Cindeye - Could you please ask King Arthur if he would give us some description and history of his horse? I’d love to hear it directly from him, as all I’ve heard is rumor and gossip. Thanks so much in advance.
Well then, quit spelling things properly already! Crimany people, we are trying to outwit the intelligent electronic eavesdropping devices! Or at least we are trying to outwit the integilligence agencies. Or someone intelligent… I think… 
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Andrew:
I can see were bumpin pimpin down dear rode againe… BUT befer weez duzz kaint someun out dare fix me a sour apple tini on the rox’s in a TALL glass paleezze 
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>Andrew, dear…let’s not drag Rox Dene into this, too! She would never deign to be seen in such company 
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Snowbird:
You see it’s really Hard, I wonder if Joe get’s really Hard? Is that his secret weapon? Well, anyway I don’t think that it’s alien posession. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>SNORT Snowbird made a funny. AND, she said, “fart.” SNORT
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by ohnowwhat:
Goldy, what about Agent Rotunno? Know him? Heard of him? Do you know how he fits in the scheme of things?
It’s not very mysterious … no comment? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Are you talking about this?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-05080…mn?coll=chi-news-col
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Some of you might think I am a nut case or poor speller but I informed the Chicago Tribune weeks before the interviewed him and told them his plan to make big money on a book. Guess what they ask him and he told the Tribune that he will write a book.
Thank you goldy, I think this is right thing, all people want is the truth. I’ve had my experience with the Press when we had our barn fire. They can be vicious and will anything to spice a story and pick up their rating.
The press is very careful in the way they phrase things and it is hard to prove they deliberately told a mistruth. Look at the reporter scandals from big names supposedly with integrity caught in publishing unsubstantiated stories.
This all makes perfect sense to me. If a struggling reporter graps the bit and runs with an untrue story there is little honest people can do to defend themselves. The crooked people know how to play which is why they can be crooked and free to scam us for our money.
Goldy never said that he was a Trainer. There are a 1000 support industries related to horses. The posts lead me to conclude that like his father he has become a farrier.
You all know that a lot of time there can be a family business and the children don’t know much else in their lives. A college education simply “hopefully” will make you better in this sport.
My daughters went to college and Steffi is a certified licensed teacher, but she applies that training to teaching riding.
I think the reporter was only thinking of having a scoop and the Skokie policeman was handy. He wasn’t a target. Here one reporter tried to make our fire into violations of the building code and a fraud. If I didn’t have an inspection report from the labor board of the facilities just 10 days before, and if we had not been grandfathered for horses and if I was not experienced with the press I could be in jail now because how would I know if a mouse had chewed a wire and created a short circuit.
The arson squads were able to prove that the couple in the barn started the fire themselves or I might have been convicted of manslaughter because three people died. The fact that I was innocent would not have stood up without proof and knowledge.
How can anyone defend against hearsay evidence from any prejudiced and mean spirited reporter
protected by the First Amendment.
If one day I am invited on Oprah anyone who doubts me will see. Oprah will prove to be a great fan of myn I am sure!!!
Wow! That is a fascinating tangent to this story and could totally explain why Goldy if he is who he says is defending his Dad who was just maybe a cop in a small town and with a family to support afraid from the get go.
I didn’t need to sign up for anything to get on the article. It does create a larger perspective than just crooked horse traders taking advantage of old widows. And inthe context of the times it sounds very plausible.
I had not realized the relationship of Silas Jayne to those boys.
Radio Talk you’re right; I have no way to be sure of who goldy might be. BUT I have a Hungarian gypsy intuition and I think he’s real and in pain. It might be one of the good things we all do in our lives if we can help him to get this all into perspective.
Goldy,
Thats’ Great…But Even Though I worked in the Horse Business Throughout the “Silas” Years
And I Understand The Horse Business through and through…Who Are You??? and What Do You Have to Add??
I was even around for Benny O’Meara “The Great One”
My guess would be Asian.
OK, folks. Sorry it has taken me so long to get this posted, but the Katrina disaster has had been a prioity for my time and attention, as I’m sure it has been for all of you as well.
I have been puzzled by Plemmon’s motivation for coming forward when he did, and making the “expose” he did. It’s not that I don’t believe his explanation, but…I just don’t believe him in general. 
Lets go back to the year 1995, when Ken Hansen was finally charged with the murder of the three boys who were found dead in 1955, 40 years after the crime was committed…
His friend of 25 or so years, Joe Plemmons, was one of the witnesses for the prosecution:People v. Hansen, No. 1-95-4033 and 1-98-2295
‘Joe Plemmons testified that he met the defendant in 1970 or 1971 and subsequently began leasing part of the Sky High Stables from him. Plemmons and the defendant were driving home from a party together in May 1972 when the defendant said that his brother Curt “held those boys over his head like a club.” In April 1976, the defendant commented that “it was either the boys or him” because “in 1955 to be gay was unacceptable.” On another occasion, in 1988, the defendant acknowledged to Plemmons that he worried about being caught for the murders of the three boys. Plemmons admitted that he had been convicted of fraud in 1992, that he was on probation for that offense, and that he has been known by three or four aliases.’
The evidence from Plemmons and other witnesses was convincing enough to send Ken Hansen to jail for 200 to 300 years for the 1955 murders. In my opinion, Plemmons’ recall about what Hansen said and what year he said it, considering it covered a 25 year span of their relationship, was quite impressive.
The defense immediately filed a motion for a new trial, and Plemmons as well as other witnesses’ testimony at the original trial was objected to by the defense>
People of the State of Illinois vs Kenneth Hansen BRIEF AND APPENDIX OF DEFENDANT-APPELLANT
‘Joe Plemmons, who was 47 years of age at the time of trial (H163), met the defendant in 1970 or 1971 at a horse show. (Id.) Plemmons had been convicted of larceny (H198), admitted that he had used false names to steal (H204-05), admitted that he had stolen $100,000 in California (H205), and revealed that he had secured a sentence reduction by cooperating in this case. (H196.)On direct examination, Plemmons was asked about conversations he had had with the defendant about a man named Wally Holly. (H169-171.) In response to a question from the prosecution, Plemmons stated that “Wally Holly told me that Ken Hansen had killed three boys.” (H171.) Defendant’s motion for a mistrial was denied. (H172.)Plemmons also related to the jury a conversation he had had with the defendant in 1972, and over objection, testified that the defendant had stated that his brother Curt “held those boys over his head like a club.” (H176.)Plemmons was also permitted to testify over defense objection that in April of 1976, the defendant had told him that “it was either the boys or himthat in 1955 to be gay was unacceptable, that society wouldn’t take it.” (H184.)According to Plemmons, defendant made this last statement after Plemmons had stated to defendant that “you said you killed three boys.” (H184.)Plemmons also testified about a conversation he had had with the defendant in 1988, when in response to criticism from defendant, Plemmons hadstated “Don’t be ragging at (me). My life has been bad but you killed three kids.” (H186.) Plemmons made several references to George Jayne, and defendant’s alleged involvement in the murder of George Jayne (H186-87) and the trial judge instructed the jury to disregard Plemmons’ testimony about what he had told the defendant. (H192.)According to Plemmons, during a 1988 conversation with defendant, he had asked defendant if he was worried about being caught by the police for the murder of the boys. (H194.) Plemmons claimed that defendant’s response was that “he was scared that something would pop up and that he would be caught.”(H194.)’
So, Plemmon’s motivation for ratting out is long time associate, was not because he was sickened that Hansen was a child molester and sexual predator, or that he murdered the three boys in cold blood, or that he was involved in the murder os Silas Jayne’s brother George, or that he was involved with Wally Holly and the other horse killers for insurance frauds…but solely to secure a sentence reduction for himself. Plemmons conviction was in 1991, and Hansens first trial in 1995, so the feds had Plemmons handy and ready, willing and able to testify against Hansen.
…to be continued. 
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Radio, he says he is in the horse business, but I diddn’t see anything that alluded to him being a BNT…or did I miss something? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
no…he only said he was in the “horse business.” However, my first thought was ‘why not sue the paper???’ Goldy and his family have obviously retained the services of a few attorneys, so there must be a reason they did not pursue it. Maybe Goldy can shed some light on that?
I have a feeling this is story is a real monster, and we have just been given a peek at one of it’s tentacles. 
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”> This is about the truth exposing lies. Joe Plemmon’s had nothing to do with the Helen Brach Murder. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Alright then, since you know all - tell us your best Colonel Mustand in the kitchen with a knife tale. Who did it and where is she?
By the way, how old are you if you’re toting your English teacher around?
Helllllllllllo. Am I being paged?
Rats, I’m always last to the party. Guess I’ll just have to crack open the Remy Martin and have a hefty snifter to catch up with everyone. Maybe after five or six snifters, this will start to make sense.
The money timeline as I know it from some really quick google searching:
1977 - Helen disappears. There is a will, but her attorney won’t let anyone see it because there is no proof she is dead. The court appoints an Independent 3rd party lawyer to oversee the money & pay bills (not her acct. who had been managing her money) and asks this appointee to try and find out what happened to her and what she would want to do. He doesn’t have much luck and doesn’t get much cooperation from those who know/knew her.
1980 - Appointee tells court he hasn’t figured out anything. Court agrees that she is orricial missing and can be declared dead in 1984. I don’t know who gets control of the money at this point.
1984 - Court declares Helen dead and her will is read. Money goes to her brother (but I think is doled out over the years somehow - not clear on this), to animal welfare non-profits (again some sort of trust account), with smaller amounts going to individuals (like the “butler”). Again, I don’t know who is managing all this, how many trusts there are, how much was in each one, or how much is left now.
Nor do I know where the initial, well publisized 20 million figure came from or whether it refered to her worth in 1977, 1980 or 1984. As far as I can tell, the estate is not tied up now. Nor was the will in dispute or irregular in anyway. It all just had to wait for 7 years until she was “decared” dead. There were issues around what to do in the mean time, since 20 million (in cash and assets?) doesn’t just sit around - it must be managed and bills must be paid, real estate must be maintained, etc.
I am not sure the motivation was the direct inheritance of the moeny. It seems that the “no body” issue was a problem for those who would inherit directly. Unless the time lapse was helpful in averting any suspisions. The time lapse would also help any previous money trails go cold if one were tryiong to coverup irregularities from before Helen’s disappearance/murder.
Remember, the whole investigation is hamstrung by the fact that no one can prove that she was dead. So no one had the “right” to go mucking around in her personal finances, as she might pop back up at any given time.
The other time lapse issue was the two weeks (or so) that passed before her “butler” filed a missing persons report. And during which he and her brother destroyed a bunch of her personal papers and journals.
I think the timing issues are every bit as interesting as the money issues, if not more so. The are linked somehow in some important ways - if not directly, then indirectly. But following the money is often easier and should at least touch on and involve the murder itself.
Why was it so important that a body not be found? All I can guess is that that buys an awful lot of time - to cover up an awful lot of things and put an awful lot of distance between the players.
Just amusing myself with speculations here. Goldy asked us, basicly, to look at things from a different perspective. Maybe this isn’t the one he wants, but it is a little different.
What I don’t understand is this - are the “powers-that-be” supposedly involved in the murder? Or are they just covering the fact that they were inept at solving it? Or are/were they simply using Helen’s murder as a way to “take out” other people that they were too inept to catch directly (using Helen’s murder to set them up)?
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Snowbird… If you look back at the info I have given you so far there is alot of new stuff. Only the Feds, Joe and that reporter know. The repoter is still somewhat clueless of some of the missinformation he has released. It goes back 12 years that repoter has a personnel bone to pick with the Former Police Seargent. His anger and stupidity & amount of LIES in this investigation poor poor following up his info and LIES has just made this investigation made up from a totally amazing amount of lies. It is beyond SICK!!!
We are aware and caring more than you may realize but sometimes you need to divert yourself from such just to stay sane.
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‘Fats’ Domino Missing in New Orleans
Thursday, September 01, 2005
By Roger Friedman
Before NBC, MTV or anyone else puts on a telethon to help victims of Hurricane Katrina, they might want to explore some ancillary issues. To
wit: New Orleans is a city famous for its famous musicians, but many of them are missing. Missing with a capital M.
To begin with, one of the city’s most important legends, Antoine “Fats”
Domino, has not been heard from since Monday afternoon. Domino’s rollicking boogie-woogie piano and deep soul voice are not only part of the Rock ‘n’ Roll Hall of Fame but responsible for dozens of hits like “Blue Monday,” “Ain’t That a Shame,” “Blueberry Hill” and “I’m Walking (Yes, Indeed, I’m Talking).”
Domino, 76, lives with his wife Rosemary and daughter in a three-story pink-roofed house in New Orleans’ 9th ward, which is now under water.
On Monday afternoon, Domino told his manager, Al Embry of Nashville, that he would “ride out the storm” at home. Embry is now frantic.
Calls have been made to Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco’s office and to various police officials, and though there’s lots of sympathetic response, the whereabouts of Domino and his family remain a mystery.
In the meantime, another important Louisiana musician who probably hasn’t been asked to be in any telethons is the also legendary Allen Toussaint.
Another Rock Hall member, Toussaint wrote Patti LaBelle’s hit “Lady Marmalade” and Dr. John’s “Right Place, Wrong Time.”
His arrangements and orchestrations for hundreds of hit records, including his own instrumentals “Whipped Cream” and “Java”
are American
staples. (He also arranged Paul Simon’s hit, “Kodachrome.”)
Last night, Toussaint was one of the 25,000 people holed up at the New Orleans Superdome hoping to get on a bus for Houston’s Astrodome. I know this because he got a message out to his daughter, who relayed to it through friends.
Also not heard from by friends through last night: New Orleans’s “Queen of Soul” Irma Thomas, who was the original singer of what became the Rolling Stones’ hit, “Time is On My Side.”
Let’s hope and pray it is, because while the Stones roll through the U.S. on their $450-a-ticket tour, Thomas is missing in action. Her club, The Lion’s Den, is under water, as are all the famous music hot spots of the city.
Similarly, friends are looking for Antoinette K-Doe, widow of New Orleans wild performer Ernie K-Doe. The Does have a famous nightspot of their own on N. Claiborne Avenue, called the Mother-in-Law Lounge, in honor of Ernie’s immortal hit, “The Mother-in-Law Song.”
Ernie K-Doe, who received a 1998 Pioneer Award from the Rhythm and Blues Foundation, died in 2001 at age 65.
Dry and safe, but in not much better shape, is the famous Neville family of New Orleans. Aaron Neville and many members of the family evacuated on Monday to Memphis, where they are now staying in a hotel.
But most of the Nevilles’ homes are destroyed, reports their niece and my colleague at “A Current Affair,” Arthel Neville. She went down to her hometown yesterday and called me from a boat that was trying to get near town.
“This isn’t like having two feet of water in your basement,” she said, holding back tears. “Everything is destroyed. I am just so lucky to have been born here and to have had the experience of New Orleans.”
She confirmed that there had been rumors of dead bodies floating around her Uncle Aaron’s house yesterday. So far, the Nevilles are unannounced to participate in Friday’s TV telethon.
And still there are plenty of other famous musicians associated with New Orleans who would probably like to be on TV if they’re high and dry.
The Marsalis family comes from the city, and they’ve played at most of the well known clubs like Tipitina’s, The Maple Leaf, Preservation Hall and Muddy Waters.
New Orleans is also one of the few cities with a House of Blues. And Jimmy Buffet’s Margharitaville Café chain has a local franchise that is still an attraction.
New Orleans’ trademark sounds are Cajun and Zydeco. So far none of the listed benefits have named an act that plays that kind of music.
‘Musician’s paradise’ lost?
New Orleans’ future at risk but spirit will last, pros say
September 1, 2005
By THOR CHRISTENSEN / The Dallas Morning News
The future of musicians such as Doreen’s Jazz Band (top) and landmarks such as Preservation Hall are in question.
“This could really cripple it,” says Jon Cleary, one the city’s best- known keyboardists, speaking by phone from Los Angeles, where he’s recording with Bonnie Raitt.
“A lot of the fans who have money to go see music will be leaving the city - and without audiences, clubs can’t pay musicians, and then nobody gets gigs.”
“New Orleans has been a musician’s paradise,” says Chris Lee of the rock band Supagroup. “But if musicians start leaving, that cool vibrant music scene could be gone.”
Although New Orleans is synonymous with jazz - a sound invented at the dawn of the 1900s and later perfected by Louis Armstrong - it’s also been a major spawning ground for R&B, funk and rock ‘n’ roll. The city has nurtured musical dynasties: the Nevilles, the Marsalis family and music landmarks such as Preservation Hall. Little Richard and Ray Charles made key early records there, as did Fats Domino, one of the city’s most famous residents.
“I heard Fats Domino’s house is under water,” says bassist Robert Mercurio of the New Orleans funk-rock band Galactic, by phone from Seattle. “There’s so much heritage, but I’m sure a lot of those old homes and recording studios will be ruined.”
“History is literally drowning,” says Mr. Lee by phone from Memphis.
“Bourbon Street will always be there, but that’s almost exclusively full of cover bands, and there are a ton of really classic old jazz places that aren’t gonna come back.”
New Orleans is also famous for its annual springtime Jazz & Heritage Festival, which draws hundreds of thousands of music lovers from around the U.S. More recently it’s hosted a big annual rock fest, the Voodoo Music Experience, which is scheduled for Oct. 29-30.
There’s no official word yet on the fate of those festivals, but Mr.
Mercurio worries a lot of music fans will stop coming: "New Orleans really survives off of out-of-towners, and people will think: ‘Do I really wanna visit there now? Maybe I’ll wait a few years.’ "
All three musicians had yet to find out what condition their homes were in Wednesday.
“I’m going on the assumption that it’s all gone - my studio, my guitars, my keyboards, all my work,” says Mr. Cleary, who lives in the Bywater neighborhood near the French Quarter. “And even if the house survived, I’m worried that people have looted everything in it.”
“I heard big clubs like Tipitina’s and House of Blues are fine,” says Mr. Mercurio, “but I’m more afraid about all the little clubs where the local musicians play. If the little clubs are gone - or if they take years to be rebuilt - the community will never be the same.”
The city is blessed with dozens of funky little nightspots like the Circle Club, the Maple Leaf and the Rock ‘n’ Bowl. But clubs or no clubs, the spirit of New Orleans music will still survive, says Mr. Cleary.
“They could tear the whole place to the ground and within a couple of weeks, you’d hear somebody walking around playing a trumpet,” he says.
“Thank God we have music. It’s the one thing a hurricane can’t blow away.” </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Gee gosh everybody, quit picking on Goldy’s spelling and logic! I want to hear everything about Helen and Joe! Finally the mystery will be solved and we will all know everything! Won’t that be so cool?
So please everyone, just drink quietly, sit back and listen to Goldy tell us everything we always wanted to know!
Alright Goldy, they will all be quiet now so you can tell us everything from the very beginning. Go right ahead. We’ll all be really good and quiet. Right everyone?
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Psychic Knew Helen Brach Was Incinerated
Posted by: Havoc on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 01:45 PM
Chicago. The case of Helen Brach’s disappearance has been a mystery for 28 years. Sources close to the investigation say it may soon be solved, but did a now-deceased psychic know what happened years ago?
Investigator: Psychic Knew Helen Brach Was Incinerated
State’s Attorney Wouldn’t Pursue Psychic’s Leads, Woman Says
POSTED: 7:34 pm CST January 10, 2005
UPDATED: 7:59 am CST January 11, 2005
CHICAGO – The case of Helen Brach’s disappearance has been a mystery for 28 years. Sources close to the investigation say it may soon be solved, but did a now-deceased psychic know what happened years ago?
In 1991, investigators from the Cook County State’s Attorney’s Office traveled to Nutley, N.J., to see the famed psychic Dorothy Allison. One investigator’s notes from the interview contain a chilling similarity to the story that sources say is being told by a federal informant, Unit 5’ s Renee Ferguson reported.
The handwritten pages on lined paper are now yellowed with age. But former investigator Catherine Denenberg said that when she saw NBC5’s report last week, part of it sent her into shock.
My jaw hit the ground. My jaw hit the ground. I said, ‘Wait, this isn’t new news,’" Denenberg said.
Denenberg said the psychic told investigators in 1991 that Helen Brach’s body was taken to Inland Steel and incinerated. That detail was only revealed publicly last week.
“I can’t believe the psychic was right about that part of it – that there was an incinerator involved in the story some how,” Denenberg said.
Denenberg showed NBC5 notes she claims to have kept from the 1991 meeting with Allison. The investigator said the psychic wrote “they burned her” in one of the notes.
In a 1988 memorandum from an even earlier trip to the psychic, Denenberg wrote, “Ms. Allison felt that Mrs. Brach met death by fire/cremation and enroute, one would pass a Windsor Street. She also mentioned a Charles Reed – either a person, place or thing – possibly an incinerator.”
Denenberg said her notes have been in storage for more than a decade, but she pulled them out after hearing Unit 5’s reports.
“It’s very odd; it makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up a little bit,” she said. “It could be coincidence, but the fact that she said incinerator, and now everyone is saying incinerator?”
Sources said Brach’s houseman Jack Matlik is implicated in the case. However, informants said the shooter is someone else.
Denenberg said that among her notes are the results of a lie detector test that Matlik allegedly failed. She said he was thought to be lying when asked if he knew what happened to Brach.
Allison died several years ago, so anything else she may have known about the case will remain untold.
Denenberg said the state’s attorney, Jack O’Malley, would not allow investigators to pursue the leads they got from the psychic.
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Lyrical, they would have to be willing to reveal everything and they cannot try to control what info they want to share and what they don’t. Goldy mentions how his father made a good deal of money after retiring. To show he wasn’t paid off he would need to show the source of that.
His father needs to tell his own story though, if he is wrongly accused.
