Hanoverian approved stallion Sport Ponies

[Peg]

I have never considered this option- but I need to know if they even exist.

I have the most beautiful Hanoverian filly, that may reach 16 hands, but realistically, I don’t think she will.
She is beautifully proportioned and a great mover. She is the one mare that I would even consider for this option. I’m not sure that I will breed her next year, so I have plenty of time to see if she stays small.

My questions are- do Hanoverian approved riding ponies exist aside from Mandingo, whom I’ve seen in person.

Peg

[tempichange]

Peg- yes, they do:) Check out the Weser-Ems book and email Klaus Bezenthal.

[hluing]

Yes…and no. There certainly are Hannover ponies…but that registry has no relationship with the AHA. AHA does not do ponies. Occasionaly Hannover pony does inspections in the US (ussualy at Klaus B. farm)…but since no relationship with US Hannoverians…you may as well look at Weser-Ems and RPSI as well. Then you have many more options for stallions. Hope that helps!

[Dressage_Diva333]

Yep, I would go with Weser-Ems.

Remember, height has a lot to do with the pedigree of the mare too. So, even if the mare isn’t going to get very big- what size are her parents?

[Daventry]

Even though your mare may be on the small size, there may he some “height” in her pedigree. What are the heights of her sire and dam?

If you are looking to produce a Sport Pony, you would have to breed your mare to something under 12.3 HH, in my opinion, in order to produce a foal that would stay under 14.2 HH. And unfortunately, the warmblood registries (ISR/Oldenburg, Weser-Ems, etc.) do not accept pony stallions that small into their pony stud books.

For example, if you bred your mare to Mandingo, you would likely end up with something in the 15.2+ HH range.

[alexandra]

I second the last posts. The Warmblood regsitry Hannover does not have ties to the Pony one (well loose ones, but not breedingbookwise).
You would need to present your mare nevertheless to one of the pony registries. Than I would go with a good and for the selected registry approved Welsh B stallion. Very often to be seen “recipe” in Germany. Constantin is a stallion to be named that stamped the Weser Ems breeding regarding WB pony mixes.
But actually I think 16 hands not tooo small for WB breeding. My mares are not much taller and I get tall enough foals. I keep that in mind and do not select anything that is known for throwing small. I would not cross belissimo or offspring to the one of my mares. It never occured to me to go the pony route because she is not huge. I bred e.g. to Benetton Dream twice and both resulting foals were tall enough as foals and the older one looks now as if he will finish in the 165m - 170m. What is the pedigree of your mare ?

[Crosiadore]

http://www.gestuet-kastanienhof.com/index.php?id=the-breas-my-mobility

I am a fan of the pony Stallion The Breas My Mobility and own a now Licensed son of his. I would think you would have to stick with something the size of Mobility to breed to a small warm blood mare. As quoted from the Oldenburg website about this year’s Bundeschampionat:

The other champion from the dressage arena was Mad Max WE (The Braes My Mobility x Sandro Hit) who won the 5 year old Dressage Ponies under rider Anna-Lisa Theile. Mad Max WE bred by Elisabeth van Hoorn and owned by Hannes Theile was outstanding scoring 9.0’s for his trot and canter resulting in an overall 8.2 and the gold medal!

And I have seen a couple other super Dressage ponies by him. If I could get my hands on his frozen I would be very tempted to try him on one of my smaller warmblood mares.

[rodawn]

Dressage Diva and Daventry make valuable points. She may be personally small, but she may still have tall in her pedigree and may still throw height.

I have a KWPN mare who is 15.3. Of her foals, only one stayed small. The rest are well over 16 hands. The one she birthed this spring, that I subsequently had to euthanize, would have been VERY tall as he was very tall and long-legged at birth.

[alexandra]

[QUOTE=Crosiadore;5856888]
http://www.gestuet-kastanienhof.com/index.php?id=the-breas-my-mobility

I am a fan of the pony Stallion The Breas My Mobility and own a now Licensed son of his.

.[/QUOTE]

I Love ihm ! Congrats to having a son of him!

[Crosiadore]

Thanks Alexandra. The pony colt I own, Manchester City, is a full brother to Manchester Untied now owned by Sprehe. Manchester City is a bit bigger than his full brother and seems to have better gaits for Dressage. We will see. I now need to find the appropriate mare to breed to him…well I have found her, just need to to send the check (-: She is just divine and has produced three States Premium daughters to date. Am just beginning to learn about the pony breeding it Germany, and am blown away by the quality.

[honeylips]

I too love the Braes My Mobility. There was a SUPER colt from him out of a Damon Hill mare at last month’s pony sale. I wanted him badly. Unfortunately he was incorrect in the foundation (all 4 legs) so I had to pass.

Constantin and his son Calido G is also crossed on “full size” WB mares quite successfully -
Calido G is a Welsh B 129cm, standing at
August Ellers
Halerhöhe 2
49685 Emstek.

I did buy a 2011 filly from Calido G out of a DeNiro mare in August. My filly finished in the Top 5 at the German Foal Championships at Lienen this year. This is the 3rd repeat on this cross and all have been “pony sized” but with big WB movement and very competitive.

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.269792133047336.84159.100000496538704

One of the top european ponies competing now is Cinderalla M WE (by Constantin out of a Donnerhall/Campari/Ravallo full size mother)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avq8jsvqmhY

[Oakstable]

Are there any pony stallions in the US with Constantin blood?

[Tasker]

Chardonnay

[alexandra]

Chardonnay himself is already a good size pony; would not use him on a wb mare hoping the result stay under fei pony limit.

I have seen Cinderella as a 3or 4 yo - what a pony !

[Fillyfolly]

Whispering Palms Farm in Florida has two stallions, one Section B and another Section C that recently were approved by RPSI and Weser Ems.
http://www.whisperingpalmsfarm.com/stallions.htm
That said, I agree with Daventry that you might not get a pony. I have a Popeye K mare that is a hair under 15.3 HH. She had a filly in April by Banderas - her first. The filly is huge - taller than the six other foals at the barn out of bigger mares and taller stallions - and will likely be 16.2 HH plus. Just because your mare is small is no guarantee that her offspring will be.
A 16.1 HH Voltaire mare owned by a friend was bred to a Section B stallion last year. It was apparent from birth that her filly, although very pretty, will NOT be a pony.

[honeylips]

Agreed - Chardonnay is another example of using Constantin on a non-pony sized mare as his damline is mostly TB and Trak.

[sanctuaryfarm]

“If you are looking to produce a Sport Pony, you would have to breed your mare to something under 12.3 HH, in my opinion, in order to produce a foal that would stay under 14.2 HH. And unfortunately, the warmblood registries (ISR/Oldenburg, Weser-Ems, etc.) do not accept pony stallions that small into their pony stud books.”

I just came back from a ISR Oldenburg inspection with my Hanoverian mare and her 1/2 Welsh pony filly. The filly was out of Rollingwoods Top Drawer a 12.2 Welsh stallion. It was the mare’s first foal and should be a top of the line large. The filly got a 7.8 on conformation, 8.3 on gaits for a total score of 8.1. Look at a Welsh with big gaits I know I am thrilled with my cross.

[foxcreek]

The Braes My Mobility is not available by frozen semen. Constantin is also not available by frozen semen. In terms of German Welsh ponies that have been successful that are available by frozen semen the only one I’m aware of is Halifax. But, there are more and more Welsh pony stallions being approved by the German sport pony registries.

[alexandra]

OT: Just read that August Ellers has been died.

[DownYonder]

OP, you might want to look at Wedderlie Mardi Gras. He is a Section B Welsh, about 13h, and approved for Weser-Ems breeding. You may or may not get a pony sized foal, though. If your mare has size in her bloodlines, she may throw more to her pedigree, even if you use a small stallion.

A friend has recently gone through this - I cautioned her a few years ago about breeding her 15.3h WB mare for a pony, but she was determined. Her mare’s sire is 16.1 and damsire is 16.3, and even though she used a 13.2 Welsh stallion, the foal is going to easily top 16h.