Help Registering a Hanoverian

[Ajierene]

I bred my Thoroughbred mare last year to a Hanoverian stallion and we have a beautiful filly.

I am looking to get the filly registerd with the AHS. I know I have to have the mare approved and there is an inspection Nov 6 an 7 in Leesburg, VA that we are going to.

The stallion owner already sent the Certificate of Pedigree to the society. Do I need any paperwork for the inspection?

I also want to make sure I have my fees correct.

I need to pay:
2011 membership fee $80
Mare Inspestion Fee $125
2011 Foal Registration Fee $185

So, a total of $390.

Am I missing any fees?

Also, does it matter if a ‘pro’ presents the horse (as in someone who does in-hand showing a lot) or can I? A lot of this is the experience for me, so I would like to go down. I plan to bring my trainer with me, who has presented horses to warmblood registries before. The mare and foal inspection is on the first day, so I am probably going to drive down the day before and stable, since it is a 4 hour trip.

For the inspection, am I correct in thinking my mare will show in hand only? What about braiding? I know the mare’s mane should be braided. What about the tail? What about the filly (she still has that little spikey foal mane - how do you braid that?!?)

Am I missing anything?

[kokoda]

Registered Thoroughbreds are automatically eligible, but their owners must provide a copy of their mare’s registration certificate when enrolling. For Thoroughbreds only, a 5-generation pedigree will be required if the mare is accepted. The ORIGINAL certificate of registration for every mare being inspected must be available at the inspection site.

You’ll present your mare first since she needs to be approved prior to their inspecting your foal. Make sure you present your mare in the best possible light, groomed, braided and in a bridle. You may want to invest in a professional handler.

There is always someone in the AHS office to help you with specific questions and they have a comprehensive overview on their website: http://www.hanoverian.org/2011-inspection-tour-general-information/

Hope that helps! Good luck!!

[Home_Again_Farm]

I highly recommend a professional handler. Though AHS does accept TB mares, they are quite stringent in their inspection standards. It is wise to stack the deck in your favor in every possible way.

[Bent_Hickory]

[QUOTE=Home Again Farm;5734426]
I highly recommend a professional handler. Though AHS does accept TB mares, they are quite stringent in their inspection standards. It is wise to stack the deck in your favor in every possible way.[/QUOTE]

I agreed with Mary Lou. A $50 handler fee could make the difference between the mare being accepted or not. The score for trot/elasticity for TB mares must be at least a 7 and this is where a handler could change the outcome.

The mare will show on the line (conformation), in-hand at the walk (in a walk ring with several other mares), and in-hand at the trot, and optionally free-running.

Mare’s mane should be braided but typically not tails. Foals can be braided - most are - but not mandatory. Ultimately “neatness” will suffice.

[Ajierene]

Thanks for the help so far. I will set about finding a professional handler and I do need to start working on my braiding skills (I may get a pro for that also).

I have my mare’s papers, so that is no problem.

[ahf]

General information, including the contact number for two handlers and a braider can be found here:
http://www.mahanoverians.com/MareShowsAndMPT/2011InspectionGenInfo.html

[DownYonder]

Considering how tough AHS is on TB mares, and the fact that your AHS inspection isn’t till November, you may want to consider taking your mare and foal to an earlier inspection with another registry such as OHBS/GOV, ISR/ONA, or RPSI. Most approved Hanoverian stallions are also approved with some or all of these registries, or are at least eligible for a breeding allowance from them.

I personally wouldn’t want to risk having my mare turned down by AHS and only getting an AHS Certificate of Pedigree for the filly instead of full registration papers. I might feel differently if the foal was a colt, but a COP will deny a filly entrance into the Main Mare Book of many WB registries.

[clint]

As much as I love AHS, I agree with DY. It is very difficult to get a TB mare approved AHS, and with your inspection being so late in the year, you have no other options except a COP or trying again with a different registry next year for foal papers, and should something happen to the mare in the meantime, your foal would be left with a COP. GOV approval will give you access to any stallion approved by a major registry for the mare, and registration for your foal.

[ahf]

Or, instead of waiting until the November inspection, you could take the mare and foal to one of the AHS sites in August in PA, MD and VA. THe foal will be 2 and a half months by then, yes? Old enough to travel. She may even show herself better than she will at 5 months.

If you want to PM or me, I’ll be more than happy to help you find a way to make this work for you and your mare.

[Ajierene]

Thanks for the suggestions. What is wrong with November? Is it just late in the season and they are more picky because they have ‘enough new mares’ or something?

The problem with August is that I will not be around from Aug 9 to 18, which is when all the dates seem to be! I have no issues with trailering baby - she’s already taken her first ride to the place where she is going to wean and grow up with another baby.

I do not see on the website where this stallion is approved by any other registry and he is still on the young side so they may not have accomplished that yet.

Thanks, ahf, I am going to talk to my trainer and see what she thinks, I will probably send you a PM tomorrow.

[back_in_the_saddle]

What is wrong with November? Is it just late in the season and they are more picky because they have ‘enough new mares’ or something?

What people are trying to say (without seeing your mare) is that she will probably be turned down because they are very very tough on TB mares. I’ve seen some nice TB mares NOT approved AHS becasue they didn’t meet one of the requirements. 6 instead of 7 for elasticity and that was the only nonpassing mark.

So IF she is not approved in November, the foal would only get a COP which means it is NOT approved for breeding within AHS. IF something happened to the dam, between now and the next inspections next year, there is NO chance of getting her into any higher books with GOV (or another registry).

She would be accepted into (at the very least) a lower book with GOV if presented now. So to be (almost) guaranteed better papers on the filly, get the mare approved GOV first. And then take her to AHS later. You’re covering your bases this way.

NOW… reading your post again it sounds like the filly’s sire isn’t an approved Hanoverian. So he only has a COP? In that case, I don’t think your filly can get anything but a COP since it doesn’t sound like he’s an approved stallion. ???

[Ajierene]

[QUOTE=back in the saddle;5735408]
NOW… reading your post again it sounds like the filly’s sire isn’t an approved Hanoverian. So he only has a COP? In that case, I don’t think your filly can get anything but a COP since it doesn’t sound like he’s an approved stallion. ???[/QUOTE]

Oh no, he’s registered Hanoverian. He passed the German state stud stallion test with flying colors. I do not think he is currently approved with any other registry. I do not think he’s even been presented to any other registries at this point. So, can I get her approved and filly registered GOV without the stallion being approved?

I get what everyone is saying about November now.

[DownYonder]

If the stallion is approved with the Hanoverian Verband and/or AHS, and he passed a 70day or longer stallion performance test, OHBS/GOV would most likely grant him a breeding allowance and accept his foal for registration. There is an additional charge for this ($100), but your filly would then have full registration papers that would make her eligible for the MMB of most WB registries at age 3.

The VA inspections for OHBS/GOV have already taken place, so you may want to look into going to one of the MD sites. There is one at High Point Hanoverians in Chestertown next weekend that should be quite an event as it is the celebration of life for Angela Barilar, and will also include a stallion licensing. You can see the inspection schedule here: http://www.oldenburghorse.com/2011-Inspection-Schedule.pdf . You will need to act fast if you want to go to this inspection - see info at http://www.oldenburghorse.com/Oldenburg-Inspections.html . PM me if you have questions and I can walk you through the process.

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=back in the saddle;5735408]
NOW… reading your post again it sounds like the filly’s sire isn’t an approved Hanoverian. So he only has a COP? In that case, I don’t think your filly can get anything but a COP since it doesn’t sound like he’s an approved stallion. ???[/QUOTE]

I think when she said earlier that the SO had sent the Certificate of Pedigree to AHS, she meant Breeding Certificate.

[back_in_the_saddle]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;5735655]
I think when she said earlier that the SO had sent the Certificate of Pedigree to AHS, she meant Breeding Certificate.[/QUOTE]

That’s why I mentioned it. Just to clarify things. Those little details do make a difference.

My Hann mare isn’t approved GOV but very well could be. In her case, GOV doesn’t approve mares - any mares - without seeing them in person. There is at least one stallion I want to breed her to that isn’t approved Hann (Michillino). So to get her registered GOV, I have to take her. IF I bred her without her being approved, the best a filly or colt could get from that registry is the lowest stud book - I think. ??? Even though she was a top Hann mare in Germany before importation. But at least they could get some paperwork later IF that happened based on her pedigree. So the goal is to get them in the highest book they’re eligible for somewhere.

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=back in the saddle;5735661]
My Hann mare isn’t approved GOV but very well could be. In her case, GOV doesn’t approve mares - any mares - without seeing them in person. There is at least one stallion I want to breed her to that isn’t approved Hann (Michillino). So to get her registered GOV, I have to take her. IF I bred her without her being approved, the best a filly or colt could get from that registry is the lowest stud book - I think. ??? [/QUOTE]

If OHBS/GOV doesn’t inspect your mare, the foal would only get a COP - and as said earlier, this is okay for a colt that will most likely be gelded, but not desirable for a filly.

Since the OP has a filly, she really needs to try for full registration papers, even if she has to go to another registry.

[back_in_the_saddle]

I saw some mare that were part QH get put in the lowest book in GOV.

Hypothetical:
But in the case of my mare, even though she has better test scores than roughly 95+%? of all Han mares, received her 1a prize and got a placement at Ratje-Niebuhr Mare Show in Germany, they couldn’t accept her offspring into a breeding stud book becasue they didn’t see the dam in person. So her offspring would fall under the half QH mare that was approved into the lowest stud book and would only receive a COP? Is that right?

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=back in the saddle;5735740]
I saw some mare that were part QH get put in the lowest book in GOV.

Hypothetical:
But in the case of my mare, even though she has better test scores than roughly 95+%? of all Han mares, received her 1a prize and got a placement at Ratje-Niebuhr Mare Show in Germany, they couldn’t accept her offspring into a breeding stud book becasue they didn’t see the dam in person. So her offspring would fall under the half QH mare that was approved into the lowest stud book and would only receive a COP? Is that right?[/QUOTE]

Yep. If OHBS/GOV doesn’t inspect the mare, the foal only gets a COP. In the case of the QH mare, she was inspected but didn’t qualify for a higher mare book because of pedigree. Your mare’s credentials are certainly impressive, but they were awarded by the Hanoverian registry. She hasn’t been inspected and approved for Oldenburg breeding, so her foals would only get a COP.

You may want to see if OHBS/GOV will do a private inspection at your farm - you will have to pay all costs, including airfare, hotel, meals, rental car, etc.

Another option is DWB, since Michellino is approved for DWB. They may also require mare inspection, though - I’m not sure.

OP - sorry this went off topic about your mare. Hope you can find a satisfactory solution.

[Ajierene]

No problem with the sidebar! It is all a learning experience for me. I find the Warmblood registries and procedures interesting. I grew up with Thoroughbreds, Quarter horses, Arabians, Morgans…you know breeds that register on blood alone…still fuzzy on some of the nomenclature and processes.

So, the stallion should get a breeding allowance with the OHBS/GOV, so I could go there.

OK, going to talk to my trainer about my possibilities - this weekend may come to quick for me to get my act together for an inspection, but I will look at my options.

I will probably be back with more questions!

[cyriz_s_mom]

Back in the saddle - The mare doesn’t have to be inspected prior to breeding, but would have to be presented with the foal in order for the foal to get full papers…from most of the registries. The risk you run with not having her approved first, is if something happens to her during/after foaling and she can’t be presented, then the foal is stuck with a COP.