Helen Brach & Joe Plemmens

[goldy]

This is how my family started our New Year and know I can not find one article from this source anywhere on the computer. Why have they taken all the great truths off the computer after 8 months?

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Source: Helen Brach murder mystery solved
Candy heiress disappeared 28 years ago

By Chuck Goudie
January 1, 2005 ”" It has been Chicago’s most enduring murder mystery: Who killed candy heiress Helen Vorhees Brach? Police say they now know.

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Helen Brach vanished in 1977 and her body was never found. For almost 28 years, what really happened to her was Chicago’s greatest crime puzzle. But now, sources tell the ABC 7 I-Team that a federal informant has provided authorities with specific details about Brach’s disappearance and turned over evidence to federal and Cook County prosecutors.

Helen Vorhees Brach, known as “the candy lady,” lived a life of luxury in a north suburban mansion with housekeepers, butlers, and her beloved horses. Her death, authorities said, was unsightly. According to sources, a three-year investigation determined that Brach’s body was brought to an Indiana steel plant by organized crime hoodlums. Agents from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms say the mastermind behind the murder is Frank Jayne Junior, 70, a stable owner who allegedly had Brach silenced before she could reveal his fraudulent horse business and insurance scams.

“No comment,” said Jayne.

Authorities have reportedly recommended that Jayne, a long-time suspect in the case, and another man be charged in the murder. According to Jayne’s lawyer, federal agents visited the prison where Jayne is serving out an arson sentence last year. Jayne denied any involvement in the Brach murder.

Sources working the case say evidence given to prosecutors also directly connects former Skokie Police Sergeant Lee Reiter to the murder. Ten years ago the I-Team located Reiter hiding out in Mexico. Reiter returned home in 2003 to pick up his ailing wife. It was the last time he is believed to have been on U.S. soil.

Most of the mobsters who were recruited to help dispose of Helen Brach have died over the years. But Richard Bailey continues to pay a price for the murder. Bailey, the suave horseman who swindled Brach out of some of her fortune, was sent to prison for fraud. But his sentence was lengthened after prosecutors were allowed to suggest he had a role in Brach’s murder. Tonight, federal law enforcement sources say that they no longer believe Bailey was actually involved in the killing.

The judge who handled Bailey’s case has been informed of the new developments. Bailey’s lawyer is expected to ask the court for some relief, possibly a revised sentence.

The U.S. Attorney in Chicago this afternoon has no comment on the end to 28 years of law enforcement bewilderment. No word either from the Cook County state’s attorney.

The next question”"are the statute limitations up on some of the possible charges?

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[Foireann_Eireannach]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by goldy:
Remember this is America the land of the FREE.Would you be one of people who does not like freedom of speech and wants to be above the law? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you don’t agree with the powers that be, you must not be patriotic and you hate America, and if you aren’t with us, you’re against us (isn’t that how it goes these days ).

[goldy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Posted Sep. 04, 2005 06:58 PM
goldy take a deep breath and think this is desperation and not an exposure. What would Lee Reiter know about Tigerpaws to make him so obviously </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Posted Sep. 04, 2005 06:58 PM
goldy take a deep breath and think this is desperation and not an exposure. What would Lee Reiter know about Tigerpaws to make him so obviously attack when there is nothing to attack but an old lady. This is in reality proof that your father is innocent because if he was not why would they need to go to so much trouble on such a weak front as an anonymous name on a general thread.

This is spook stuff and not real facts. So far nothing but bravado and bluff from our friend Tigerpaws, just another con man and not nearly as good as Joe Plemmons would be.

Battle Scarred Veteran and Expert Thread Killer </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[justjilli]

who is that?

[Snowbird]

What a jolly group of sportsmen are welcomed among the rich “elite” and famous at Wellington. I hadn’t read the whole story about Wally Holly and hoped there was some redeeming quality to justify his presence anywhere in the horse world. BUT…it seems to me that both he and Joe Plemmons deserve to be castrated and tattoed on their forehead so that everyone knows who they are and what they did.

But, back to our friend goldy. It would seem there is justification for his anger since his father may not be sqeaky clean but nevertheless there doesn’t appear to be evidence to indicate his culpability in any of the horse murders or the boys and as far as Helen Brach’s murder goes, even if he was involved she was alive when Joe Plemmons shot her in the head and it wasn’t too late if Joe Plemmons had been an honorable man as he protests.

With a gun in his hand which he obviously knew how to use how threatened could he have been?
I am more than ever convinced this is a sociopath with a need to have public recognition of his brilliance in outsmarting and outfoxing the FBI, ATF and whoever else is involved.

[justjilli]

have fun goldy and tell mr. p i said hello

[Snowbird]

From the email sent to me I don’t think that’s the case. I think his father and mother are aged, probably not well. Look how long it took for Deep Throat to talk and the Press was on his side.

I haven’t had a lot of experience but I’ve had enough to understand that many reporters (not all by any means) look to sensationalize any story. If his parents are adjusted to their quiet life and are not well they may not wish any further attention and are just happy to be alive.

So goldy is caught between the desire of a young person to see justice at last but he can’t because he also respects his parents opinions.

This is a very interesting hypothesis it is quite true that we all assumed the motivation as published but suppose there was a sub plot.
Perhaps, access to that trust was a reason to have told the “bad boys” that she was planning to turn them all in and then they were paid for the execution provided the body was never discovered.

Maybe that’s why afterall these years Joe Plemmons confessed. The real perpetrator of the plot has since passed off the scene and he feels safe breaking the promise. Remember supposedly this whole scam was to get Bailey out of jail early.

[goldy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>pacificsolo
Grand Prix
Posted Sep. 15, 2005 09:10 PM
well, looks like I need MORE rum and coke to make this interesting…it all looks like “blah blah blah blah blah” to me…maybe the rum will open (or close) my eyes

Proud Member of Hot TB Mare Clique… </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I did not want to disappoint you!!

[goldy]

ON THIS DAY Mend a quarrel, Searchout a forgotten friend, Dismiss a suspicion and replace it withtrust, Write a letter to someone who misses you, Encourage a youth who has lost faith, Keep a promise, Forget an old grudge, Examine your demands on others and vow to reduce them, Fight for a principle, Express your gratitude, Overcome an old fear, Take two minutes to appreciate the beauty of nature, Tell someone you love them, Tell them again, And again, And again… Author Unknown

[Foireann_Eireannach]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by goldy:
The world we have made as a result of the level of thinking we have done thus far, creates problems we cannot solve at the same level of thinking at which we created them. ALBERT EINSTEIN. You are right you can only go so far on the computer. You need legal docs and more. With what I know and others with many years of law expeience know is that the people who put this Helen Brach story together must think we are morons or they just wanted to stir things up. Sling mud out there and were ever it sticks they will go. I am having so much fun with all of you I really do not care what you think. A few people who have been involved in law that know what I know have said " I have never seen anything like this ". I will at the moment keep a few amazing aces up my sleve. I am having a great time. Those of you who believe what these joksters are saying aboutme is fine. The joke in reality is on you!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I reelly supoose you Goldy. They dont knew what yOu do. I agre. Laffs on of them I knew that Goldy tell tRuth cahse he sold me horse. It had four leggs n a tale and all that stuff. I figur out hoo Goldy is by one of his posts. My old trainer used to say exacto same thing. ThaTS how I knew hoo Goldy is. Goldy is a BNT. I cann ot beleaf that you cant figure out who Goldy is. Laffs on all of you. You musk be sleeping or drinkin if you cant figure out who Goldy is. Whent aLL you people figure out who Goldy is then you know why he knews what he knews!!!

[buryinghill1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Duffy:
Wasn’t that Cryostar or something like that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks, Duff, you are an encyclopedia of horse knowledge.

So, Goldylox, what ever happened to Cryostar? etcetera etcetera etcetera

[goldy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>NiteMare
Greenie
Posted Sep. 12, 2005 06:03 PM
Hi Goldy!
I have read what you have to say, and first I want to say I am sorry that the media has spread your fathers name all over the place like they have. And especially since he hasnt been indicted on anything that I have heard of.

Here is what I was wondering, if you dont like the articles about your dad all over the internet, and now find that they are gone, why are you copying and pasting them here for everyone to see?

Isnt it better that they are off the internet? Thanks for getting the word out Goldy!

NiteMare </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes you have a point! The only problem is other people behind closed doors still have a plan to convict someone for the Helen Brach Murder and with Joe Plemmons help. I continue to find out new things. I want to make sure Joe’s STAY OUT OF FREE JAIL CARD IS EXPIRED! He alone with his lies has caused a nightmare for my family and I will not stand by watching him destroy other peoples lives. I feel I am close to getting Joe a new card that is GO TO JAIL NOW DO NOT PASS GO!This man from everything I have learned is a sick pathialogical liar! I will be doing many people a big favor by exposing him. Thanks for the question!

[goldy]

LLDM you are catching on very well. Ineptness and using this to get people they really want. Matlick for one and Frank Jayne. If you look at what they have said publicly about Frank Jayne they have a deep deep desire to get him. Also Matlick because it is quite clear he is the murderer.Lets just say this is my theory because my budies are watching me. If you look closely at how Frank Jayne got put in jail some would say that was a total frame so they would get him to tell as they say about Helen Brach. First a hung jury and then a conviction. HUH!!! Take a look at the caracter of the person who convicted him. I have met this person and I am very, very suspicious!!! Lets just say I heard a rumor that the judge that was in the trial that convicted him I heard greatly influenced the jury and they used Franks forgetfulness on the stand against him. For God sakes the burning of the stable had happened 20 some years before and he is an old man. Even my Fathers memory is not like it used to be!I feel strongly that that case was another joke. No physical evedence and a moron who was paid alot of money and given immunity!! Sound similar!!! The only problem is with a much bigger case like the Helen Brach murder they will not be able to get away with this BS!

[sleepdeprived]

LLDM I recommend reading Hot Blood as there are a lot of details in it not in stories online. Not sure how much of it was dated but the author did interview key people.

Goldy, I’m still not convinced you are who you say your are to be honest. And there are people on this board who can speak directly to their dealings with the bad side of the Jaynes gang. I wouldn’t diminish the crimes of mobsters and thugs just because law enforcement can be corrupt. I’m more pi$$ed at those who get off because of their expensive lawyers. Not saying it doesn’t happen but in your case, it’s really beside the point since your father has never even been questioned or arrested now has he?

There are other murders besides Brach the Jaynes are allegedly involved in. Now how is it your father got tied to this in the first place? Was he not a friend of Frank Jayne’s? Let’s revisit one of your earlier posts, shall we:

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>He began socializing having beers and because he was around Frank they decided to paint him as a bad cop! My Dad has captured murder’s before while Joe was stealing from people!My Dad made some good money after being a cop to suppliment his penson. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You said he hung out and socialized with them. This during the time they were bilking women out of thousands by selling the same horses over and over again. Your father then makes a good deal of money outside of his pension, yet you don’t really explain where that came from. Is it really such a huge stretch to think your dad was involved with these other thugs?

And I’m also not clear on your purpose here… is it to get law enforcement or press to start thinking differently about the innuendos (not that they are at all clear) you’re making? Don’t you think they have better things to do than read the stream of consciousness rantings on bulletin boards? I also sense that there is probably more than one person posting. Either that or you have a severe drinking problem and/or a multiple personality disorder. When you reply though, please see if you can conjure up the one who knows the difference between there, they’re and their. For all we know you could be Plemmons himself.

[Party_Rose]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”> How is this allowed to stay open I wonder??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
And I believe that there has not been one post from a moderator…HUM!!! Please correct me if I am wrong.

And I do have to agree with the person many pages back that warned of the legal ramifications of the content of this thread.

[Snowbird]

And those goldy which are links to valid investigations and court cases with a paper trail are worth posting out here so that the record doesn’t disintegrate by virtue of a lack of interest.

[goldy]

If you lived in Chicago and saw things the way I do living in the middle of it all, when the Repoter who ran sick oneside stories about my Dad day after day in the news." The HELEN BRACH MURDER HAS BEEN SOLVED" and then a few days later The Steven Manning verdict was reached you might look at it like I did and DO!!! That there is a GOD and I thought at the time and still do that GOD was attempting to shed light on these lies showing what these people will do to innocent people. The timming of what the Feds did to Steven Manning could not of been more perfect!!! This story ran on every Chicago news station! If you look at the dates of Gowdy"s sick missinformation and or lies you will see it all happened at a perfect time!!! I was printing copies of this story that day and E-Mailing it to people investigating this DISGRACE!!! Keep up the good work! I think we have many brilliant minds on this. You are doing Great!!! Look at me just as spectater now.I will only respond when I feel compelled.

[goldy]

I am sorry you feel that way radio talk. I also understand that many will not listen.I have thought of telling you all who I am and there are a few resons I might wait. One of them is the way this board went for a long time many of you made me look like a fool. I do not want to be connected with all that craziness. I must admit I needed all those laughs but that was not how I had hoped it would go. Radio talk a family I am very close to needs me.

[Party_Rose]

Good eyes GG

[Foireann_Eireannach]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by goldy:
Am I not understanding what you are saying? Are you saying Joe is honest? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, I am saying that at this point in time, you can neither depend on someone stepping forward and being honest nor can you trust what anyone might say.

You must get hard evidence like bank records, correspondence, or other documents to prove your point. Documents or other evidence can’t be bought off or coerced.

As I recall, certain documents disappeared. They may or may not be relevant to the case. Finding them might help. I have a feeling that they might still exist and weren’t destoyed in order to keep the pressure on certain parties not to talk. I certainly don’t remember anything that could have pointed to your father.

As I said before, I am aware how the media prints or reports complete falsehoods to sell papers, get ratings etc. I haven’t purchased a newspaper in over 20 years because I don’t want to support them. Look at all the reporters who have been exposed as cheats, liars and who have claimed to been reporting stories first hand when they weren’t even there in the last couple of years.