I agree with you totally about Redwine… would love to see him in MY barn.
Hopefully her stallions will end up somewhere where their quality can shine. 
Wouldn’t it be awesome if someone like Edgar/Rainbow Equus ended up with them? :yes:
Yeah - quite amusing that I along with Kathy (Equine Reproduction) were the targets of her latest blog about “substandard breeding practices” :lol:
All because we didnt say “nice” things about her in our posts on various forums … :rolleyes: …
At least she isnt using her “Dexter” alter anymore over on HGS - that was another one she used to attack Kathy with
Absolutely criminal that she is STILL acquiring mares and most surprising of all is that there is anyone left on the Planet Earth that is dealing with her in any manner at all
Interesting about the foreclosure proceedings. I just hope that all of the horses land softly. Its not their fault that they are caught up in this incredible fiasco …
It is truly mind boggling how far reaching this mess has become …
PS - anyone that has said “mean” things about Jill - stay tuned - you too will be featured in her “educational blog” in less than glowing terms in the very near future!
[QUOTE=showjumpers66;6233829]
I can’t tell you how frustrating it is to read comments against those who have spoken up especially when I know that there is so much more behind the scenes that hasn’t been aired publicly and I know, through personal experience, that these people have legitimate grievances. I do agree that threads can quickly escalate past the point of what is appropriate, but that doesn’t change the fact that if you say things like this then no one will speak up with the truth.[/QUOTE]
Silver Creek,
You just proved my point. This thread was dead yet you chose to use my quote and open it up again. If you personally have a bad dealing with another stallion owner fine. But heresay is just that. Would you like me to tell you all I have heard of you? You are representing your business when you post.
Point is we are all adults and capable of making our decisions. I hope you realize there are quite a few people who do not like the drama and will not breed to your stallion because you choose to post negative comments about other stallion owners. Fine yes your friend or their friend had an issue. Let them post that issue. You simply make yourself look like a pot stirrer or a jealous stallion owner.
You say the other stallion owner is posting negative things about you, so you post negative things about them. Why stoop to that?
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Silver Creek,
You just proved my point. This thread was dead yet you chose to use my quote and open it up again. If you personally have a bad dealing with another stallion owner fine. But heresay is just that. Would you like me to tell you all I have heard of you? You are representing your business when you post.
Point is we are all adults and capable of making our decisions. I hope you realize there are quite a few people who do not like the drama and will not breed to your stallion because you choose to post negative comments about other stallion owners. Fine yes your friend or their friend had an issue. Let them post that issue. You simply make yourself look like a pot stirrer or a jealous stallion owner.
You say the other stallion owner is posting negative things about you, so you post negative things about them. Why stoop to that?[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that if a breeder who stands a stallion, has a bad experience with another stallion owner they have tried to do business with, that they should keep mum and not discuss it, because you think that means they do business badly as well?
Please tell me that’s not what you meant. If it is, can I use it for exhibit A of why the general public thinks anyone in the horse business is 2 fries and a nugget short of a happy meal?
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PS - anyone that has said “mean” things about Jill - stay tuned - you too will be featured in her “educational blog” in less than glowing terms in the very near future![/QUOTE]
But isn’t that always the way. When your backed into a corner divert divert divert. Publicly coal raking a few people is just a tactic to get the fire pointed in another direction.
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Are you saying that if a breeder who stands a stallion, has a bad experience with another stallion owner they have tried to do business with, that they should keep mum and not discuss it, because you think that means they do business badly as well?
Please tell me that’s not what you meant. If it is, can I use it for exhibit A of why the general public thinks anyone in the horse business is 2 fries and a nugget short of a happy meal?[/QUOTE]
Not saying that, saying that if there is a specific grievance to be aired, air it. If you want your business rep to be stellar then don’t stir things up from months ago.
I got screwed royally by a stallion owner back east. This SO is still doing just fine. People are going to make their own decisions. I have seen other stallion owners duking it out and it’s just unattractive.
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In Europe there is no box stall shipping on lorries. And it’s not even slant. The are sideways. I see mares and foals heading off like this and they arrive perfectly safe and happy.
Terri[/QUOTE]
Just to be clear you could circle most of Europe a couple of times and not go the distance of one coast-to-coast trip in the US…so no boxes are a bit different there. Just saying…
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Not saying that, saying that if there is a specific grievance to be aired, air it. If you want your business rep to be stellar then don’t stir things up from months ago.
I got screwed royally by a stallion owner back east. This SO is still doing just fine. People are going to make their own decisions. I have seen other stallion owners duking it out and it’s just unattractive.[/QUOTE]
Well I hope that you told people about your experiences.
Too many times, especially in this industry, no one stands up and talks about the people who are screwing others over. If you have been, then talk about it. Warn people. Do you want others to go through the same thing?
[QUOTE=Kmsuds;6234074]
Silver Creek,
You just proved my point. This thread was dead yet you chose to use my quote and open it up again. If you personally have a bad dealing with another stallion owner fine. But heresay is just that. Would you like me to tell you all I have heard of you? You are representing your business when you post.
Point is we are all adults and capable of making our decisions. I hope you realize there are quite a few people who do not like the drama and will not breed to your stallion because you choose to post negative comments about other stallion owners. Fine yes your friend or their friend had an issue. Let them post that issue. You simply make yourself look like a pot stirrer or a jealous stallion owner.
You say the other stallion owner is posting negative things about you, so you post negative things about them. Why stoop to that?[/QUOTE]
Actually she didn’t open it up again, the person above her did. And she was giving everyone a heads up of what kind of business Jill does. Just because she owns a stallion makes her “jealous” since she spoke up??? I don’t know about you, but I’ve seen the stallions she stands, and there is no reason for her to be jealous. Also, she doesn’t make those comments out of “hearsay”…she’s done business with said stallion owner and has been stiffed if I understand correctly. I say she has all the right in the world to stand up and let people know the truth. IMHO. Dam…and I wasn’t going to comment on this thread. :rolleyes:
I’ll be real honest her this little quote in her blogs is not going to make her any new breeder friends.
" Thoroughbreds are fine to add into your program but they have to stand up to a higher standard then a warmblood. To breed a Thoroughbred to a Thoroughbred for anything other then a race horse is foolish"
Lets be honest quotes like this are such a crock , not to drag Glenhill into this disaster but well Jill saw fit too:
“There is a barn in my area Glenhill that has a young cremello Thoroughbred stallion. Her outlook is very different from most of the colored breeders. She will not breed Thoroughbred mares to her Thoroughbred stallion. The offspring of Thoroughbred to Thoroughbred breedings are only good for selling to other breeders for breeding stock, not for show horses”
Now I happen to be a fan of Glenhill and Genevieve and this is NOT discrediting her; but I’m pretty damn sure that last year she bred some TB mares to Jones Hall , doth Jill not remember the very loud dominant white colt “H’ala Mode” (Apachina x Jones Hall) or a quick glance at the sales page provides “H’ All Aboard”( Flashing Phone x Jones Hall) again another TBxTB cross . So how/why can she make such claims…or is it just because shes referencing the cremello stallion and forgotten that JH also stood there and also was a TB.
Just what in gods name is she attempting to do. Do her friends realize shes taking them down with her ?
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Silver Creek,
You say the other stallion owner is posting negative things about you, so you post negative things about them. Why stoop to that?[/QUOTE]
Actually, as the owner of a 2yo Apiro homebred, I was relieved to hear SilverCreek refute the OCD claims made by Jill, when she implied that Apiro’s injury was not really an injury, but OCD.
I wondered about Jill myself, when stallion shopping a few years ago, I made a post on this board regarding stallions with TB blood and got a response about one of Gray Fox’s stallions, but the private message was from “Busy Bee”, although written as if it was from Jill. Red flag. I never said a word about it, but it sure made me pay attention more to who was saying what here.
I certainly have zero negative feelings towards Silver Creek Farms and SJ66.
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Well I hope that you told people about your experiences.
Too many times, especially in this industry, no one stands up and talks about the people who are screwing others over. If you have been, then talk about it. Warn people. Do you want others to go through the same thing?[/QUOTE]
As I stated, I did tell people and some took offense to me doing so. But again if SO wanted to air her own specific grievance fine, but she did not. And she chose to quote my post as if I said it is NOT fine to post your own grievance. The thread had digressed way beyond the original post and I had a problem with that. And SO had a problem with my comment. So her misunderstanding means I have no desire to breed to her stallions. (I’m sure she probably doesn’t want me as a client either),again point is getting wrapped up in the drama does negative things to a business.
I read her latest blog. I guess with all her legal/financial issues of late, she hasn’t paid any attention to all the renewed interest and programs for TBs in the hunter/jumper arena. I mean, clearly, she knows far more about success in the hunter/jumper world than the Maddens, GM, Michael Matz et al.
These quotes from her blog make me want to gag.
" She will not breed Thoroughbred mares to her Thoroughbred stallion. The offspring of Thoroughbred to Thoroughbred breedings are only good for selling to other breeders for breeding stock, not for show horses."
“Thoroughbreds are fine to add into your program but they have to stand up to a higher standard then a warmblood. To breed a Thoroughbred to a Thoroughbred for anything other then a race horse is foolish. The exception is a event horse using proven parents although adding some warmblood is seen more and more.”
Someone better call up Gail and tell her Jill B said breeding TB’s is bad. I call not it.
TCF I have witnessed many ravings from you and not just directed at Gray Fox, I would think, again, as a business owner you would try and stay out of the fray, but you incite, inflame and obsess so much I would steer clear of your program for that reason alone. (again I’m sure you don’t want me as a client either)
my post did not say people should not speak up about their own individual dealings, it was about stallion owners bashing stallion owner and a thread that had digressed to how CA horse breeders suck and people who don’t hire air ride trailers are idiots. (ok not exactly those words but close enough)
Though it’s been a while I do not remember a stallion owner with a specific grievance of their own.
DLee I did not read anything on OCD so can’t comment to that.
I have waffled back and forth over the course of the past year wether or not to post about my own GFF/JB experience. If this foreclosure of her property does indeed go through, then I hope that those mares land softly. The foals, and especially the stallions will be fine, but that’s an awful lot of mares to place.
The worst decision I’ve ever made as a horse owner was sending my mare to Jill, and the best thing I ever did was yank her off that property when the red flags became apparent. Thank goodness I used a diligent shipper who refused to leave without getting my mare on the trailer. I paid every bill owed to Jill for “care” and “breeding” and especially for “shoes” (please note my sarcasm here) but was left with slick answers, empty promises and a beat-up mare. Never again will I ever think to be associated with anything involving JB. It’s sad how far greed will take a person. I’m interested to see how this saga unfolds for the horses involved and I hope that the owners involved find some peace eventually. I’m thankful that my own mare is safe.
And I had to shake my head when I heard you mention OCD, DLee. The story that JB fed to me about Apiro was a completely different one. My condolences to you, Showjumpers66. I’m sure you’ve heard it all at this point. :no:
The internet sure does make things interesting for business owners…all sorts of businesses.
If someone is to bash your reputation (as a business owner, not an individual) on the internet and you feel it is either a lie, misrepresented or just one sided does one just:
- ignore it and hope it goes away, or
- respond to it
It seems that if one responds to it (as Silver Creek did) either you get folks that back you or ones that say you have stooped to the level of the initial complainer. But if you don’t respond how do you plea your case and get your facts out?
I am not saying this as a supporter or detractor to Silver Creek, but more as a question as to what people feel business owners should do in these situations. Ie; as a customer how do you prefer businesses to respond to internet bashing/complaints/negative comments?
Goose7!, I’m thrilled for you that your client’s mare is spared from all of this. Well done and best of luck on finding a suitable and legitimate place for the mare. Had the present information about GFF existed back when I was dealing with Jill, I would have not gotten my mare involved either.
i was just looking at the GFF website… has sh really sold upwards of 50 foals at 10k+ each? is she really going to have something like 20 + foals this year?
wow. she must be the only breeder expanding in this bad economy… i hope all those horses end up in good place if/when it all falls apart.
