Helen Brach & Joe Plemmens

whew…all sound and fury, signifying nothing!
Goldy, you need to take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard. It is very easy to “push your buttons” and cause you to go off the deep end with your posts. (I probably would do the same if it were my father, but I also hope someone would say these words to me, if i did.) Causing you to go “off the deep end” derails the train of thought and discussion on the thread, and it takes pages to get things back on track again.
Whether you like it or not, Tiger Paws has a right to say what he thinks, and you may have to get used to “some” people saying things you don’t want to hear, if you are going to get to the bottom of the story.

Tiger paws, you have given us a different perspective, and may have some valuable insight, or it may just be your unsubstantiated opinion. You said you could post the info on Frank Jrs’ drug case. That would be great if you could, or at least a case number and the court where it was heard. I have not been able to pull that up yet.

If you have some information that would help round this story out, I for one, would be happy to hear it. It would be very helpful, however, to back your story up with as much detail and corroboration as you can, so that what you say is not dismissed as just hot air.
You said Goldy’s dad was Jayne jr’s body guard, that he wore sleeveless shirts to show off his muscle and that he was witness to some of Jayne’s drug deals at the farm. That alone does not make him a likely suspect for having beaten Helen Brach to death. It also is not enough to have him indicted. Do you think he was guilty as Plemmons said he was? If so, why do you think that? Or wny DON’T you think that?

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Left in the dark–he was his body guard for Christ seek. Steven I beleive you are going to find out far more than you would want to about your father. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well now that’s interesting inuendo! “his Body Guard for Christ” YO! that’s quite a statement.

Are we comparing Frank Jayne to Christ? Is that not who you claim Lee Reiter was a body guard for? I think Steven would like to know the truth! If he has been deceived by his father that is something a son needs to know. If Frank Jayne was the “Christ” to some cult of fanatics we need to know? Why would Steven be unhappy if his father was the body guard to “Christ”?

As said by Sigmund Freud a lip of the lip is the door to the unconscious knowledge! Tell me more Tigerpaws.And what does that anonymous name mean exactly? It could mean Tiger paws as in the ground and digging a hole; or are you the claws of the tiger?

Thank you for the spelling lesson, I guess I just have censure on the brain having been censured. But I don’t believe I need to worry, I don’t know any of the bad four letter words. I’m too old and they were invented later.

I am sure that every! every! single person in my family has as good character if not better character than of the people who have said lies about my Dad. So in your digesting all this brillant work many of you are doing I can with total honesty say that my Fathers character will mactch up to any of these liars ,con men and of corse sume blood suckers character. Do not forget that there are places to find out more people besides Joe with some very interesting past being paid lots of money, getting out of jail, getting off crimes and given immunity by some of the people who secret motives for doing it.

These are the best laughs I have had in a long time!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by DMK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Bascule Baby:
I haven’t read much of this thread and keep wondering why it still goes on. Can someone summarize? Is it a joke or is it real? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You wonder, I wonder, we all wonder. But I guess what is important is goldy and nitemare found each other. <insert soft lilting Love Story type music> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do birds suddenly appear
Every time you are near?
aaah aaaaaaah woooo ahhhhhhh
Just like me… they long to be…
Close to you.

Why do stars fall down from the sky
Every time you walk by?
aaah aaaaaaah woooo ahhhhhhh
Just like me… they long to be…
Close to you.

On the day that you were born
The angels got together
And decided to create a dream come true
So they sprinkled moon dust in your hair of gold
And starlight in your eyes of blue.
da-da-daaah… da-da-daaah

<sighing> isn’t love wonderful?

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”> Each one of you can make a big difference! </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”> I also understand that many will not listen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>How can we say it any louder? WE ARE LISTENING & WANT TO HEAR THE TRUTH. How can we make a big difference if we don’t know where to begin, which would start with the truth from you. We need a base!

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Ah the bashing of Chuck Goudie to prove a point - I guess he’ll have to give back his Emmy Award for News Investigative Reporting now. Or the 1998 Peter Lisagor Awards for Exemplary Journalism. Or Illinois Journalist of the Year 2002. Or his Edward R. Murrow Award. Or surrender being named best television reporter by the Illinois Associated Press in 1994. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, I’m not bashing Chuck Goudie, Glimmerglass. But I do think it’s necessary to have balance and try to consider all sides of the story, and all the possibilites. Clearly, his credentials as a reporter are impressive, and that tips the scales of public opinion in his direction, as it did for Dan Rather.

I think some of us take this challenge as our own reality theatre. I for one enjoy the mental exercise. They say if you keep your brain working it holds back old age. So there you have my motivation.

I think we have many pages ago left behind any negativism and are interested in the wonderful research that seems to be coming together. “KNOWLEDGE IS POWER”. I have been very negatively affected by the refusal of the USEF to use it’s rules to prevent Joe Plemmons a self confessed murderer of Helen Brach. Goldy came into our lives and it has put a personal interest into our speculations.

I agree we will not here solve anything but maybe we produce some interesting questions by taking the pieces of the puzzle and looking at them in different perspectives. It certainly is more interesting than worrying about what color rhinestones to glue to your GPA, or what color beeches to wear with what color jacket.

Cian, you superficial judgment of this dialog may be well intended but it shows a closed mind to real efforts. There is a difference between genuine dialog and becoming protagonistic.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”> Maybe he is already investigating this Helen Brach Murder investigation! I have not gotten a response back from him. Also others know that I have attempted before this thread to put the truth out. I am sure there are many checking into this story!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
One other thing,I sort of remember seeing this article before, but forgot to mention it! They may have a ring with a large red stone.It might be said to be alleged potenitial evidence!

Sun Times Article !!!

In 1977, on her last day alive, candy heiress Helen Brach was beaten unconscious at her Glenview home by crooked horsemen.

As they transferred her from the trunk of a Cadillac to a station wagon that would carry her to an Indiana steel mill, she moaned and they dropped her blanket-wrapped body.

One of the men was ordered at the barrel of a shotgun to finish her off with a revolver. He fired two bullets into the blanket and her body “jumped.” The horsemen then hauled her to a blast furnace where she disappeared forever.

That’s the chilling account one of the horsemen gave last year to Cook County prosecutors and a U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent, court records show.

‘Now you know everything’

The man – granted immunity from prosecution by State’s Attorney Richard Devine’s office – confessed he shot Brach and witnessed her body go up in flames in a steel mill off Interstate 65 near Gary, Ind.

“Now you know everything that I’ve had to live with all these years,” the man told authorities in a meeting in a Pennsylvania motel room in October.

The Chicago Sun-Times is not naming the man because he is not charged with a crime.

Sources said investigators have gathered physical evidence and witness statements that corroborate what the alleged killer told them.
<span class=“ev_code_RED”>Among the potential evidence is a white-gold ring with a large red stone the informant said he found on the ground after Brach’s body was transferred to the station wagon. A source said the informant is believed to still have the ring.</span>

Despite the informant’s confession, no charges have been filed in Brach’s disappearance.

Case remains open

“The Brach case remains an open investigation,” said John Gorman, a spokesman for the state’s attorney.

Thomas Ahern, spokesman for ATF, said some work remains, but “the agents who investigated this case for many years feel confident the information the prosecutors are reviewing clearly shows who is involved in her murder.”

On Tuesday, attorney Kathleen Zellner entered 46 pages of investigative reports on the Brach case into the court record in an attempt to get her client, Richard Bailey, freed from federal prison.

Bailey was sentenced to life in prison after pleading guilty in 1995 to defrauding Brach. He faced 135 months in prison on the fraud conviction.

But U.S. District Judge Milton Shadur decided that evidence presented at his two-week sentencing hearing showed Bailey was involved in Brach’s death. As a result, Shadur handed Bailey a life prison term.

Zellner asked the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for a new sentencing hearing because the ATF informant said Bailey was not one of the people at Brach’s killing or the disposal of her body. Sources said they are not sure Bailey was not part of the planning.

The informant’s testimony in 2002 helped convict horseman Kenneth Hansen in the 1955 killings of three boys on the Northwest Side. He also testified against Bailey at his sentencing hearing.

Admitted being shooter

In one report filed in court Tuesday, Cook County state’s attorney’s investigator John O’Connell is quoted telling the informant in October that while the informant had revealed “credible information” that was “corroborated,” he needed to reveal the entire truth.

The informant, who was blaming someone else for the killing, then asked to sign an immunity agreement and admitted to being the shooter.

A crooked horseman now in prison had ordered Brach’s death because she was getting ready to reveal that his ring was stealing millions of dollars from her, the informant said.

Participants in the conspiracy had picked up Brach at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota in October 1977 and drove her back to the Chicago area where she was killed, the informant said. A woman allegedly was recruited to pose as Brach and fly home in her airline seat. Several others were also involved in the plot.

All the names of the alleged participants in the killing have been deleted from the investigative reports Zellner entered into the court record. But a source identified two of the unnamed participants as mobsters Victor and Anthony Spilotro. Anthony Spilotro was found dead in an Indiana field in 1986 and Victor died of natural causes.

lightbulb goes on I get it…Goldy is really Erin’s alter. She’s trying to keep us all away from the H/J thread entitled, “Size matters…?”!

Isn’t Jayne still in the slamm anyway?

Goldy drank too much. I think she dead.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>How can we say it any louder? WE ARE LISTENING & WANT TO HEAR THE TRUTH. How can we make a big difference if we don’t know where to begin, which would start with the truth from you. We need a base! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Huuuummmm!

These peoples lies will be totally uncovered when I am through. There is an on going uncovering of a massive web of lies.It is so weird and sick, time will tell how many ways they screwed up on. But the investigation will not be effective on the computer. I must be leaving soon for a small trip. Motives were he hung around the stable jumping horse,s and showing which he had not done since he was a kid. He was always working before and had no time. He began socializing having beers and because he was around Frank they decided to paint him as a bad cop!My Dad has captured murder’s before while Joe was stealing from people!My Dad made some good money after being a cop to suppliment his penson. Remember all the stories you see on Tv in papers and on the web are almost totally one sided.These people put alot of work into putting out these lies. Tv and newspapers are very afraid to put in anything about the Feds doing anything wrong.They will investigate allegations like these for possible months before releasing so the Feds do not come after them. Remember they are above the law and gaining more and more power everyday.You begin to research bad things about the Feds you will see there is not alot because people are scared of what might happen to them!

Some of the sickest people in the horse biz have been paid money to say what the feds want to hear! Getting off crimes, getting out of jail and money will motivate almost any drug adict, criminal or piece of scum to say anything people want to hear!!!

What LLDM and Snowbird said.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by queasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Or, as Greta Garbo said, “Hang on folks, it’s gonna be a bumpy night.” Welllll, I always thought it was Mae West that said that! If it wasn’t, it should have been. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dolls, you got it all wrong-a. It was Bette Davis (Margo Channing the character) in “All About Eve” and it was “Fasten your seatbelts, it’s going to be a bumpy night.” Hopefully I didn’t misquote. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some detectives we are!

SCFarm

NiteMare: Their is alot of eveidence that Matlick did it.there is no body! I heard the investgation was screwed up at he beginning.
I will hold off on some evidence and thoughts I have. I do not want to help the sick tatics to continue. Noone at this point can say I have not given enough info on a public broadcast! The enemy is wathching and as I have said before I will not put all my cards on the table because the enemy in some ways is very clever and will not stop in anyway from achieving their aims! God Bless America!!!

Very interesting, I was able to read the link previously, now it has that lovely goodly up about signing in…

Its about a cold case file that is being written in a book. Released this year thru a publishing house (name escapes me). Book is titled “Unbridled Rage” (has more in the title but that too escaped) by Gene O’Shea. Long story short, about the 3 boys who were murdered in 1955 how they were found next to the bridle path in a ditch. How the witness was never allowed to testify or the investigation went out the door. No follow ups. Alludes to the barn and the goings on of Silas Jayne and the ATF agents who broke the case when it had become a cold case file.

Thank you LLDM