What are the most common characteristics of this line? What would you expect to see if doubling up on A-line stallions in a pedigree? In this case it would be Absatz.
Granted, the placement is pretty far back: once in the 4th G. & once in the 5th.
But anytime I look at linebreeding, I like to research the line…:winkgrin:
I know the A line is considered a refining line…or at least, it use to be. What other characteristics would Absatz bring to the table?
maybe a hot character?? I had one horse out of a Abasatz mare and that one was hot…
It might help to see the entire pedigree in question?
I rode an A-line Hanoverian gelding for many years (by Armin, so Absatz as his sire’s grandsire). One thing I can say for sure: he is not a refined-looking guy. How much of that is due to the other 7 relatives in that generation, I can’t say.
He’s not particularly hot (granted, I started riding him when he was 16 so he may have mellowed with time), but had a lot of presence. He showed himself, essentially (much to my sister’s dismay), and had tremendous work ethic. He still has very strong opinions to this day (age 26). Showed up to 4th with decent scores, and had fantastic tempi changes to the 1s and piaffe.
Mine isn’t a Hano, she’s Oldenburg, but has Absatz on top 3 generations back. (sire - A Crown Court, grandsire - Abundance, great grandsire - Absatz)
She is the polar opposite of hot. I will agree with cnm in that my mare has a great work ethic and she is opinionated, but in a really great way - treat her right and you’re golden.
Check with not again or Tasker on here - they were very involved with Abundance’s importation and had him for many years. Absatz was his sire and Abundance was a versatile gem with a great mind, from what I understand.
From allbreedpedigree, it says:
“Absatz, is one of the few sires who had an enormous impact on Hanoverian breeding after the Second World War. He endowed his foals with light, free action, superb conformation and an unparalleled disposition, which made them extremely easy to train. In this way, he gave the modern Hanoverian characteristics and incomparable Absatz type from which this breed still profits in the second and third generation even today.”
Would love to hear from others with more knowledge, too. My foal that will be born next year has Absatz on the sire’s side also.
I rode at Skyline Farm with Al Steiert, Abundance’s owner. Abundance was an amazing horse to grow up around. I saw him do a little bit of everything with Al. He hacked out and fox hunted with all of us kids without a fuss. He drove, he was a talented jumper and just take a look at not again’s web site to see some dressage photos.
I was lucky enough to ride many of his youngsters and as I recall they were all easy to break, had a good work ethic and had good personalities. They definitely wanted to please. My one regret is that I never owned one of Abundance’s foals.
I may be wrong about this, but I knew of several Fabuluex offspring, and a ex-breeder I knew who owned a direct descendant of Absatz made a comment that she could see the Absatz in most of Fabulex’s offspring. The first video I sent to her of one for sale she asked if she had Absatz in the pedigree without seeing it.
She said they had presence, a nice way of going with 3 good gaits, and a lovely, forward way of going without being hot. Just a spark about them, and pretty in a more handsome way. It always stuck with me.
I have an absolute offspring (abundance). Wonderful dispo, EASY to deal with. Competed in eventing (CCI*), Hunter (was USEF reserve national champion in ladies sidesaddle) and 2nd level dressage.
LOL, PP, I often think I see Abundance in horses - if he isn’t in their pedigree, Absatz is. He definitely put a stamp on his descendents!
I owned an Akzent II daughter (Absatz granddaughter) and through her daughter I used two stallions with the A-line in them (Fabuleux and Romanov). I guess you could say I am a fan. 
Smart, smart, smart. Treat them right and they will work their heart out for you. Sensitive, but in a good, forward-moving way. Light, easy way of moving. Definitely agree about the “spark”. I love them.
My experience is that “A-line” in the pedigree is a plus. I’ve not heard of rideability problems, to the contrary, good riding horses, with a little sparkle.
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I owned an Akzent II daughter (Absatz granddaughter) and through her daughter I used two stallions with the A-line in them (Fabuleux and Romanov). I guess you could say I am a fan.
Smart, smart, smart. Treat them right and they will work their heart out for you. Sensitive, but in a good, forward-moving way. Light, easy way of moving. Definitely agree about the “spark”. I love them.[/QUOTE]
My stallion, Argosy, has Absatz on both sides of his pedigree…and this is just how I’d describe him. Tons of presence as well, and really stamps his foals.
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It might help to see the entire pedigree in question?[/QUOTE]
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/denirofoal
For some reason the tail female line is still not showing up, even though I edited it, but [B]“Welkene” is by Weltmeyer who is o/o a daughter of Absatz.
[/B]Although it doesn’t show in the DeniroFoal’s pedigree, if you click on “Welkene” her entire pedigree shows up.
[B]Absatz also is present up close in DeNiro’s pedigree via Akzent II.
[/B]Otherwise the breeding is a total outcross.I did do some searching of old threads and found a number of breeders had horses with many crosses to Absatz and didn’t have much of an issue other than the occasional “super sensitive” type. But no real crazies…
And almost everyone responded by saying how strong the A-characteristics come through and how they “pretty up” a horse.
So far sounds excellent, although again I have to wonder how much the A’s would come through in this particular case, since they are both rather far back in the pedigree…
Argosy is 1/4 AA, which I also think added a lot of prettiness as well. So I can’t say for sure whether “prettying up” would be primarily because of his double Absatz heritage.
I have one by De Niro out of an SPS Elite Sergeant Pepper/Andiamo mare, so that gives him Absatz in the 4th generation on both sides of the pedigree. He is rather handsome, and definitely has presence. Also is a smart dude, willing and trainable, somewhat sensitive about some things, a bit lazy (possibly from the Sandro), but overall pretty agreeable and tolerant. He is schooling 4th-ish level stuff with my trainer, but also is willing to pack me around the arena doing my “up-downs” :lol:
I would tend to agree with all of the posters above who have said that you get a very smart, rideable horse with a certain presence in the ring. My gelding was A line top and bottom and was a very light, sensitive ride but in a good amateur friendly way - I always joked that all I had to do was sit there and think about what I wanted and the next thing I knew he would be doing just that because he was sensitive enough to notice subtle changes of weight.
I also found that after owning my gelding I could pick out most horses that had Absatz in their pedigree even if it was many generations back. I find that the typical A-line hanoverian has an above average trot, nice canter, and as funny as this may sound a very similar look about their head and eye.
My guy was a trier and took me up to the 1.20m jumper ring as well as FEI junior dressage. He also loved to school tempi changes - They were easy and fun for him (and me).
To me he looked like a very typical A-line horse:
Dressage pic: https://www.facebook.com/kim.berenbaum/photos#!/kim.berenbaum/media_set?set=a.4115744405.1990.501539405&type=3
Jumping pic: https://www.facebook.com/kim.berenbaum/photos#!/photo.php?fbid=4250214405&set=a.4115744405.1990.501539405&type=3&theater
We have a mare by Andric who is by Absatz. She was late to mature but extremely smart and has very definite opinions on things. But she is also the most loving horse I have ever met.
Here is a head shot of my late Akzent II girl. I believe she very influenced by the A-line.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/460101_10150717656023920_1657469388_o.jpg
As a newbie to the WB world, I just have to say I am amazed by everyone’s descriptions of the A Line, or should I say, how aptly their observations totally describe my girl!
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