as far as i know you’d have to be friends with the person who put the video up, so i’ll try to get that fixed so everyone can see it.
here you go!
much worse quality video but here it is on youtube.
ha ha ha
Josh does not own Ralph. Black Beauty tours does. You only met Ralph for the first time when you started at Black Beauty.
Beautiful big grey! Glad you had fun!
P.
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Josh does not own Ralph. Black Beauty tours does. You only met Ralph for the first time when you started at Black Beauty.[/QUOTE] Seems a little random???
Who’s Josh? Ralph’s the horse??? What’s Black Beauty Tours???
What is this about???
Likewise with the weird PM you sent me??? Not a clue what that was about??
I am Josh.
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Josh does not own Ralph. Black Beauty tours does. You only met Ralph for the first time when you started at Black Beauty.[/QUOTE]
excuse me? i didn’t say i owned ralph, and when i said our dog cart, i am employed by black beauty line ltd. ‘‘our’’ means the company. so yes i can say our this and our that. what does this have to do with anything??? i’ve shown lots of horses that i don’t know.
this wasn’t a ‘‘look at what i own’’ thread. but thanks for helping to clear up the confusion that no one else had.
Josh (now that wee know your name!): I was not confused as you always said the horse belonged to your employer. What a big beautiful Percheron! Although I am a “Clyde person” I really love the look of the grey Percherons. Percherons always seem to do well in the draft shows I have been to, and they usually look magnificent in the show ring. I am so glad you enjoyed the experience of driving in a draft show. You may not know, but I am a big advocate of doing a lot of different things in the driving world, and now you’ve had the opportunity to see the differences between draft shows and combined driving, which I think is good. I assume your employer provides “tours” and wonder what Ralph thought when he went into the show ring, since it is so different from his uusual activities. I bet he enjoyed it as well. Perhaps you can try some other types of shows with him, if your employer is ok with that. My Clydes do very well at open pleasure shows, although I only do the smaller local shows. It is kind of fun to go in the ring with a bunch of ponies and light horses. You are lucky to have a job that involves driving. I am envious.
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excuse me? i didn’t say i owned ralph, and when i said our dog cart, i am employed by black beauty line ltd. ‘‘our’’ means the company. so yes i can say our this and our that. what does this have to do with anything??? i’ve shown lots of horses that i don’t know.
this wasn’t a ‘‘look at what i own’’ thread. but thanks for helping to clear up the confusion that no one else had.[/QUOTE]
Actually, in post #39 you DID say this:
Ralph is my horse. He’s only 5 years old. As a three year old he was a wheeler from a hitch in washington and then we bought him. for two years he was in our paddock and then we used him on the street doing tours a few times a few months ago. he’s been at home for a while with no work (a few months maybe?) anyway. he did great. one of the girls placed 1st in her class with him.
How your saying things and presenting yourself is not very professional nor would I, if I owned a livery stable or carriage service, care to find out that someone in my employ was on a list saying that my horses that I pay for, feed, shod, etc. is leading people to think they owned one of my animals. Perhaps a call to the proprietor of the carriage service you claim to work for would clear this matter up. What you are doing is misrepresentation…
And the correct term, least here in the US, is wheel horse…
Wheeler is correct. It is even in the dictionary. It is a term often used by big hitches.
wheel·er (hwlr, w-)
- One that wheels.
- A thing that moves on or is equipped with wheels or a wheel. Often used in combination: a three-wheeler; a paddle-wheeler.
- A wheel horse.
NFD did write that he was hoping to use Ralph in an earlier post -he was pretty clear that he did not own him but that he was hoping to drive him in the show (as opposed to the Clydes). Then he wrote that “Ralph” was his horse. I understood him to mean that this was the horse he was driving, although if you didn’t read his earlier posts…I could understand the confusion.
Actually, look post #4. It says “The horses are my bosses”. In that class, Ralph was my horse to drive. Who gives a patoot who owns the horse, this isn’t about ownership. I was asking for input and advice on driving drafts.
“Wheelers” is the most common term used for wheel horses in the draft world. My two Clydes are the wheelers for the hitch I drive with. I own them. I don’t own the others in the hitch, yet have been known to refer to them as “our” horses. For some reason, throughout reading the posts on this thread, I always had the impression nfld_pony referred to the horse as “his horse” because it was the horse he would be driving in the show. The hitch my horses show in shows under someone else’s barn name. I don’t care if she refers to it as “her hitch” even though she doesn’t own the wheelers, and I don’t care when the driver calls it “his hitch” when he doesn’t own any of them. As long as I get the ribbons and premiums when I drive, I am happy.
Ditto what Joan said, I think of it as a pride in the horses/camaraderie in the barn “team” kind of thing. I’ve said “our horse” in reference to a client’s horse many times when I was managing h/j barns. Many grooms and riders from the show circuit to the racetrack will refer to their favorite as “their” horse. No big deal, just means you love 'em and you’re proud to be holding the shank, or the lines.
His boss has shown and was showing the horses. Josh was permited to do one class before he abondoned his horse still hitched to have words with judge. He is not permited to show again as he yelled at the conveynor.
Josh is not in charge he was allowed an opportunity he failed at in every feasable way.
Okay- Josh- I’m glad you enjoyed showing. Some of the more recent posts on this thread have left me a bit confused about your relationship to Ralph, too. Not that it really matters who owns Ralph, but is he the horse you regularly drive on tours? I thought that when you said Ralph is your horse you meant he is the horse you drive regularly for a carriage company called Black Beauty. But then in your post about the show, you said you had never driven Ralph.
So does that mean that you do own Ralph, but you borrowed a cart from your employer to use for the show? And you also work for this carriage company, but you drive another horse when you are giving tours?
If Ralph belongs to Black Beauty, then you are very lucky that the owner of this company seems also to want to have his/her employees show the company’s horses as well as drive them to give tours.
Ralph is a very nice Percheron. If he is a working carriage horse, I bet he was pretty calm at the show grounds. I watched your video and it seems that the class certainly had a wide variety of participants with a variety of rigs and attire.
But the important thing is that you tried something new for you and you had fun 
One thing I have learned about COTH in general is that sometimes some posters strain at gnats. And as far as “wheelers” goes-- I have heard both “wheel horse” and “wheeler” (though less often) used to describe the horses that are closest to the wagon – or what ever is being pulled. Even if mules are being used, the ones closest are called wheel horse-- often pronounced “wheelhoss” as though it is all one word without an “r” in it.
And some people call the wheel horse on the left the “near” wheel horse and the one on the right the “off” wheel horse, but some people say near for the one on the left and “far” for the one on the right. But if a person is sitting to the right, then really the near horse is farther away
not nearer.
Just goes to show that driving can be confusing enough just on its own.
And Canuckmel-- What is your “deal” here? Why the attack posts about Josh? Do you both work for the same company or rival companies??
Anyway, Josh again I’m glad you had fun, and if you liked showing, I hope you will get a chance to do more of it.
Ralph is owned by the company. The white horse in front of me in the video is also in the company. the red and black cart is also part of black beauty. the cart i drove in is a friend of mine that offered to let us use it if we wanted to. which we did. when i say ralph is my horse, it didn’t mean MY horse. He was the horse i drove in the class.
i drive for the company. i don’t drive ralph. like i said. ralph was a hitch horse (and i don’t even know if he was a wheeler, but i think he was) anyway. we bought him as a young guy. he’s only 5 now turning six. i don’t know why he wasn’t used on the street, i don’t know if there was a reason other than he was young. we started to use him this year as a pair. he did great on the street. then the fair came and we thought it was be a great opportunity to show the company, the horses, and most mostly have fun.
Melissa, i’m sorry if you felt that i failed. i didn’t place last. the judge said i placed as i did only becuase the horses in front were too slow and didn’t allow me to actually SHOW “my” horse. And yes, I did yell at the convenor for entering me in the wrong class.
you make it sound like i just jumped and left him there. there were many people, two or three of them at least that were holding him and getting him out of the cart. he wasn’t in the cart when i went to speak to the judge. there was a small opportunity to speak to him while i felt the class was still fresh in his mind.
You admitted to yelling at the convenor? and you think you were justified in doing so?
If i didn’t admit, wouldn’t that be lieing?
She came around to confirm who was going in the next class up. We then asked who was able to show in amateur. She told me that I wasn’t allowed to enter the amateur class because I’d shown before. I then walked up to her and said I would like to add for the team competition class. She said okay. then when I got back to our horses we decided that who we were able to enter for the amatuer class. I went back up to her and said “I have an entry for the amateur class, when can we do it?” she said ‘oh now or later but i don’t have my book here - that man has it’ and i guess she meant the ringstewart because he was handing back and forth a clipboard. So I said, oh okay, I’ll do it later. She was there talking to her daughter and looking at her phone and talking about a voicemail or something. I then ran back and got in the wagon to go in for the team competition class and walked to the gate and then she said to the person in the ring, okay you can just stay in there now as we award the ribbons and i was like what? it’s my turn and then the ring stewart had all the cones took up and i wasn’t allowed to go in.
the amateur class came, and it was an everyone-in-at-the-same-time class. We only had one carriage, and we had an entry in it. I was told that I wasn’t allowed in the class, and if I was allowed to, we still had no vehicle to drive in. and only minutes before she told me that I wasn’t allowed in that class due to having shown before. Soooo…
I walked up to her and I was like ‘‘so what happened?’’ and she was like fuming pointing her pen and me and she started to yell first and right from the top of things and then i matched her. yes. She said that I was a late entry, well so was most of our team. You went in, and Fran, and and Beck and Rob. At least three of those were late entried and entered the day of the show.
She messed up big time!
I did want to thank you for helping with Ralph’s braiding though. It looked great.
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And the correct term, least here in the US, is wheel horse…[/QUOTE]
Not anywhere I’ve ever been in the USA.
And not in the UK.
It’s a wheeler.
I understood the horse to belong to the OP’s company. But then I tend to read in entirity and for context and understanding.
