Reading this and beeing on the board for a long time and also knowing someone who was sued because of her: why isn’t there any horse magazine putting the facts together and writing an article so that nationwide people read what is going on ? It is not even bad mouthing if the facts are put together and all those lawsuits are listed up - right ? (or alone those that are ended and where she lost…).
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Reading this and beeing on the board for a long time and also knowing someone who was sued because of her: why isn’t there any horse magazine putting the facts together and writing an article so that nationwide people read what is going on ? It is not even bad mouthing if the facts are put together and all those lawsuits are listed up - right ? (or alone those that are ended and where she lost…).[/QUOTE]
as far as i know, beyond COTH , there istn a real news source for horse people that is based on real reporting and that istn just marketing and fluff.
which is too bad.
fwiw, my guess is most of the mare are elsewhere. how could you house 40 mares and foals on less than 5 acres? with only a small barn?
i think it would behoove mare owners if they could band together with their legal docs and head to the sheriff and ask for help or discuss with an attorney as a group.
and it needs to be done NOW before she files for a BK. once that happens all is lost to mare owners.
Well I hope those of you who have the various pieces of information on legal actions will contact RateMyHorsePro.com. They can obtain the proper documents and post them on the website. They have been super about giving exposure to past and current civil and criminal cases. It’s also a great place to RATE - Horse Professionals. The sign up fee of $5 is well worth the access to information and also to give your rating to horse professionals you have worked with anonymously.
RateMyHorsePro.com does not rate breeders it seems but this seems to make a nice episode of “American Greed” or “I(almost) got away with it”
I only know from people calling me and reading this forum that they think maybe their horses (horses they bought and or mares on lease) are in jeopardy and people are worried about their well being and future especially since some are due to foal in just weeks. I also know from out of town owners Jill is still making the same promises to them to pay next week on some of these mares she defaulted on. There are places close enough to get a pregnant mare safely where they can foal. I was thinking about the episode from 2 weeks ago where it took a few police officers to get a mare that Jill had hidden on the farm next door. It seems there are a few people that want their horse back. It may be worth contacting the local sheriff and do it in one swoop. They should be pretty familiar with the drill by now.
I am a Social Worker by education and profession, as well as an owner and breeder of horses. I have this to say: Pathology will continue to thrive under the cloak of secrecy, protection and bullshit unless the truth is exposed to end it. I am bound by ethics and legality in my own work to respond responsibly to red flags, and come on, there are so many red flags here just starting with the OP who had a mare who was abandoned in transit, plus all of the public records and posts that point to fraud and an inability to financially care for, what, some 40+ mares and some stallions, multiple warrants, debts owed to professionals, feed stores, veterinarians and more. There is no reasonable defense for abandoning the mare in the OPs post, not now or ever. Yes, I hope for all of the horses to land well. No doubt many, many posters on this thread hope for the same.
I’m sure Rate MyHorsePro would consider adding a Breeder category as they expand and have a larger number of people subscribe.
Thank you Edgar for doing the right thing and getting that mare out of there. I believe the majority of people following this situation are first and foremost concerned about the HORSES.
It’s clear things are going south in this situation. Would it be possible to put together a list of breeders/farms that are within a sensible distance (100 miles? 200 miles?) that could foal out mares if and when owners need/want them moved? (I’m not saying for free, I’m sure the owners are paying board to GrayFox).
(and just so I’m clear on this, mares in foal to Redwine don’t pose a risk to other mares when foaling do they?)
I would think a responsible person would have taken it as an opportunity to explain what their plans are and how the care of the mares would not be jeopardized during this bump in the road. Not just delete it.
[quote=RoyParker;6236297] The point was no one posting knows if other arrangements have been made, and to create hysteria without knowledge doesn’t always work well.
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So, to you it is better that the people whose mares are there be left in the dark and know nothing?
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It’s clear things are going south in this situation. Would it be possible to put together a list of breeders/farms that are within a sensible distance (100 miles? 200 miles?) that could foal out mares if and when owners need/want them moved? (I’m not saying for free, I’m sure the owners are paying board to GrayFox).
(and just so I’m clear on this, mares in foal to Redwine don’t pose a risk to other mares when foaling do they?)[/QUOTE]
I know of three repro facilities within a two hour drive that foal out mares regularly, one near UC Davis, one in Wilton, and one in Ione. Any mare owners who are looking for names and contact info can p.m. or email me. I’m sure Edgar can provide names too (and maybe even foals outside mares?). He’s about the same distance up the road.
There is no question that this is an extremely difficult situation to anyone who has a horse in this situation – whether it is one they’ve bought or a mare leased. If they are not getting a response from Jill, they would be best served to very quickly get their proof of ownership together and pick up their animal. “Waiting” to see how it works out, “waiting” to see if she does or doesn’t have to leave her farm or “waiting” to see if she’s filing bankruptcy (no idea whether she is, did or whatever) will only put these people at risk for significantly higher legal costs trying to sort this out.
Whatever is happening to Jill is just a side show @ this point and frankly people would be best served to get their animals and then determine what to do regarding their relationship with Jill at a later date. (that be easy for me, I wouldn’t have one with her, but hey I don’t know the whole story so I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt.)
However, timing is everything and as difficult and complicated as it is given how far away many people may be they really need to get on it before the situation deteriorates. (in my opinion)
I wish everyone much luck in a speedy resolution.
There are several local breeders who might be willing to take in mare pending health certs etc.
I don’t want to post names, but if folks were to create a coalition of mare owners then working with a local person it would be probably pretty easy to get all those mares moved and placed for foaling.
for mares and youngsters there are lots of different options.
but the thing is: i dont think you can just to trespass and pick up a horse - i think you will need to contact the sheriff…
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I can’t comment on her horsekeeping without first-hand recent knowledge.[/QUOTE]
Two words, people. Google Earth.
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There are several local breeders who might be willing to take in mare pending health certs etc.
I don’t want to post names, but if folks were to create a coalition of mare owners then working with a local person it would be probably pretty easy to get all those mares moved and placed for foaling.
for mares and youngsters there are lots of different options.
but the thing is: i dont think you can just to trespass and pick up a horse - i think you will need to contact the sheriff…[/QUOTE]
Wow, this sucks for people. Owners would have to check the specific law in California, but normally where I am you need to show proof of ownership (check, bill of sale, registration) and depending on the situation (this one is probably a yes) you may need to be accompanied by the Sheriff. Since she apparently doesn’t respond to people then yes they’ll probably need an escort. Though I am actually not sure that you can’t just go get it as if you are boarding there you must have a right to enter the property, no? I think you can here unless you’ve signed something that would specifically limit you.
I just hope people understand they have full legal right to get their animal and they should do it. All the other stuff like who owes who, is she going to claim everyone owes a huge amount of board etc should be sorted out after the people have their horses back. Obviously, anyone with a horse should ask an attorney for the best course asap.
No I do not foal out or board for others.
I am just putting some people together for owners who contacted me and want their horses out. I really do not think anything else can be done for those there right now unless there is a breach of contract and or clear ownership. I do not think that any horses need rescuing for health concerns right now but agree the future looks uncertain. I assume they are being fed. I also really do not know the amount of horses there owned by another party. It seems just as easy to get 3 or 4 out as it would be to get two when the sheriff gets involved. A few who have been there done that including the Sheriff have offered to be on stand by to assist. Weird to see so much resistance and no apologies coming from Jill. An explanation would go a long way.
another thing: if those mares are on someone else’s property (likely) then that person should not be allowing people willy nilly to come pick up horses, so they will need to be brought into the process of this…
can you imagine being that person? how do you know who own what? makes me shudder just thinking about it!
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Two words, people. Google Earth.[/QUOTE]
Well, you got me…to all those who said she couldn’t possibly be keeping 40 mares there and they must be off in some nice big green field somewhere. I counted about 36 (that I could see including the ones clustered under the trees for cover in the larger pen across the lane) in that picture on google earth in those nasty dirt pens with very limited shelter (it appears). Also, there is no hay in those pens that is visible. Granted, Google Earth pictures can be older, but it doesn’t sound like her horse keeping has been on the upswing.
That picture was a stunner for me.
324 HANNAN RANCH LANE PETALUMA , CA 94952
put it in your search bar and click on the maps. On the street view you can see some are babies, one mare (?) is laying flat out in the sun (Im sure fine but appears dead, hopefully just sleeping). Honestly, look at the aerial and the street view and tell me you think that’s a sound operation for mares and foals.
This whole thing makes me sick at heart.
There have been so many red flags the past few years about her animal hoarding, non-payment of bills, bounced checks, refusal to send breeding certificates, misinformation about her stallions’ approval/activation statuses, misinformation to breeders about EVA, etc., etc.
And now she has apparently lost her farm to foreclosure - just wow.
And where is her husband in all this? Didn’t I see a man’s name listed on the property deed a few posts back? Has he just stood by and let this happen?
Methinks the folks who do those hoarding shows like Buried Alive need to do a series on animal hoarders. :mad:
Counted again, over 40 including babies. And that’s just whats visible.
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Counted again, over 40 including babies. And that’s just whats visible.[/QUOTE]
no, you are looking at the wrong property. her place is only around 5 acres and is all on one side of the road. the other side of the road is a different property entirely.
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no, you are looking at the wrong property. her place is only around 5 acres and is all on one side of the road. the other side of the road is a different property entirely.[/QUOTE]
OK, well just for you I counted the ones on just the one side of the road and it is 38 that are clearly visible. I was giving her the benefit of the doubt that some of hers might be in the larger field across the lane and not just in those overcrowded pens that don’t look like they’ve seen a blade of grass in eons.
So, no I am not looking at the wrong property…unfortunately.
