Pristine, you just made my point. Hansen’s dam did break her maiden for $5,000. She then went on to win a claimer for $30,000, at Churchill Downs, ran 3rd in an allowance at Churchill, and then won a starter allowance. Three wins in 4 starts, was then retired due to issues. She had talent and class and heart.
Talented mares with heart make the best broodmares.
[QUOTE=Pristine;6355837]
I happen to believe that Concetta’s mare Ashleys Due has a better pedigree than Quite An Evening and her race record means nothing as a broodmare. Hansen’s dam won a maiden $5K claimer. Do your homework people. Mares that could not win a race have produced stakes winners and champions. Devil His Due as broodmare sire has Game On Dude by Awesome Again won over $2 Million. His daughters have stakes winners with Medaglia D’Oro,Catienus,Louis Quatorze,etc. The black type on her dam side is not far back and she has potential if her conformation is OK. Devil His Due raced 40 of his 41 starts drug free. You should choose a stallion who has no faults in common with the mare who was sound fast and had class and if possible a cross that has proven to produce good horses. As for the Rock Point mare I have not checked her pedigree yet. I do not know if laurierace had only 1 drug overage since the site I looked at only listed the last 3 years and she has trained far fewer horses in far fewer places than the successful trainers who also rely on assistant trainers and are sometimes nowhere near the track one of their horses is racing at. In my opinion trainers who care about their horses do not race them on bute especially not more than the allowed amount. If the horse is not sound they should not run.[/QUOTE]
OK so let me side track a moment. I looked you up Pristine. And this isn’t your first beef with Laurie. It’s not even the weirdest. So what are we missing?
BTW… do you know the specifics of that bute positive? I do. From multiple sources. And let me tell you, it was nothing to do with Laurie. But I can see reasonably how people can look at a website and make assumptions based on words in black and white. But they don’t necessarily paint the whole picture.
You’re railing on about what a broodmare is capable of producing but on another thread you say you’ve only had one foal. So let’s pause for a moment.
Laurie’s credentials to speak on racing and breeding are established. Concetta’s credentials to speak about her ownership of the mare and showing are established.
So now… what are your credentials to speak on this topic? What experience do you have (real world please) to speak about what tendencies exist in breeding of one type of mare versus another. And really I know I sound like I am being snarky, I’m not. I am asking for your info so we can all determine if you have a voice that is worth listening to and weighing the opinions that emanate from it. Or if we think that you’re projecting theories that don’t have as much value like you just have a friend of a friend who bred 5 mares 15 years ago or the like.
So… What are your qualifications?
~Emily
I may not have trained horses myself but I would set much higher standards for considering a trainer successful than 2 $100K earners. My horse is a stakes winner of over $228K and sired by a horse who set a new world record and earned over $600K. I have been on the backside and have followed horse racing and breeding on and off since Bold Ruler was at stud. My ex at one time worked for Mr. Prospector’s trainer. If raising a foal out of their mare makes one a successful breeder I can make that claim also. I do not deserve to be insulted. I have spent time trying to educate people about proper horse care and posted info about horses to try to get them placed. I have cared about horses my entire life. My first 3 horses were 2 starving mares and a stallion who I bought from a kill buyer and had gelded.
[QUOTE=Pristine;6355919]
I do not deserve to be insulted. I have spent time trying to educate people about proper horse care and posted info about horses to try to get them placed. I have cared about horses my entire life. [/QUOTE]
Funny Laurie can say the exact same thing yet you’re freely insulting her.
Why don’t we try that shoe on the other foot and see how you like it? Hmmmmm
~Emily
I have already been insulted. I do not believe Laurierace cares much about horses especially since she seems so fond of insulting other peoples horses. She is not qualified to judge IMO. If she was such a great judge of horses and was the expert she claims to be she would have done much better. She bought 2 year olds in training one of which was Sky Pegasus. She bought him for $10K he had 2 starts won 0. Angel Acres Horse Haven Rescue said she slandered them which I am sure did not help them place horses.
Pristine.
Bottom line… You keep insulting people. You keep droning on about Laurie’s lack of whatever. You’re taking stuff off the internet and twisting it to tell you the story you want.
Knowing the FACTS and talking about what you were directly involved in is a much better idea.
So let’s take the case of Mr. Sky Pegasus. He was a $10k purchase. Bred by a leading breeder by a sire whose stud fee at the time was a lot higher than $10k. So if you’re a trainer who has $10k and you get a chance to try to run a Fu Peg baby, wouldn’t you at least try?
She trained, cared for and fed the horse for more than 8 months. He ran twice. Never below $25k claimers.
NEVER in danger. Never pushed, never drugged nor mistreated.
WOW… isn’t she a schmuck. (Sarcasm) Seriously I am sure you and your training ways would have done better.
Emily
Laurie buying a $10k horse that goes 0 for 2 means she’s unqualified to speak on racing issues? Todd Pletcher advises on the purchases of millions of dollars of horses a year, many of which never see a track. If I pointed to 10 babies he selected last year that are still unraced despite costing over $250k each will you call him unqualified.
Laurie has been in the trenches with placing unwanted TB’s and sees the problems poorly bred horses often face.
I know that average mares sometimes throw very good runners but they are usually more about “catching lightning in a jar” than good fundamentals. In many cases that mare never throws another good one. For every one that becomes a success there are thousands that are slow and end up “homeless.” We talk about the Seabiscuits (1930’s) and the Alsab’s (40’s) and the Carry Back’s (60’s) because they are the exception to the rule.
I tend to think that budget minded breeders can find nice mares with quality families running for tags (even low ones) and I gave a recent example of a mare at Tampa on another thread. In this economy mares that would be scooped up are running longer and lower.
To me, if horses aren’t the prime source of income, they are in essence a hobby. LaurieB doesn’t expect to survive on what she does in breeding and racing. Laurierace did. The latter is a professional who had a business. The former is an enthusiast with a racing sideline. When I used the figure 90%, that’s what I was considering. Most owners today have other sources of income; there seem to be more than a few doctors and real estate people and IT millionaires today who race and breed on the side. It’s always been that way. Without a trust fund, inherited money, or a successful primary business to support the losses, racing/breeding owners would be few and far between.
And that’s not centuries out of date; that’s the reality as it has been and continues to be.
[QUOTE=Laurierace;6355648]
Shoot the messenger. I hope you guys are happy now.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for being a straight shooter in this thread and others when it comes to breeding. The voice of reason and common horse sense isn’t always popular, especially in a game built on dreams.
Pristine has some serious issues with Laurierace, likely jealousy. Very ugly emotion. Get over it. That last post made me laugh out loud. Laurierace doesnt care about horses, ha! Good one. She couldnt take a cheap $10,000 son of Fu Peg and make him a star. Wah. I think its far more impressive that she herself could breed to a stallion in New Jersey, who was useful but no star, raise and break the foal herself, and have a long successful career with that mare as owner, breeder, and trainer.
How much better do you think she should have done? She made over a million in purse money in her career. She has nearly 50% in the money in over 500 starts. So she obviously did something right.
Now its nice of you to have rescued that stallion and mare that you have, but as far as having the credentials to judge Laurierace, I think not.
Honestly you sound like some 10 year old kid whining because someone has something that you can’t have.
[QUOTE=Pristine;6355919]
I may not have trained horses myself but I would set much higher standards for considering a trainer successful than 2 $100K earners. My horse is a stakes winner of over $228K and sired by a horse who set a new world record and earned over $600K. I have been on the backside and have followed horse racing and breeding on and off since Bold Ruler was at stud. My ex at one time worked for Mr. Prospector’s trainer. If raising a foal out of their mare makes one a successful breeder I can make that claim also. I do not deserve to be insulted. I have spent time trying to educate people about proper horse care and posted info about horses to try to get them placed. I have cared about horses my entire life. My first 3 horses were 2 starving mares and a stallion who I bought from a kill buyer and had gelded.[/QUOTE]
Did you race and train that stallion. NO. You probably rescued him or got him off Canter. If you have followed horse racing since Bold Ruler was at stud, you sure didnt learn much. And I have a news flash for you; Jimmy Croll probably hired 300 people in his lifetime. So working for him doesnt give your “ex” much clout. And who said raising a foal out of a mare makes them a successful breeder. Do you make this stuff up as you go along? Its raising a foal and being successful with it, makes one a successful breeder.
You can’t be as obtuse as you sound. And as far as you being insulted, you threw the first punch.
I am not jealous at all. She has done nothing to be jealous of. She constantly runs down everyone elses horses and claims to know it all.
[QUOTE=Pristine;6356155]
I am not jealous at all. She has done nothing to be jealous of. She constantly runs down everyone else’s horses and claims to know it all.[/QUOTE]
As opposed to constantly running down a poster with a different opinion and going on and on about things which you have yet to prove any kind of solid credibility to speak on. And even so you claim to know better than her.
Yea… you’re much better than her!
Unreal.
~Emily
You’re coming off looking like a fool, Pristine. Laurierace has an established record as a trainer and as someone who cares about the fate of the thoroughbred enough to have placed dozens who are not even hers in good situations over the years. She’s one of the few people I would trust with my horse, if I was considering getting into racing, and I’ve been around the backside long enough to know quite a few trainers.
Back away from the keyboard, and start considering what an ugly bedfellow envy makes.
We’re closing this thread as it’s gotten into personal commentary and away from the original topic.
Thanks,
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