bell causes him to become cyanotic he’s a pretty severe case.

(You may get more replies from spelling out GOLLP, a majority aren’t going to know what it means.)

I don’t know what that GOLPP is :confused:
and admitting I’m a bit scared to ‘google’ it .
Sending Jingles for you and your dear dog .

Ok … I ‘googled’ it …I’m sorry you are in this struggle.
I know one person who is in ‘this’ with an older small breed dog.
I know nothing about the management … will ask the next time I see her in early October.
Jingles for you and your dog …sorry I’m of no help here.

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I watched my Golden die from a LP episode. Personally, I wouldn’t wait. If he’s severe enough that a door bell causes him to become cyanotic he’s a pretty severe case.

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I’m sorry for your loss.

I’ve been told to keep my guy low key and when he is (low key) he seems fine. Happy, doing normal doggy stuff.

So I really hate to euth him too soon…I’m a fan of better week too soon than a moment too late though…and I’m wondering.

Can you really keep him from getting excited? realistically? What if he is alone?
I guess I would look at what an episode is like for him. If it is not painful nor terrifying for him, you can wait longer. But if any doorbell ring risks his health and happiness, I don’t think I could risk it. Is there any option for a mild tranq to keep him mellow?
Sorry for your situation.

Did you ask your vet what he/she thinks? Or did you ask them for a description of what the end would be like? It’s very hard to know what to do.
I assume that if you had not given mouth to mouth, the dog would have collapsed and died, right? So excitement causes the problem, anything else? Otherwise the dog is happy and contented, right?
If it gets harder for the dog to get up/or becomes incontinent, is in pain that can’t be treated, then I think you know what you need to do, for the comfort of the dog, unless the vet can recommend other medications.
As far as the dog collapsing and turning blue, the dog doesn’t know and it sounds from your description that the dog just collapsed and would have died comfortably if you hadn’t intervened. True?
I had a GSD that had been born with a severe heart condition. She was a happy dog. One eve she laid down on my living room rug, went to sleep, had what appeared to be a minor seizure, gave out a cry, and was gone.
Best death I’ve seen in a long time.
I think you need to determine inside yourself, at what point human intervention shouldn’t happened. And then let the dog go.
I’m not saying this is easy, because it’s not. And any pet owner knows how much this hurts, not for the dog but for the human left behind.
There are very few of us that deal well with a loved animals death,
And it’s a very hard decision to make. But most of us have been there and we know how you feel. You will do the right thing.

If the rest of his health is good, I’d consider having the surgery done.

From a quick Google because I couldn’t stand the lack of explaining the acronym.

GOLPP stands for geriatric onset laryngeal paralysis and polyneuropathy, which is a slowly progressive condition that affects many nerves in the body.

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As far as the dog collapsing and turning blue, the dog doesn’t know and it sounds from your description that the dog just collapsed and would have died comfortably if you hadn’t intervened. True? [/QUOTE]

Not at all. Dying from a laryngeal paralysis episode is like slowly being strangled. The dogs are panicked, their breathing worsens because of the panic, which makes them panic more, and their breathing becomes worse, around and around and around. It’s an absolutely horrible death. They are aware and awake during the whole struggle, becoming more and more frightened.

The FIRST thing we do for a dog having a Lar Par attack when they get to the clinic is IV sedation and are prepared to intubate them.

Surgery is an option, but you need to really weigh the pros and cons. Yes, it fixes the breathing problems for good, but it does come with a new set of risks. I would either do the surgery or euthanize sooner rather than later. Because there’s no way to predict which attack will be the one to send you racing to the ER with a gasping struggling dog and wishing you’d done it yesterday.

Thanks all.

It’s really gotten worse in the last week. He’s now had three episodes in a week that left him looking cyanotic. Without intervention, he basically stands there and just hoarks like he’s trying to clear his throat. His hind end weakness has progressed rapidly too. This last week, there have been a couple of occasions where I had to help him get upstairs from his “lair” in the basement where he likes to rest. (it’s cool, dark, and quiet)

Even when he’s having difficulty, he doesn’t seem anxious. My neighbor witnessed one yesterday–she’s a physician, not a vet–but also a dog person–and she said “I’m anxious watching this, but he doesn’t seem alarmed.” And he doesn’t. He just stops, stands, and within a minute or two, recovers. I think my mouth to mouth thing was not that helpful, it was just my reaction after working in vet med and seeing a purple tongue. He probably would’ve been fine w/o me. But it was the first time it had happened.

I emailed the GOLPP study group at MSU about recommendations because even the last awesome vet we saw about this is kind of at a loss giving me an answer about how to properly gauge “quality of life” in order to make a decision. I think she is afraid to tell me what I think I know…that it’s not a matter of if, but when. I think she was maybe hoping that the hind end issues would outrun the breathing issues.

The things that get him excited or distressed are:

  1. doorbell rings. I’m going to disable the damned thing. The only people who ring my doorbell are door to door whatevers–not people we know.

  2. strange dogs in our yard when he’s out–we live on kind of a busy walking route and there are a lot of people who let their dogs off leash. So they end up in our yard and want to play and my dog wants to play and voila! I can’t put up a physical fence as this is a rental. I have invisible fence so that keeps mine in but not the strange dogs out. He’s never out if I’m not home so if I see someone coming I take him inside. But sometimes, I’m caught off guard.

  3. Heat and humidity: We moved back to MI from VA this spring so we’ve actually had a pretty good summer–it was initially an improvement. I keep the house cool and have a dehumidifier running. And he can hang out in the yard a bit like he enjoys without being badly affected since it’s so much milder here.

I’ve seen 4 veterinarians in 18 mos for the breathing issues and no one seemed to think he was a good candidate for tie back-shoot, no one even wants to scope him to determine what we’re dealing with. I would really hate to have him die on the table or from aspirating after the fact. I’d honestly rather euth him on a good day.

But I hate to snuff him out before it’s really time.

This is my “first” dog. First dog of my own. We’ve been through a lot of other “crisis” before and come out strong. I’m super thankful that I’ve had 13 years with him and can’t imagine my home and my life without him. But that’s selfish. So I’m just trying to gauge where we are on the trajectory so I can make a plan. If I can make a plan with some metrics, I’d feel more comfortable.

He’s sleeping at my feet right now, had his peanut butter bones this morning, and is generally doing great. But…I know it’s not going to improve.

Maybe this will help BuddyRoo. I’m sorry for what you’re going through right now. Believe me I understand.

http://vetsocialwork.utk.edu/docs/Quality%20of%20Life.pdf

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Maybe this will help BuddyRoo. I’m sorry for what you’re going through right now. Believe me I understand.

http://vetsocialwork.utk.edu/docs/Quality%20of%20Life.pdf[/QUOTE]

Thank you! The thing is, from this, we’re like AWESOME! But I still suspect that we’re not. Really. But from most of that on the chart, we’re doing great.

Yeah LP doesn’t really fit well on that chart. But I do wonder why everybody is so hesitant to be willing to suggest surgery? Or to even do anesthesia to confirm? Sure there are risks when going down/waking up but I know you understand them better than most. A good skilled anesthesia tech will negate risks as much as possible, and with the right premeds and intubation/extubation aspiration is much less likely.

So sorrry for what you are going through…stupid question I know but do they ever keep such dogs on a low dose of something to keep them mellowed out or is that definitely counter indicated …?

I’m sorry. I just went through ‘making the call’ with my lab (unrelated issue - you can see the thread somewhere here) and it is never easy.

My biggest fear with your guy would be what if he is on his own? You don’t want him to die alone and in pain. Can you monitor him constantly, and intervene or get to a vet quick enough to manage him?

We were having the same struggle because when she was fine, she was TOTALLY fine. And to walk a waggy happy dog into the vet to be euthanized just didn’t seem right. But when the bad days start to add up, it becomes more important to critically evaluate their quality of life.

We were lucky that she was supervised, and when she crashed (and she definitely crashed versus a long slow decline), we could get her taken care of within minutes.

From this recent experience (a week ago, and the first time putting down my own pet) I can say that after the fact it was a relief that she died without prolonged suffering. And that brings me comfort even though it’s hard without her.

Sending hugs.

I just spoke to vet in my practice and she advises scheduled euth. I just half cried through a convo. But I think she is likely right The breathing issues are only part of it. The other neuro issues are big too. I mean, he struggles to take a poop. And struggles to get from one floor to the other in our house.

This vet was so kind and kind of cried with me. I’ve done so much for this dog over the years. It’s hard to let it go now. I just don’t want to let go.

That’s on me.

And i’m the one that wrote “This It Be Right”. I know…better a week too soon than a moment too late. But damn. It’s hard.

I am so sorry. I know this dog means the world to you.

It is tough. We euthanized our 12 year old Chesapeake Bay Retriever a couple of months ago. She was healthy until summer, except had a few UTIs and some hind end weakness that I assumed was arthritis. I started her on Previcox. One day, she seemed very weak in her hind legs while having her daily swim. The next day, she was incontinent and couldn’t get up.

It was hard to decide to euthanize a totally alert, aware, wonderful, dog. However, she wasn’t going to get better. My daughter’s comment was that she couldn’t fix her. She might be able to make her a bit better, but fixing an old, neurological dog usually isn’t possible. Euthanasia was not easy, but it was the right decision. The future was not going to be good.

I’m sorry you and your dog are going through this.