Remember this is America the land of the FREE.Would you be one of people who does not like freedom of speech and wants to be above the law?
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by goldy:
…and the cop never went after the reporter who did a sick report on him years ago. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Goldy - where can we find that story? Understanding how they think there is a tie in to your father would be very helpful in figuring this out.
And I just wanted to point out that the Feds may not have solved the Brach murder, they did catch a whole lot of other people for a whole lot of other things during the course of Brach investigations. Not the same, I know, but useful to be sure.
SCFarm
Alright, I confess. I’m a secret special agent of the Alias/Jennifer Garner persuasion. In fact, I look JUST like her (minus the pregnant belly of course). Lyrical is my contact for the Virginia horse country region. We work separately but sometimes together unraveling conspiracies and solving murders. Some day we will graduate to exacting justice but we have to do some remedial studying in karate first.
Now Goldy, I am sensing you are not of the camp that feels the Jaynes (or at least Frank Jayne) should be in jail or is involved in Brach’s murder. Why is that?
Goldy, I can’t find the article on-line right now. I will look harder tomorrow night.
No, I don’t blame you at all and know you are frustrated. And I do SO understand how and why horses get into your blood! 
But just as frustration will never get you anywhere with a horse, it won’t help you now with this. The answer with horses and life is the same - to get the result you want you must be calm and reasonable. I don’t mean to lecture you, I am just trying to help and to understand.
A great old horse told me once that “patience is the anticipation of success”. I have found it quite useful in many aspects of life. If you believe in your father as much as you do, you will find the patience to see this through. Hang in there and keep it up.
SCFarm
Also I must kindly add that my Dad was not in any deals you are assuming he was. He was left in the dark about these happening! " Only the facts Mam "
Pacificsolo… My purpose is to undo millions of people who have heard the lies and think these JERKS are telling the truth. The misuse of power by a certain repoter is SICK > The Tribune was the only place we got balanced reporting I wish I felt comfortable telling you who I am. The people who are close to me and others who believed the news at first now know the TRUTH and can see how it all was put together.
I love You! God Bless You!!!
God Bless this wonderful country that I have LOVED SOOOO MUCH. For the first time in my life I have been thinking of moving!!!
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Cindeye:
I thought that we had already established that The Candy Lady was with Old School, Pleemons/PlemmOns/Plemmens, and CP on a leaky houseboat in FLA. Did I miss something? Or was she in Vegas with Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa? I better start dranken again 'cause I’m aghasted at this confusion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, no, no.
It was in the drawing room with a cadlestick.
Please try to keep up with the latest developments.
Snowbird - According to the Goudie articles(ABC7)/Joe Plemons interveiws Goldy’s father was paid $350K - $750K. That seems to exclude everybody else who was supposedly involved. Here’s the link:
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/specialsegments/033105_ss_brach.html
The site that hosts that article is the “Illinois Police & Sheriff’s News” website. It also appears on several other sites which show up when you google “Silas Jayne”.
Gene O’Shea also seems to have written a book called “Unbridled Rage: A True Story of Organized Crime, Corruption, and Murder in Chicago” about Silas Jayne and the murder of the three young boys in 1955. It has been published fairly recently - after Ken Hansen was convicted of their murders in 1996 (and again in a retrial in 2002).
There is also a Gene O’Shea that is with the Chicago gaming commission, which would explain how he knows so much about the mob histories. But I can’t be sure it’s the same guy.
SCFarm
Why would you have been following threads on the Brach murder on this board for months silently and then choose to start a new topic now?
I don’t even recall any recent threads…but I could be mistaken. This is why some suspect you are a troll…
i cant follow this at all and it way too early to have a martini 
Is thenk yous tying mes withs my boner,
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>No he’s at the jail lie berry </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nice one!
Ahhhhhhhhhh. Coreene’s back. All’s right with the world.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>That’s weird if the evidence was compelling enough for the jury why wouldn’t the FBI dump those two guys instead of giving them applause. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well Snowbird, that might be because that article is written by a reporter, and of course, has an agenda…make a good story for the readers. But I think there are more shades of grey than the article indicates. Here is the same story from a judicial review site, that takes a little more pragmatic approach. It certainly suggests that Manning was not a real squeaky clean fellow. That does not, however, justify their actions, and lends credence to the belief that the Agency operates under its own standards of lawfulness, at times!
Steven L. Manning, a former Chicago police officer and FBI informant, was sentenced to death by Cook County Circuit Court Judge Edward M. Fiala, Jr., on November 22, 1993, for the murder of James Pellegrino, a suburban trucker and former Manning business partner. The conviction and death sentence rested primarily on the testimony of a jailhouse informant, Thomas Dye.
Manning was exonerated on January 19, 2000, after which he was sent to Missouri, where he remained in prison on unrelated charges until February 26, 2004, when he also was exonerated of those charges. Manning filed a federal civil rights suit against his former FBI handlers, Robert Buchan and Gary Miller, whom he accused of framing him because he refused to continue working for them.
The Pellegrino murder
Pellegrino left home on May 14, 1990, after purportedly telling his wife Joyce that if he turned up dead she should call the FBI and report that Manning had killed him. She did exactly that after Pellegrino’s body was found floating in the Des Plaines River near the Lawrence Avenue Bridge in Chicago on June 3. He had been shot in the head. His wrists and ankles were bound with duct tape and his head was in a plastic bag and covered with a towel.
The informant
On July 26, 1990, Manning was arrested and placed in the Cook County Jail, where the FBI arranged for him to be assigned to a cell with Dye, a notorious con man, jailhouse informant, and cocaine dealer with a long criminal record, including ten felony convictions, dating to 1978. Dye had recently been sentenced to 14 years in prison on theft and firearms charges and was awaiting trial in three other felony cases.
Dye soon reported that Manning had confessed to the Pellegrino murder. Since Dye was a known liar and perjurer, his claim carried little credibility without corroboration. In an effort to substantiate it, Cook County Assistant State’s Attorneys Patrick J. Quinn and William G. Gamboney arranged for Dye to record conversations with Manning. On six hours of tape, Manning proceeded to say certain things that cast him in an unfavorable light, but there was nothing on the tapes about Pellegrino.
The Missouri charges
Before the trial, Manning was taken to Clay County, Missouri, to face trial for the purported kidnaping of two Kansas City drug dealers, Charles Ford and Mark Harris. Although the alleged crime occurred in 1984, the charges were not filed until July 20, 1990, six days before Manning’s arrest in the Pellegrino case.
Dye proposed to Manning that they create a phony alibi for the Kansas City crime. With FBI approval, Dye’s girlfriend, Sylvia Herrera, then met with Manning to concoct an alibi and thus became the Missouri prosecutors’ star witness. The supposed victims could not identify Manning, but the sister of one of them tentatively picked him out of a photo spread. Her identification was uncertain, however, and she failed to identify him in the courtroom.
A 1991 trial ended in a mistrial, due to a hung jury, but Manning was convicted at his second trial in January of 1992. Clay County Circuit Court Judge Frank Conley sentenced him to two consecutive life terms plus 100 years. The harsh sentences were based on Manning’s prior record. He had been convicted in Cook County in March of 1987 of a $260,000 jewelry heist and sentenced to four years. As a result of that case, Manning was discharged from the Chicago police force and became an FBI informant.
The Cook County trial and Dye’s quid pro quo
Even though no physical evidence linked Manning to the Pellegrino murder, Quinn and Gamboney proceeded to take Manning to trial before Judge Fiala and a jury in 1993. Because the murder allegedly had occurred during an armed robbery, it was a capital offense.
Dye testified that Manning had confessed to the crime during six hours of taped conversations, but the recordings contained no such admission. Dye’s explanation for the missing admissions were that they occurred during two brief gaps in the tapes, one of which resulted from a malfunction and the other from Dye accidentally covered the microphone, which was tucked into his underwear.
Judge Fialia also permitted Joyce Pellegrino to testify that her husband had told her that if he turned up dead Manning killed him.
The jury found Manning guilty and, after he waived his right to a jury sentencing hearing, he was sentenced to death by Fiala. The prosecutors then arranged for Dye’s 14-year prison sentence to be cut to six years.
The Illinois reversal
On April 16, 1998, the Illinois Supreme Court reversed the conviction and remanded the case for a new trial, holding that Fiala had erred in allowing the jury to hear both Joyce Pellegrino’s testimony and the Dye-Manning tapes, which contained irrelevant and prejudicial references to other crimes allegedly committed by Manning. On January 19, 2000, prosecutors dropped the charges. Manning thus became the thirteenth person exonerated and released from death row after capital punishment was resumed in 1977 in Illinois.
The Missouri reversal
Upon his release in Illinois, Manning was returned to Missouri to serve the prescribed sentences for his 1992 kidnaping conviction, which had been affirmed by the Missouri Appellate Court in 1994. After U.S. District Court Judge Ortrie D. Smith denied Manning’s petition for a writ of habeas corpus, Manning appealed.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit reversed and remanded the case on the ground of government misconduct, ineffective assistance of counsel, and judicial error. The government’s use of an informant planted in Manning’s cell violated his constitutional right to counsel and, as a result Judge Frank Conley should have suppressed it, said the Eighth Circuit, adding that the failure of Manning’s trial counsel to object to the introduction of Sylvia Herrera’s testimony was ineffective assistance of counsel. created a circumstance ripe for its agents to elicit incriminating statements from petitioner in the absence of counsel. The Eight Circuit order barred Sylvia Herrera from testifying at the retrial, leaving Clay County prosecutors with no case.
On February 26, 2004, all charges were dropped, and Manning walked free after 14 years in custody for convictions predicated on informant testimony.
This case summary was prepared by Rob Warden, executive director of the Center on Wrongful Convictions;Northwestern University of Law, Chicago, Ill. It may be reprinted, quoted, or posted on other web sites with appropriate attribution.
No hit aint cindeye too drunk two early… with thisa herea hurry a kane a cummin weez gotcha stat a doin sum tin cuz dis deer pow a be guttin out and a no tric ity to play on da bords. poring 1 fist of ton of tini’s apel dat tiz!!
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by goldy:
Seriously I do not expect many of you to believe me. You have been conned by Gowdy, Plemmens and the Feds and they sounded very convincing.Also you have never heard what I am saying before.I have never been more certain of anything in my life and I have the evedence which I can not share with you tonight. Unless you have any other questions I will say Good Night> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Where is the body? 
Or is she halfing dinks wiff Fido castro an Elian GONEzalez? 
I do not have a problem with nobody responing now. People are doing research and living their lives. We have had a major problem with Katrina and that is far more important at this time!Many people are in a terrible position right now and that needs to be taken care of first!I can not imagine the horror that people in New Orleans and other places in that area are going through. I hope that many of us are doing what ever we can for the people who are affected by Katrina. My issue does not even come close to their lives!
Psycic Knew Helen Brach Was Incinerated htp://www.ghostlytalk.com/modules.php?op=moload&name=News&file=article&si=243
