Helen Brach & Joe Plemmens

Follow the Money!

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”> In court records obtained by NBC5’s Renee Ferguson, attorneys quote from Matlick’s sworn statements that he allegedly destroyed Brach’s writings and recordings a month after she disappeared. The records also allege Matlick stole $90,000 of Brach’s money and forged $15,000 in checks.

The documents also state that Matlick spent $75,000 of Brach’s money from 1977 to 1979, stole her Cadillac worth $13,000, told friends that Brach was in Florida when she was not, and took a box of gold coins that later turned up in the possession of a Pittsburg coin dealer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Ski Bum:
yes i regularly see a psychic and believe everything she tells me too. i’ll ask her about JFK and Jimmy Hoffa this afternoon when I see her! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you ask her if Elvis is really dead, too? I heard rumor he was working at a McDonalds in Kansas, hiding from the paparazzi.

Haldol, anyone?

Or maybe Lithium…

I have a few other questions goldy, and they are only meant to generate thought and discussion. Nothing is asked to implicate anyone or anything. Okay? So please know that I dont know the answers, and that is why I am asking. And all questions are asked with the respect that your father deserves, especially since he is a retired Skokie sergeant, and has never been indicted on anything.

  1. Why do you think Jack Matlick got away with allegedly burning all the potential “evidence”? Do you think there is anyway that he could or should be charged with anything?Perhaps he is speaking out now about what really happened. And this is part of a plea bargain to speak out. I am in no way implicating him or anyone in anything, just my opinion and guess or thought!

  2. I saw on a website that Frank Jayne Jr is all set to be paroled on Oct 10, 2005. Do you think Frank Jayne will be charged or let out of prison next month and why?

  3. I am wondering (for the sake of discussion) if there are facts that are unknown about the case. For one thing, has anyone heard anything before about your dad before being involved in this case? So lets say everyone was lying and/or withholding evidence up until now, and there are actually others besides Plemmens who testify to the same story, how can we be sure what happened without allowing the evidence to be presented by law enforcement?

In other words with all due respect, why are you so mistrustful of the FBI, ATF etc? And dont you think for the most part, having your dad being in law enforcement in particular that you have developed a pride or trust in law enforcement and the justice system to get the criminals, and do the right thing ~most of the time~? If your dad never even met Helen Brach etc, which is what I think you said, please forgive me if I have mistated anything, then what has your dad done that they would want to frame him? If they wanted to frame someone wouldnt they choose a better candidate? Again I may be entirely wrong, and likely am, just a thought.

In Chicago especially dont you think it is likely that if something did happen to cover up the truth, that corruption could go either way? Without knowing anyone involved, if corruption railroaded the case, it seems as possible that the police were paid off to cover it up for others, as it is likely that some in law enforcement or organized crime may have actually paid off others because they were involved with the murder.

4.And lastly have you spoken with the private investigator in the case? What do you think about his say on the case?

OK, we have the song, the limerick, drumroll and now the haiku:

Goldy is a troll.
We know that. Now we ask him
share the good drugs, please.

Very, very interesting radio talk! Almost 90 million? Somebodies been managing that money well. I would love to know how much they started with and how much total has been paid out since it’s inception. I’d really love to see how it’s been invested and who gets paid what for keeping it running. Heck, I could just have a blast with the detailed misc. expenses reports.

90 million is almost real money… And tax exempt at that…

SCFarm <who’s wondering about what other Brach money trusts are out there?>

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>goldy
Working Hunter
Posted Sep. 12, 2005 09:34 PM
Thanks for your concern NiteMare. Also many people who created part of the lies about my Father stood by not careing at all while other people lied about him in the news reports. That tells me alot about these peoples character! Don’t you think the feds new my Dad has been in town every year and that he was not hiding in Mexico? In all this time I have not heard one media person say anything about these people who think they are above the law ( That they might be lieing) It is not like I have not put effort into exposing these lies. But what I have found up until now is that not one media person I have contacted will say anything bad about the Feds. So one day I figured that seems to be a dead end. Then I thought about starting this thread.I have found some very wonderful and caring people here. You have no idea how thankful I am to many of you!!Noone in the media seemed to want to touch the TRUTH and put out ( THE REST OF THE STORY ) The Feds and the media often I have learned do not care about truth but just their own agendas! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So if you are in such danger, are being followed, phones tapped and Internet monitored and you want the truth to come out, why not go to a public computer, log on to COTH and tell us what you are dieing to tell us?

I totally agree with you LLDM. Actually I think they denied Bailey his parole but for how long?

Let’s say they did use Joe Plemmons to get the others; if this was closure why not after the confession asy his immunity only applied to what they knew and they didn’t know he shot Helen Brach twice in the head.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by goldy:
… but I informed the Chicago Tribune weeks before the interviewed him and told them his plan to make big money on a book. Guess what they ask him and he told the Tribune that he will write a book. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok - lets go to the heart of the matter. So Joe is fessing up in order to write a tell-all book of his purported “life in the mob and killing an heiress”.

Even if so there are a few problems: (1) admitting to guilt has this funny way of ensuring a criminal conviction, (2) big bucks, with all due respect, for a bottom feeder ‘true crime’ paperback read doesn’t happen, (3) he’s buying himself (if he gets any money) a quick wrongful death lawsuit from the estate of Mrs. H.V. Brach which will chew up the $50 - $75k he’d make at best on the paperback, also (4) ‘son of sam laws’ can easily further ensure no $$ will be seen if convicted.

Bottom line - there is no way to win on this subject.

Oh! Andrew I’m so flattered if you sound like me too!. Wow! Two genius in one place at different times.

Hi Goldy!
I have read what you have to say, and first I want to say I am sorry that the media has spread your fathers name all over the place like they have. And especially since he hasnt been indicted on anything that I have heard of.

Here is what I was wondering, if you dont like the articles about your dad all over the internet, and now find that they are gone, why are you copying and pasting them here for everyone to see?

Isnt it better that they are off the internet? Thanks for getting the word out Goldy!

NiteMare

I do not like when people are framed or lied about. I live my life with integrity and this Joe Plemmens arrest record goes way beyond what most people know and god knows how many crimes he commited that he was not caught. He seems like such a nice person when alot of people meet him and that is how he cons people.I probably know more about the recent Helen Brach case than anyone. So I am here to clear up all the lies.

Goldy - You can stop talking or not. What you are encountering here is just a preveiw of how your story will be recieved. People will question you. And this is the good side of living in the US. People are free to question you - just as you (and others) are free to question our own government. If this were Nazi territory, you wouldn’t have gotten this far!

I challange you to ask yourself a hard question right now. If, by lying, you could put away the likes of Jeffery Dalmer (sp?) or the Son of Sam - would you do it? Or would you let them keep on killing? There were 3 young women, who disappeared off the face of the earth, years before Helen disappeared. They were young, 18, 19, 20 somethings. They never had the chance to have children, who would grow up and come to their defence.

You asked us to think about all this from a different perspective. I issue the same challenge to you. Do you think a good person could lie, even sacrifice the reputation of a fellow law enforcement officer, to stop the disappearances of young women and old ladies who donate money to animal welfare groups? And, by the way, kill horses for money?

We are all human, so I seriously doubt that there is such a thing as perfect justice where imperfect humans are involved.

I just want you to consider the possibility that the Feds have more info on all this than we can dig up. And may, at this point in time, be able to help you clear your father’s name without unraveling “everything”. Maybe there are worse things.

I think you need to ask yourself what your end-game is in all this. Do you just want to clear your father’s name? Or do you want retrobution for those who ruined it? Are you sure you know who your enemies really are?

It seems to me that it is, in fact, important for you know find out as much as you can about what was happening before Helen disappeared. In this case, the enemy of your enemy may very well NOT be your (or your father’s) friend. He would not have been the first or last taken in by seemingly nice horse people. It still happens all the time.

BTW - you know darn well that the drinking (even just a little too much) isn’t going to help or solve anything. You seem like a nice guy in a bad spot, who loves his dad. Maybe growing up during the Watergate scandels in DC has made me a bit, oh, let’s call it jaded. Not all the bad people get caught and convicted, and sometimes good people pay for other’s sins. If your dad is half the man you think he is, all he wants is for you and your family to have a good life. And if scarificing his reputation would ensure that, he would probably do it happily.

What, for you and your father, is the best possible outcome at this point?

SCFarm

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>This is really interesting Lee Reiter never meet Joe Plemmons–My friend Donna Rose/Hunter–Frank Jaynes Jrs. girl friend back then–we were close. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
This sounds like Mike Hunter. Yop should meet him I have!

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by goldy:
Well I am very unhappy that the FEDS are using this Patriot Act in ways it was not intended. They are using it to frame people. It was created to fight terrorism and often it is being used in other ways.Now I know I am confusing some of you but your children might not have the freedoms most of you have taken for granted when they grow up.The Feds power has increased greatly since 9-11 and they are more and more abusing these powers. The Feds are now asking to issue supena’s on there own. Thank god there are some people fighting this. A Senator from California I saw the other day can not believe what they want. I just hope enough people take an interest or our great country is on it’s way down. You can laugh if you want but your children will suffer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good grief, a political statement. Nothing kills fun faster than that (except maybe Joe).

Chicago Tribune April 10, 2005. The Tribune interviewd Joe Plemmon’s and let him give his whole story including planning on writing a book. Then they went into people he had done things to. In summary they said that they felt nothing would become of this. They said words to the afect that he is a con man and can not be trusted!

I think they have destroyed the horse mob.They want the HELEN BRACK MURDER SOLVED PERIOD!!!

Goldy, I am having a hard time with all this.
Could you answer a few questions for me.

Did your father get arrested for this crime? Did he go to jail?
What was the connection between some of these bad people? Did he work for them, was he friends etc? I have not been able to understand some of this from your posts.

Thanks

screw it…this one deserves some rum and coke…

Party Rose, THIS oughta be fun!

(Erin, PLEASE don’t close this!..No Tuesday night could EVER be this much fun!)