Thanks Alexandra! I really wonder what/where the stallion is now!
I know it’s early but will the Diamond Hit/Lauries be frozen? What is his name so we can keep an eye out for him.
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I know it’s early but will the Diamond Hit/Lauries be frozen? What is his name so we can keep an eye out for him.[/QUOTE]
Jeezes,
they dfo not have a name and as far as I heard he will be stationed at Böckmann.
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I was referring to the United colt - “What did everyone think of the walk on the United colt?”
'Cause I thought it was pretty yucky from the video, and I have now gotten feedback from folks who were there that it was a very lackluster, “poor quality” walk.
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Longer videos of the Totilas son: http://www.topdressage.tv/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=190&t=7483[/QUOTE]
He shows a certain amount of dexterity and power. Light on his front end. I think he could be interesting and not just because of his sire.
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I was referring to the United colt - “What did everyone think of the walk on the United colt?”
'Cause I thought it was pretty yucky from the video, and I have now gotten feedback from folks who were there that it was a very lackluster, “poor quality” walk.[/QUOTE]
Well, I guess I did not express my ironic tongue in cheak well enough 
Alexandra, I think your comment would have come across clearer if you had said “What walk?” 
I have to wonder if he was footsore in the video or something – he certainly didn’t look quite right.
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There was also live stream on Hannoveraner.com for free.
I am hoiping that 41 goes to Celle. Good ol blodlines combined with something modern resultetd in a well moving, loose. elastic and very pretty jumper. A very very good overall package ![/QUOTE]
It looks like he will be coming to Kanada. I hope they keep him a stallion.
Dan
Yes I hope, too. And maybe leave him in Germany for a while. Stalliontest would be much cheaper and easier to go to in Germany. And will also be no problem for the other registries. And he could be frozen.
Sigh, this makes the difference languagewise between speaking quite fluently and speaking like mothertongue. Thanks !
The walk was in my eyes awful: I do not know the english word for the german word we use in walk but it was not really Walking. No freedom to reach out from the shoulder and not always clear rhythm plus almost None overreach. No overreach is for me not the biggest issue, but the way he moved in the front (bound) and the rhythm was Yak…
Alexandra is correct. The United had no walk to speak of. The rhythm was inconsistent and no swing in the back. His trot was a money trot though and these days, that is what attracts attention and most leave out the rest of the “package”. It takes THREE correct gaits to do anything in sport. walk is not something you can “add” or “Fix”.
As for the Totilas, I think the video is far better than the reality. I will say though, I think if he lost 100 lbs or more, he might have better dexterity as he showed none in the arena. He could make up to a good upper level prospect though and I am not counting him out. He will have some of the best training available. I am not alone in this opinion as hundreds more in the arena thought the same. Conversations for two days centered around who would do the bidding and the price was no surprise. This colt could not go for less and have his sire respected on the breeding world.
Could someone please unfuddle this befuddled mind?
- I know that WB’s go through inspections, usually as sucklings. And stallions can either go through a 70 day (100 day?) test (or do a ‘performance’ requirement) to be approved and licensed for breeding.
But what is this 2 day “licensing” that they have in Germany? Is this instead of a 70 day test? Instead of an approval? Do the stallions which are approved here need to do anything more to get breeding approval?
What about the ones which are not licensed? Can they try again (say, a performance test) to get approved? Or are they horses which will make better geldings?
- Are all the horses presented at this ‘licensing’ automatically entered into the sale? What if you want to have your stallion approved, but do not want to sell it? What if the horse performs poorly – can the owners withdraw it from the sale? Or put a reserve on the horse?
I am still very confused about all the different presentations that WB’s go through to establish their quality.
Thanks.
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Could someone please unfuddle this befuddled mind?
- I know that WB’s go through inspections, usually as sucklings. And stallions can either go through a 70 day (100 day?) test (or do a ‘performance’ requirement) to be approved and licensed for breeding.
But what is this 2 day “licensing” that they have in Germany? Is this instead of a 70 day test? Instead of an approval? Do the stallions which are approved here need to do anything more to get breeding approval?
What about the ones which are not licensed? Can they try again (say, a performance test) to get approved? Or are they horses which will make better geldings?
- Are all the horses presented at this ‘licensing’ automatically entered into the sale? What if you want to have your stallion approved, but do not want to sell it? What if the horse performs poorly – can the owners withdraw it from the sale? Or put a reserve on the horse?
I am still very confused about all the different presentations that WB’s go through to establish their quality.
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For simplicity’s sake, forget about the foal “inspection” process. It has absolutely nothing to do with breeding approvals when they get older.
In brief:
Most WB registries in Europe hold a Licensing for 2 1/2 year old colts. If a colt is “licensed”, it means the registry feels that they MAY be stallion material, and they can go on to attempt to get fully approved either through:
attending a 70DT as a three year old and getting a passing score
OR
attending a 30DT as a three year old, and then fulfilling the stated performance requirements
OR
by pure performance requirements.
They do not HAVE to be auctioned off afterwards.
If they are “not licensed” the owner may opt to TRY to gain approval either through getting the required scores at a 70DT or through performance, and then presenting them to the registry again. But almost all are gelded, and go into sport.
Clear as mud?
Could someone please unfuddle this befuddled mind?
- I know that WB’s go through inspections, usually as sucklings. And stallions can either go through a 70 day (100 day?) test (or do a ‘performance’ requirement) to be approved and licensed for breeding.
But what is this 2 day “licensing” that they have in Germany? Is this instead of a 70 day test? Instead of an approval? Do the stallions which are approved here need to do anything more to get breeding approval?
What about the ones which are not licensed? Can they try again (say, a performance test) to get approved? Or are they horses which will make better geldings?
- Are all the horses presented at this ‘licensing’ automatically entered into the sale? What if you want to have your stallion approved, but do not want to sell it? What if the horse performs poorly – can the owners withdraw it from the sale? Or put a reserve on the horse?
I am still very confused about all the different presentations that WB’s go through to establish their quality.
o.k. lets start:
Each of the German registries has slightly different rules but all have on thing in common: A licensing at the Age of 2,5 or 3 years as the rule. And to be fully approved for their full lifetime the prove of Performance ability either through stallion test (most stallions) or showrecord.
One has to distinguish between licensing and approval. Licensing is the first official “allowance” to breed. An approval happens if a stallion was already licensed by one registry and is now presented to another and also by them approved to breed.
Now coming to Hanover: There is no inspection of sucklings (a few other german registries have that, but even there it has nothing to do with breeding allowance).
The main licensing process happens in autumn for the than 2 year olds. First they are presented at preselections. There they have to be selected and than they can go to the licensing in Verden.
After they are licensed they are allowed to breed for a certain time (usually the next year) and than they have to fullfill some Performance requirements to get their lifetime approval.
The ones that are not licensed can do whatever they want (well appart from breed as foals will not get papers). So if These Colts at some Point in their life fullfill the performance requirements , they can be presented again for licensing.
You have to declare in advance whether you want to sell through auction or not. If not vcertain fees arouse. You are not allowed to withdraw somewhere inbetween this is to give the buyers a mre secure base. You can buy your stallion back in the auction, but Need to pay the fees for selling and for buying nevertheless. No reserve possible.
As said this can be slightly different with the registries, but basically this is it.
Licensing plus performance proof is in the end needed.
Well I would not put it “they MAY be stallion material” because they are already declared stallion material with the licensing and can breed in the first year !
And if you go through the main licensing, they have to be auctioned of unless you declare in advacne (after preselection).
Mardell, it’s interesting what you (and others) observed ring-side of the Totalis. In the video he doesn’t look bad at all, neither grounded nor overweight. He looks light in front at trot, attentive, active behind, with a good walk. And these are candid videos not fancy edited stallion promos.
Funny how the real thing can be a let down. This is definately something to keep in mind
what you need to realize is that the video for all of these colts is indeed a promotional video and done for marketing purposes. So it is not “raw” and is edited for best impression. In the video, probably filmed at least three weeks earlier, he was lighter weight wise than in person.
You only get 1 side view of the horse and not front and back where you can judge the legs and correctness. That side view is set up for the best possible impression as well.
This year’s stallion crop was very strong for the most part. Many will go on to get good results both breeding and performance. There were a few that were not licensed that were, in my opinion, and only tha,t MY opinion, better than the Totilas.
Alexandra is correct. The United had no walk to speak of. The rhythm was inconsistent and no swing in the back. His trot was a money trot though and these days, that is what attracts attention and most leave out the rest of the “package”. It takes THREE correct gaits to do anything in sport. walk is not something you can “add” or “Fix”.
You really have to wonder why anyone would buy such a horse? You are essentially screwed at any level of dressage sport if you have an impure walk so as a sport horse there is no possibility. Are people going to breed to a stallion like that?? Just seems weird.
Marydell, I didn’t realise the video link (in an earlier post) was a promotional video. It looked like it was taken by someone in the stands. If it were my promo I would have edited out a whole lot of the hooning around by the jump shute
I have no doubt at all that there are nicer horses going forward to testing. I was just surprised that this horse was quite so disliked. Even more reason to do your homework before using a stallion
