I was wondering if any of you can find the Chicago Tribune Article of the interview of Joe Plemmons. April 10.2005 I do not see it on the computer. Their earlier article about Helen Brach from Jan 2005 is. I have many actual newspapers of this article. This is the only balanced article that has come out this year and I find it very funny that for some reason it is very hard to find! Joe also says that all the people he has stole money from had alot. The Tribune points out that this is not true. He swindled a family out of their life savings. I am thinking more and more that no reporters will say anything bad about the Feds because they make their life and get their leads from them so they are bound by an unspoken secrecy to help eachother. Please someone in the MEDIA prove me wrong! Show me that you do not let people who think they are above the law do anything they want even if it is illegal! Please say it is not true . I have a friend who works for a small paper and he said his paper is too small to take on a story like this! What is going on in this world. Something is mighty fishy,evil or downright un american.
I can appreciate the humor and few white russians make me tolerant BUT Geez! jokes about knocking off one of us with a bullet to head I find really hard to laugh at especially since I’m in that age bracket.
You see it’s really Hard, I wonder if Joe get’s really Hard? Is that his secret weapon? Well, anyway I don’t think that it’s alien posession. The last I heard humans were in their food chain and there was a recipe book.
I don’t think it’s government cover-up because cripes! he confessed on TV. I think the fact is that Andy Warholl had it right everyone gets their 15 minutes of fame no matter what the reason. So that leaves us with the big question: the “Body Snatchers”. Since Joe hangs out in Wellington have all those folks who do Wellington had their bodies snatched.
Are they taking over all those bodies so they can lull us into going on their space ships and become dinner? You know in all of Science Fiction there is a thread of truth. Like this thread is truth? Maybe! they’ve already taken over Washington and now they want the banks.
We’ve got preachers asking for asassinations! We’ve got cats saving the fish and killing people! We’ve got dogs saving little rats and letting California burn! Shoot this has to be the end of days afterall. Floods, Famines heat and freezing cold while we wait for the poles to switch electric polarity. We’ve got earthquakes and volcanos. Time to dive into holes with the possums.
OK! I’ll have another white russian and it will all look better. Anyone know who is next on Joe’s charm list? Wouldn’t that make a great “Reality Theatre” A weekly competition to see who is on his list and who escapes? Boy! I bet the ratings could beat out the Donald and Martha combined.
At the end of each contest someone dies! Heck a lot more exciting than eating worms and sleeping with tarantulas.
It’s coming soon you’ll know if you allow someone who has lived through big problems a little esoteric philosophy.
Don’t be so sure in this world that what is black is really black or what seems true and pure is really what it seems.
But… Goldy don’t miss your big moment in time I think you have friends here but it’s more like a brook than a river and it’s doesn’t run deep. I think you would make your father proud if you told his story. And, I think you would make friends for your children so they don’t live under the same cloud that you have had to live.
This is a friendly audience who will try to understand but don’t get angry if they’re slow to believe. This is a cynical world where people hurt each other and the only safe birth is in a harbor of friends.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>lyrical
Working Hunter
Posted Aug. 31, 2005 08:58 AM
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Snowbird - Goldy’s “dad” is not some some small time cop, rather large suburb of Chicago. As far as I know he has never been charged with anything, but he sure was around ALOT.
As LLDM has said, I don’t think anyone here thinks there are any saints in that whole Chicago group. I am speaking just for myself here, although I may also be speaking for a number of other posters who support the idea of taking a closer look into Goldy’s allegations.
*I believe Goldy is who he says he is.
*I believe Goldy feels very strongly that his father has been maligned by both the ATF and ABC7 news reporting
*I do NOT believe Goldy’s dad is as pure as Goldy believes him to be, but…
I have a feeling Joe Plemmons was very deliberate in fingering him for the murder, and certainly had ulterior motives besides the altruistic ones he spewed in his interview.
I feel the press(specifically ABC7 and Chuck Goudie) were irresponsible in publically naming him without a grand jury indictment
I am VERY leery of the ATF folks stating that the believe Plemmons is telling the truth, and the murder is solved, based on Plemmons word alone.
I will cut and paste some interesting court documents, and interviews with Plemmons when I get back later today. Plemmons certainly has a pattern of coming out years later to “clear up” things.
Taking time to examining this angle cannot hurt anyone or anything. If I am wrong, and Goldy’s dad was the Chicago Don who ran the whole shebang, then I have just spent some time learning about how things are done in the Chicago Horse Mafia and I’ve learned, once again, how naive and gullible I am.
This message has been edited. Last edited by: lyrical, Aug. 31, 2005 09:11 AM
Reality is something you rise above -Liza Minnelli
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OMG Cindeye, you are the best!!! 
Those are too funny… So goldy, oh er I mean JP oh ah troll de jour or what ever you think your name is at this moment, you came on here to what???
Wasn’t this topic milked for all it was worth with the 36-page thread on the COTH BB that lived from Jan '05 until late May '05?
Wow! this fits with the public scenario that the purpose of Joe Plemmons confession was to get Bailey out of jail.
That’s weird if the evidence was compelling enough for the jury why wouldn’t the FBI dump those two guys instead of giving them applause.
Yes! I can imagine that goldy would hope his Dad got the same treatment and there were millions in damages.Especially if this seems to be a pattern with our new and better FBI.
lyrical that’s a heck of a good cross reference between you and LLDM I think we have our own whodunit team going.
Last I heard the Butler was alive and trying to be invisible. In the TV show they indicated that some woman used Helen’s Brach’s plane ticket and no one knows who that was.
Please tell me NO ONE is taking any of this seriously. Don’t drink the Kool-aid on this one.
Cindeye - help, help, help. Mungo only pawn in game of life.
Si & Frank Jayne are STILL dead, aren’t they? Or have they been spotted with Elvis?
Joey Plemmons is still a bottom feeding lowlife whether he shot Helen Brach or not? Isn’t he?
It’s not even noon and I need a drink!
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Glimmerglass:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Coreene:
Hawkeye: No, you submit, do you hear? You be strong, you survive … You stay alive, no matter what occurs! I will find you. No matter how long it takes, no matter how far, I will find you. I will find you! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey now! That is one of my favorite lines from a movie that is connected to Glimmerglass. In our history lesson of the day, author James Fenimore Cooper introduced the character of “Hawkeye” in his Leatherstocking Tales and also coined the magnificent Lake Otsego - “Glimmerglass” - where upon it’s banks did Hawkeye live as did his native friend’s Chingachgook and Uncas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ah yes, but do you look as ripped as Daniel Day Lewis does in that film? 
<<you have never heard what I am saying before>>
NO truer words ever appeared in PRINT…
Note to self: Beware of reading threads last pages first…
and as the summer was grinding to a weary end, a silly troll to brighten things up!
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Is goldy still in highschool </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No he’s at the jail lie berry 
There is some real funny things happening in this Helen Brach murder mystery. I know that someone else told Joe Plemmens what to say. If he gets a trial out of his lies it will be the third major murder case he gets paid alot of money from. His arrest record goes way beyond what most people know about. In 1992 he was paid $5800.00 and a 3 year sentence was reduced to 17 months and he never served any time because he began working very close to the FEDS.He has been working close to the FEDS for 12-13 years. He was the main one in the Richard Bailey case. In 1991 a Psycic said that Helen Brach was incinerated in a Steel Mill. This whole Helen Brach muder scheme is a total fabrication. Like I said some very very weird and sick lies are comming out of this. The Skokie Police Seargent is totally innocent, he is being FRAMED to make the story look better to frame Matlick and Frank Jayne. It is really sad that anyone would stoop so low to ruin innocent families lives.With this PATRIOT ACT are FREEDOMS are going to continue to deteriate. Our law officials are using it in wy it was not intended. The Seargent was hardly seen by his family for many many years because he worked many jobs all the time to make a good future for his wife and kids.Joe Plemmens mentioned in the Tribune that he was going to write a book. I informed the Tribune before they talked to him that this was one of his aims. I have done my research and anyone who does the same will see the truth.Alot of funny things are going on and I think the real story should be about the TRUTH and not ALL the LIES that seem endless
The investigation from the FEB 1977 was screwed up they knew Matlick did it but screwed things up. Matlick had 2 weeks that he did not report Helen Brach missing. Lots of Bearer Bonds were missing and who knows how many valuables in the house were taken. There is also word that Matlick was written out of the Will and als a remote possibilty many years before she dissappeare that Matlick Dated Helen. Also he did some big remodeling in those 2 weeks. So for along time they tried to indicte Matlick. Then they tried to get Bailey for the murder. By now the Feds I would expect were getting very very fustrated. They have publicly said on TV a few years back that we are going to get Frank Jayne on something and when we sentence him to alot of jail time he will tell us what happened to Helen Brach to get out. They said because he was a close confidant with Richard Bailey we know that he knows about Helen Brach. At this time that means they still thought Richard Bailey had killed her. So now they descided there are no convictions for the Helen Brach murder and they may never get someone so here is where the Mother of all LIES comes in. I think you can figure out the rest! The Skokie Police Seargent has captured Murders as a policeman and spent 28 and half years being a geat Cop while Joe Plemmens was busy taking people for money. To put my father in with the Spilatroe’s is a big stretch and very Sick. My research shows that the people who know most about the Spilatroe’s say there is not a chance that they would of involved all these people in the Helen Brach Muder. They were professionals!.The plan here is so obvious that with this new LIE they would get all the people in jail that they suspect and who cares if some innocent people go to if they get what they want! Do not forget about Steven Manning the ex Chicago Policeman Framed for framed for murder by the FBI. He spent 8 years on Death Row and now was awarded 6.5 Million against the 2 FBI agent who Framed him. I here next he will sue the FBI.Come on lets use some common sense and be determined to get the TRUTH OUT THERE. The people who put the LIES out there were very determined.By the way I have absolute proof that the Former Skokie Police Seargent has been in Chicago every year. The story about him hiding in Mexico is a big lie…The story about him comming to Chicago last just to pick up his ailing wife in 2003 is a LIE he was in town in 2003 for 4 MONTHS. Tell me if you think that reported did his homework that created these lies and also he has been audited. This case is the biggest joke I have ever seen. For them to think the public would go for these lies once the Truth is out is beyound me. They must think we are morons!!! Yes I am his son and am very close to him. I know my father like no one else knows him. A few people I know who have been involved in law for 30 plus years who now know what I know about these lies say “I have never seen anything like this in all my years of practice” . I might not be willing to say anymore and refer you to my lawyer. I trust you at this moment because you are the most honest and hard hitting reporter. I have seen whats happen so far is like a nightmare for me and my family and you can not blame us for not trusting some of the media. The Former Skokie Police Seargent has NEVER MET Helen Brach, Joe Plemmens Matlick or the Spilatroe’s.
There is some real funny things happening in this Helen Brach murder mystery. I know that someone else told Joe Plemmens what to say. If he gets a trial out of his lies it will be the third major murder case he gets paid alot of money from. His arrest record goes way beyond what most people know about. In 1992 he was paid $5800.00 and a 3 year sentence was reduced to 17 months and he never served any time because he began working very close to the FEDS.He has been working close to the FEDS for 12-13 years. He was the main one in the Richard Bailey case. In 1991 a Psycic said that Helen Brach was incinerated in a Steel Mill. This whole Helen Brach muder scheme is a total fabrication. Like I said some very very weird and sick lies are comming out of this. The Skokie Police Seargent is totally innocent, he is being FRAMED to make the story look better to frame Matlick and Frank Jayne. It is really sad that anyone would stoop so low to ruin innocent families lives.With this PATRIOT ACT are FREEDOMS are going to continue to deteriate. Our law officials are using it in wy it was not intended. The Seargent was hardly seen by his family for many many years because he worked many jobs all the time to make a good future for his wife and kids.Joe Plemmens mentioned in the Tribune that he was going to write a book. I informed the Tribune before they talked to him that this was one of his aims. I have done my research and anyone who does the same will see the truth.Alot of funny things are going on and I think the real story should be about the TRUTH and not ALL the LIES that seem endless
The investigation from the FEB 1977 was screwed up they knew Matlick did it but screwed things up. Matlick had 2 weeks that he did not report Helen Brach missing. Lots of Bearer Bonds were missing and who knows how many valuables in the house were taken. There is also word that Matlick was written out of the Will and als a remote possibilty many years before she dissappeare that Matlick Dated Helen. Also he did some big remodeling in those 2 weeks. So for along time they tried to indicte Matlick. Then they tried to get Bailey for the murder. By now the Feds I would expect were getting very very fustrated. They have publicly said on TV a few years back that we are going to get Frank Jayne on something and when we sentence him to alot of jail time he will tell us what happened to Helen Brach to get out. They said because he was a close confidant with Richard Bailey we know that he knows about Helen Brach. At this time that means they still thought Richard Bailey had killed her. So now they descided there are no convictions for the Helen Brach murder and they may never get someone so here is where the Mother of all LIES comes in. I think you can figure out the rest! The Skokie Police Seargent has captured Murders as a policeman and spent 28 and half years being a geat Cop while Joe Plemmens was busy taking people for money. To put my father in with the Spilatroe’s is a big stretch and very Sick. My research shows that the people who know most about the Spilatroe’s say there is not a chance that they would of involved all these people in the Helen Brach Muder. They were professionals!.The plan here is so obvious that with this new LIE they would get all the people in jail that they suspect and who cares if some innocent people go to if they get what they want! Do not forget about Steven Manning the ex Chicago Policeman Framed for framed for murder by the FBI. He spent 8 years on Death Row and now was awarded 6.5 Million against the 2 FBI agent who Framed him. I here next he will sue the FBI.Come on lets use some common sense and be determined to get the TRUTH OUT THERE. The people who put the LIES out there were very determined.By the way I have absolute proof that the Former Skokie Police Seargent has been in Chicago every year. The story about him hiding in Mexico is a big lie…The story about him comming to Chicago last just to pick up his ailing wife in 2003 is a LIE he was in town in 2003 for 4 MONTHS. Tell me if you think that reported did his homework that created these lies and also he has been audited. This case is the biggest joke I have ever seen. For them to think the public would go for these lies once the Truth is out is beyound me. They must think we are morons!!! Yes I am his son and am very close to him. I know my father like no one else knows him. A few people I know who have been involved in law for 30 plus years who now know what I know about these lies say “I have never seen anything like this in all my years of practice” . I might not be willing to say anymore and refer you to my lawyer. I trust you at this moment because you are the most honest and hard hitting reporter. I have seen whats happen so far is like a nightmare for me and my family and you can not blame us for not trusting some of the media. The Former Skokie Police Seargent has NEVER MET Helen Brach, Joe Plemmens Matlick or the Spilatroe’s.
There is some real funny things happening in this Helen Brach murder mystery. I know that someone else told Joe Plemmens what to say. If he gets a trial out of his lies it will be the third major murder case he gets paid alot of money from. His arrest record goes way beyond what most people know about. In 1992 he was paid $5800.00 and a 3 year sentence was reduced to 17 months and he never served any time because he began working very close to the FEDS.He has been working close to the FEDS for 12-13 years. He was the main one in the Richard Bailey case. In 1991 a Psycic said that Helen Brach was incinerated in a Steel Mill. This whole Helen Brach muder scheme is a total fabrication. Like I said some very very weird and sick lies are comming out of this. The Skokie Police Seargent is totally innocent, he is being FRAMED to make the story look better to frame Matlick and Frank Jayne. It is really sad that anyone would stoop so low to ruin innocent families lives.With this PATRIOT ACT are FREEDOMS are going to continue to deteriate. Our law officials are using it in wy it was not intended. The Seargent was hardly seen by his family for many many years because he worked many jobs all the time to make a good future for his wife and kids.Joe Plemmens mentioned in the Tribune that he was going to write a book. I informed the Tribune before they talked to him that this was one of his aims. I have done my research and anyone who does the same will see the truth.Alot of funny things are going on and I think the real story should be about the TRUTH and not ALL the LIES that seem endless
The investigation from the FEB 1977 was screwed up they knew Matlick did it but screwed things up. Matlick had 2 weeks that he did not report Helen Brach missing. Lots of Bearer Bonds were missing and who knows how many valuables in the house were taken. There is also word that Matlick was written out of the Will and als a remote possibilty many years before she dissappeare that Matlick Dated Helen. Also he did some big remodeling in those 2 weeks. So for along time they tried to indicte Matlick. Then they tried to get Bailey for the murder. By now the Feds I would expect were getting very very fustrated. They have publicly said on TV a few years back that we are going to get Frank Jayne on something and when we sentence him to alot of jail time he will tell us what happened to Helen Brach to get out. They said because he was a close confidant with Richard Bailey we know that he knows about Helen Brach. At this time that means they still thought Richard Bailey had killed her. So now they descided there are no convictions for the Helen Brach murder and they may never get someone so here is where the Mother of all LIES comes in. I think you can figure out the rest! The Skokie Police Seargent has captured Murders as a policeman and spent 28 and half years being a geat Cop while Joe Plemmens was busy taking people for money. To put my father in with the Spilatroe’s is a big stretch and very Sick. My research shows that the people who know most about the Spilatroe’s say there is not a chance that they would of involved all these people in the Helen Brach Muder. They were professionals!.The plan here is so obvious that with this new LIE they would get all the people in jail that they suspect and who cares if some innocent people go to if they get what they want! Do not forget about Steven Manning the ex Chicago Policeman Framed for framed for murder by the FBI. He spent 8 years on Death Row and now was awarded 6.5 Million against the 2 FBI agent who Framed him. I here next he will sue the FBI.Come on lets use some common sense and be determined to get the TRUTH OUT THERE. The people who put the LIES out there were very determined.By the way I have absolute proof that the Former Skokie Police Seargent has been in Chicago every year. The story about him hiding in Mexico is a big lie…The story about him comming to Chicago last just to pick up his ailing wife in 2003 is a LIE he was in town in 2003 for 4 MONTHS. Tell me if you think that reported did his homework that created these lies and also he has been audited. This case is the biggest joke I have ever seen. For them to think the public would go for these lies once the Truth is out is beyound me. They must think we are morons!!! Yes I am his son and am very close to him. I know my father like no one else knows him. A few people I know who have been involved in law for 30 plus years who now know what I know about these lies say “I have never seen anything like this in all my years of practice” . I might not be willing to say anymore and refer you to my lawyer. I trust you at this moment because you are the most honest and hard hitting reporter. I have seen whats happen so far is like a nightmare for me and my family and you can not blame us for not trusting some of the media. The Former Skokie Police Seargent has NEVER MET Helen Brach, Joe Plemmens Matlick or the Spilatroe’s.
There is some real funny things happening in this Helen Brach murder mystery. I know that someone else told Joe Plemmens what to say. If he gets a trial out of his lies it will be the third major murder case he gets paid alot of money from. His arrest record goes way beyond what most people know about. In 1992 he was paid $5800.00 and a 3 year sentence was reduced to 17 months and he never served any time because he began working very close to the FEDS.He has been working close to the FEDS for 12-13 years. He was the main one in the Richard Bailey case. In 1991 a Psycic said that Helen Brach was incinerated in a Steel Mill. This whole Helen Brach muder scheme is a total fabrication. Like I said some very very weird and sick lies are comming out of this. The Skokie Police Seargent is totally innocent, he is being FRAMED to make the story look better to frame Matlick and Frank Jayne. It is really sad that anyone would stoop so low to ruin innocent families lives.With this PATRIOT ACT are FREEDOMS are going to continue to deteriate. Our law officials are using it in wy it was not intended. The Seargent was hardly seen by his family for many many years because he worked many jobs all the time to make a good future for his wife and kids.Joe Plemmens mentioned in the Tribune that he was going to write a book. I informed the Tribune before they talked to him that this was one of his aims. I have done my research and anyone who does the same will see the truth.Alot of funny things are going on and I think the real story should be about the TRUTH and not ALL the LIES that seem endless
The investigation from the FEB 1977 was screwed up they knew Matlick did it but screwed things up. Matlick had 2 weeks that he did not report Helen Brach missing. Lots of Bearer Bonds were missing and who knows how many valuables in the house were taken. There is also word that Matlick was written out of the Will and als a remote possibilty many years before she dissappeare that Matlick Dated Helen. Also he did some big remodeling in those 2 weeks. So for along time they tried to indicte Matlick. Then they tried to get Bailey for the murder. By now the Feds I would expect were getting very very fustrated. They have publicly said on TV a few years back that we are going to get Frank Jayne on something and when we sentence him to alot of jail time he will tell us what happened to Helen Brach to get out. They said because he was a close confidant with Richard Bailey we know that he knows about Helen Brach. At this time that means they still thought Richard Bailey had killed her. So now they descided there are no convictions for the Helen Brach murder and they may never get someone so here is where the Mother of all LIES comes in. I think you can figure out the rest! The Skokie Police Seargent has captured Murders as a policeman and spent 28 and half years being a geat Cop while Joe Plemmens was busy taking people for money. To put my father in with the Spilatroe’s is a big stretch and very Sick. My research shows that the people who know most about the Spilatroe’s say there is not a chance that they would of involved all these people in the Helen Brach Muder. They were professionals!.The plan here is so obvious that with this new LIE they would get all the people in jail that they suspect and who cares if some innocent people go to if they get what they want! Do not forget about Steven Manning the ex Chicago Policeman Framed for framed for murder by the FBI. He spent 8 years on Death Row and now was awarded 6.5 Million against the 2 FBI agent who Framed him. I here next he will sue the FBI.Come on lets use some common sense and be determined to get the TRUTH OUT THERE. The people who put the LIES out there were very determined.By the way I have absolute proof that the Former Skokie Police Seargent has been in Chicago every year. The story about him hiding in Mexico is a big lie…The story about him comming to Chicago last just to pick up his ailing wife in 2003 is a LIE he was in town in 2003 for 4 MONTHS. Tell me if you think that reported did his homework that created these lies and also he has been audited. This case is the biggest joke I have ever seen. For them to think the public would go for these lies once the Truth is out is beyound me. They must think we are morons!!! Yes I am his son and am very close to him. I know my father like no one else knows him. A few people I know who have been involved in law for 30 plus years who now know what I know about these lies say “I have never seen anything like this in all my years of practice” . I might not be willing to say anymore and refer you to my lawyer. I trust you at this moment because you are the most honest and hard hitting reporter. I have seen whats happen so far is like a nightmare for me and my family and you can not blame us for not trusting some of the media. The Former Skokie Police Seargent has NEVER MET Helen Brach, Joe Plemmens Matlick or the Spilatroe’s.
There is some real funny things happening in this Helen Brach murder mystery. I know that someone else told Joe Plemmens what to say. If he gets a trial out of his lies it will be the third major murder case he gets paid alot of money from. His arrest record goes way beyond what most people know about. In 1992 he was paid $5800.00 and a 3 year sentence was reduced to 17 months and he never served any time because he began working very close to the FEDS.He has been working close to the FEDS for 12-13 years. He was the main one in the Richard Bailey case. In 1991 a Psycic said that Helen Brach was incinerated in a Steel Mill. This whole Helen Brach muder scheme is a total fabrication. Like I said some very very weird and sick lies are comming out of this. The Skokie Police Seargent is totally innocent, he is being FRAMED to make the story look better to frame Matlick and Frank Jayne. It is really sad that anyone would stoop so low to ruin innocent families lives.With this PATRIOT ACT are FREEDOMS are going to continue to deteriate. Our law officials are using it in wy it was not intended. The Seargent was hardly seen by his family for many many years because he worked many jobs all the time to make a good future for his wife and kids.Joe Plemmens mentioned in the Tribune that he was going to write a book. I informed the Tribune before they talked to him that this was one of his aims. I have done my research and anyone who does the same will see the truth.Alot of funny things are going on and I think the real story should be about the TRUTH and not ALL the LIES that seem endless
The investigation from the FEB 1977 was screwed up they knew Matlick did it but screwed things up. Matlick had 2 weeks that he did not report Helen Brach missing. Lots of Bearer Bonds were missing and who knows how many valuables in the house were taken. There is also word that Matlick was written out of the Will and als a remote possibilty many years before she dissappeare that Matlick Dated Helen. Also he did some big remodeling in those 2 weeks. So for along time they tried to indicte Matlick. Then they tried to get Bailey for the murder. By now the Feds I would expect were getting very very fustrated. They have publicly said on TV a few years back that we are going to get Frank Jayne on something and when we sentence him to alot of jail time he will tell us what happened to Helen Brach to get out. They said because he was a close confidant with Richard Bailey we know that he knows about Helen Brach. At this time that means they still thought Richard Bailey had killed her. So now they descided there are no convictions for the Helen Brach murder and they may never get someone so here is where the Mother of all LIES comes in. I think you can figure out the rest! The Skokie Police Seargent has captured Murders as a policeman and spent 28 and half years being a geat Cop while Joe Plemmens was busy taking people for money. To put my father in with the Spilatroe’s is a big stretch and very Sick. My research shows that the people who know most about the Spilatroe’s say there is not a chance that they would of involved all these people in the Helen Brach Muder. They were professionals!.The plan here is so obvious that with this new LIE they would get all the people in jail that they suspect and who cares if some innocent people go to if they get what they want! Do not forget about Steven Manning the ex Chicago Policeman Framed for framed for murder by the FBI. He spent 8 years on Death Row and now was awarded 6.5 Million against the 2 FBI agent who Framed him. I here next he will sue the FBI.Come on lets use some common sense and be determined to get the TRUTH OUT THERE. The people who put the LIES out there were very determined.By the way I have absolute proof that the Former Skokie Police Seargent has been in Chicago every year. The story about him hiding in Mexico is a big lie…The story about him comming to Chicago last just to pick up his ailing wife in 2003 is a LIE he was in town in 2003 for 4 MONTHS. Tell me if you think that reported did his homework that created these lies and also he has been audited. This case is the biggest joke I have ever seen. For them to think the public would go for these lies once the Truth is out is beyound me. They must think we are morons!!! Yes I am his son and am very close to him. I know my father like no one else knows him. A few people I know who have been involved in law for 30 plus years who now know what I know about these lies say “I have never seen anything like this in all my years of practice” . I might not be willing to say anymore and refer you to my lawyer. I trust you at this moment because you are the most honest and hard hitting reporter. I have seen whats happen so far is like a nightmare for me and my family and you can not blame us for not trusting some of the media. The Former Skokie Police Seargent has NEVER MET Helen Brach, Joe Plemmens Matlick or the Spilatroe’s.
ARTHUR: The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?
SOLDIER #1: Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
ARTHUR: Not at all. They could be carried.
SOLDIER #1: What? A swallow carrying a coconut?
ARTHUR: It could grip it by the husk!
SOLDIER #1: It’s not a question of where he grips it! It’s a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
ARTHUR: Well, it doesn’t matter. Will you go and tell your master that Arthur from the Court of Camelot is here?
SOLDIER #1: Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?
ARTHUR: Please!
SOLDIER #1: Am I right?
ARTHUR: I’m not interested!
SOLDIER #2: It could be carried by an African swallow!
SOLDIER #1: Oh, yeah, an African swallow maybe, but not a European swallow. That’s my point.
SOLDIER #2: Oh, yeah, I agree with that.
ARTHUR: Will you ask your master if he wants to join my court at Camelot?!
SOLDIER #1: But then of course, uh, African swallows are non-migratory.
SOLDIER #2: Oh, yeah.
SOLDIER #1: So, they couldn’t bring a coconut back anyway.
[clop clop clop]
SOLDIER #2: Wait a minute! Supposing two swallows carried it together?
SOLDIER #1: No, they’d have to have it on a line.
SOLDIER #2: Well, simple! They’d just use a strand of creeper!
SOLDIER #1: What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers?
SOLDIER #2: Well, why not?
snip
KEEPER: What is your favorite color?
GALAHAD: Blue. No yel-- Auuuuuuuugh!
KEEPER: Heh heh. Stop! What is your name?
ARTHUR: It is Arthur, King of the Britons.
KEEPER: What is your quest?
ARTHUR: To seek the Holy Grail.
KEEPER: What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
ARTHUR: What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
KEEPER: What? I…I don’t know that! Auuuuuuuugh!
BEDEVERE: How do know so much about swallows?
ARTHUR: Well, you have to know these things when you’re a king
you know.
takes a big long drink from the brandy snifter Oooooooooooooh. Now I get it!
Goldy and Joe PlemmOns are having a great time together with Helen Brach on a leaky houseboat in Florida. Old School sold his Monet to fund their new non-profit organization dedicated to ridding the Olympics of participants who are guilty of nothing but who are related to people who may have been guilty of something at some time in the past. Joe PlemmOns is going to appropriate some of the Monet money (say that 10 times fast) to buy a string of horses for CP to ride in the next Olympic games.
It’s all sooooooooo clear to me now 
Edited to change sailboat to houseboat
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>John Kass
Cold-case book sends cold chills, needed message
Published August 7, 2005
`Unbridled Rage: A True Story of Organized Crime, Corruption, and Murder in Chicago" (Berkley/Penguin) is a book written by Gene O’Shea.
It is about the Chicago Outfit’s favorite murderous horseman, Silas Jayne, and his associates, the obese hit man Curtis Hansen, and Hansen’s brother Ken, a horseman accused of using horses to get close to boys.
It is also about a triple murder of three such boys, the Schuessler-Peterson murders, in 1955. Bobby Peterson was 14. John Schuessler was 13, and his brother Anton was 11.
They waited almost 40 years for justice, until John Rotunno and Jim Grady, two agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, took up the cold case and followed it relentlessly.
“John Rotunno and Jim Grady from ATF wouldn’t let it go,” O’Shea said. “Those investigators were motivated by their professionalism, and by the fact that they were fathers. And I just felt I had to write the story.”
O’Shea spent years covering the crime and courts beats for the Daily Southtown. Currently, he’s the official spokesman for the Illinois Gaming Board.
“I could identify with the boys,” O’Shea told me. “Can’t you? We all wanted adventure, and thought it special to go downtown when we were kids. That’s what they did. They roamed around and looked for adventure.”
I remember being 11 and roaming a bit. Perhaps you do as well. But we were lucky. We came home.
The boys were going downtown to a movie, to see some picture called “The African Lion.” They ran into Ken Hansen. Two days later, their naked bodies were found in a ditch on a bridle path. The murders terrified the city.
O’Shea’s book comes out this fall, but since I heard he was writing about the Schuessler-Peterson murders, I’ve been pestering him for a chance to read it. He gave me an advance copy the other day.
I read it steadily, in two sittings at a neighborhood coffee shop late into the night. There was plenty of light inside and the casual conversation of strangers and waitresses, then, finally, there was only the sound of the busboy vacuuming the carpet and the owner muttering over the cash register receipts at closing time.
Both nights it was quiet and pitch dark on the way to my car, and each time, listening to the night, I kept thinking about one passage in “Unbridled Rage.”
I’m still thinking about it. I’ll think about it for a long time.
It was about Hetty Salerno and how she wasn’t a stranger to screams.
She was no stranger to screams because she’d heard all kinds. Only 10 or so years earlier, she’d been an ambulance driver in London during the Nazi bombardment of that city during World War II.
But the war screams were nothing like those she heard from a boy on the night of Oct. 16, 1955, near the Idle Hour Stable across the road from her home in unincorporated Park Ridge, a stable owned by Silas Jayne.
The screams were terrible, “like someone beating the hell out of a child,” she said.
It was a solid lead and the crime was so sensational and sensationalized–a public murder, a heater–that City Hall made sure there were plenty of police. Perhaps too many. And one officer talked to Salerno.
Yet for some reason, investigators didn’t follow up. It may have been a horrible mistake. Another theory is that police were steered away from Salerno’s story–and the Jayne stable–by the political clout of Jayne’s associates in the Chicago Outfit.
Police concentrated on other leads that led nowhere, or to tragedy, like Anton Schuessler Sr., father of two of the victims.
He was questioned, and harshly. Whether it was grief or the questioning and resulting shame or a combination, the man lost his mind. He was put in a psychiatric institution and subjected to electroshock therapy. The poor man died of a heart attack a month after his sons were killed.
Jayne’s connections with organized crime, called the mob by outsiders and the Outfit by Chicagoans, were lengthy.
“He’d have Outfit guys out to his stables, people like Sam DeStefano would show up, and dress up in full cowboy regalia and jump on horses and start shooting their six-shooters.”
I can imagine the torturer “mad” Sam DeStefano in cowboy clothes. The guns were real. The fat Curt Hansen worked for DeStefano.
Those who were in Silas Jayne’s way found themselves dead, including his brother, and a champion rider, and perhaps missing candy heiress Helen Brach.
Ken Hansen was convicted of the Schuessler-Peterson killings in 1995 and again in 2002 in a retrial. By then, Curtis Hansen and Silas Jayne were dead.
“This tells people working cold cases to never give up,” O’Shea said. “Somebody knows something, and for various reasons, they keep their mouths shut. Silas Jayne died, and those who lived in fear of him were no longer afraid of what they knew.”
jskass@tribune.com John Kass
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Thanks for clearing it all up for me Cindeye. I knew you were the one to do it. Off to bed to dream of chocolate and popcorn.
I an Elvis. Enough for today!
I can see were bumpin pimpin down dear rode againe… BUT befer weez duzz kaint someun out dare fix me a sour apple tini on the rox’s in a TALL glass paleezze 
I think that I either missed something (about 10 pages of posts)or forgot it. What is the ultimate goal of all of this?
People will think what they are going to think. Except for murder, the statute of limitations has run out long ago on everything else.
In so far as the comment “The truth will set you free,” what about the fact that recently someone was quoted in the news as saying one thing, claimed he has misquoted, was presented with the video tape of what he said, then claimed what he said was not what he meant? And people believe him!!! Even after he advocated the murder of someone! Some people will believe anything they are told by certain people even though the truth is staring them in the face.
I know first hand about the media reporting things that are completely false. At a certain point, it is better to ignore the lies. The story dies much quicker then. Even if you got them to admit “mistakes,” who is watching when they do a retration at 3:00 am or print it on page 43? People will still believe the first story as if it were fact. All it does is remind people about the first story.
As far as the Feds go, if you are in the right and you want them to go away forever, you need to take them on head on (know from personal experience). If there is a possiblity of something big blowing up in their face in a very public way, they will quitely resolve the issue in private (see the case of Lori Bambenick (sp) - the one nicknamed Bambi [run Bambi run]). They don’t do public apologies (especially look at the last 5 years) even if they are proven wrong. If you choose to fight them publicly, they will use their full resources to bury you.
BTW, hi Joe
