Holsteiner mare wins 500k at WEF

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=hackinaround;6234103]
Tisk Tisk Bay insults are not a good look on you.

Now normally I defer to your fathomless knowledge about Holsteins and their ilk. However if you’re not able to converse without behaving like everyone who is not 100% in agreement with your path is deviant , its not really worth the hassle to acknowledge you.

This post long since left the realm the original brag. So exonerating that you only want to recognize 75% of the mares base . I am going to stick to giving Polydor some credit in her genetic amalgamation right along with the rest.

Nice mare and congrats to her owners/riders/breeders[/QUOTE]

I wasn’t insulting you at all.

The reaction HERE by most is not the normal reaction of most in the breeding world. Her own breeder even acknowledges she’s a Holsteiner. This entire thread is just not very intelligent anymore and it’s time to move on.

[stolensilver]

This is crazy. A mare who is ineligible for the Holstein studbook isn’t a Holstein.

Bayhawk you are usually the first to come up with justifications on why a stallion has not been deemed suitable for grading into the Holstein book. Polydor is one of those stallions. He is one of the great “unchosen”. His blood makes this mare inadmissible for grading as a Holsteiner so why in any month of Sundays do you keep repeating over and over that the mare is Holstein? She isn’t. She can’t get in their studbook. She isn’t a Holstein.

It really is that simple.

And BWC2s post bear repeating again. The branch of the stamm this mare comes from was looking a little undistinguished before the addition of Polydor. Now it’s producing international performers. You can’t overlook the damsire, even if you want to, because his influence has made all the difference here.

If any of this branch of this stamm are still available in Holstein they would be wise to look for a Holstein approved stallion with similar breeding to Polydor and see if this is a breeding nick.

[Equilibrium]

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;6234034]
You cant give credit to them all when you are reporting a result honey. My title was correct. Holsteiner mare wins 500k at WEF.

Even Alfonso Romo stated the same when he was interviewed after the win. “Tough little Holsteiner mare with the heart of a Lion”.

Time to move on to something a little more intelligent now…[/QUOTE]

And thus that quote is what I love about good mares. I firmly believe these attributes come from the dam line. Over and over.

Not that that has to do with anything just that I love seeing super mares competing from super dam lines because I think it’s more information than I can ever get from an MPT.

Terri

[ponygirl]

@stolensilver;6234434

This is crazy. A mare who is ineligible for the Holstein studbook isn’t a Holstein.

Bayhawk you are usually the first to come up with justifications on why a stallion has not been deemed suitable for grading into the Holstein book. Polydor is one of those stallions. He is one of the great “unchosen”. His blood makes this mare inadmissible for grading as a Holsteiner so why in any month of Sundays do you keep repeating over and over that the mare is Holstein? She isn’t. She can’t get in their studbook. She isn’t a Holstein.

It really is that simple.

And BWC2s post bear repeating again. The branch of the stamm this mare comes from was looking a little undistinguished before the addition of Polydor. Now it’s producing international performers. You can’t overlook the damsire, even if you want to, because his influence has made all the difference here.

If any of this branch of this stamm are still available in Holstein they would be wise to look for a Holstein approved stallion with similar breeding to Polydor and see if this is a breeding nick.

This particular branch of this stamm went to stallions outside of Holstein and continues to breed to mostly outside blood. Jac Remijnse has mares from this branch I find it very interesting as to how he breeds them. The other branch which Reece mentions is the branch that remained true to Holstein breeding. Both branches are successful. Kudos to the breeders of both branches.

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=stolensilver;6234434]
This is crazy. A mare who is ineligible for the Holstein studbook isn’t a Holstein.

Bayhawk you are usually the first to come up with justifications on why a stallion has not been deemed suitable for grading into the Holstein book. Polydor is one of those stallions. He is one of the great “unchosen”. His blood makes this mare inadmissible for grading as a Holsteiner so why in any month of Sundays do you keep repeating over and over that the mare is Holstein? She isn’t. She can’t get in their studbook. She isn’t a Holstein.

It really is that simple.

And BWC2s post bear repeating again. The branch of the stamm this mare comes from was looking a little undistinguished before the addition of Polydor. Now it’s producing international performers. You can’t overlook the damsire, even if you want to, because his influence has made all the difference here.

If any of this branch of this stamm are still available in Holstein they would be wise to look for a Holstein approved stallion with similar breeding to Polydor and see if this is a breeding nick.[/QUOTE]

Who cares what paper she has ? Paper doesn’t remove the blood.

I never said she was a Holsteiner Verband mare. I never said she collected points for this studbook or that. I said she was a Holsteiner mare, which she surely is.

The knowledge level on this board has sunk to an all time low. Here we have a Holsteiner mare with 10 generations of Holsteiner breeding that has an outside stallion placed in ONE of those generations and now suddenly the mare is not a Holsteiner anymore ?

I will agree with you that all this is crazy. I’m really moving on now because this is really way,way unintelligent.

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=ponygirl;6234933]
This particular branch of this stamm went to stallions outside of Holstein and continues to breed to mostly outside blood. Jac Remijnse has mares from this branch I find it very interesting as to how he breeds them. The other branch which Reece mentions is the branch that remained true to Holstein breeding. Both branches are successful. Kudos to the breeders of both branches.[/QUOTE]

It is a great stamm Jen. All these horses are coming from just two sisters. It’s pretty amazing what they have both produced.

[ponygirl]

@Bayhawk;6234984

It is a great stamm Jen. All these horses are coming from just two sisters. It’s pretty amazing what they have both produced.

Yes it is.

[knowthatifly]

Yep, the Polydor (Pilot) appears to have a significant role in producing this mare’s talent. And if we recall 2011 WC Finals winner Taloubet Z is Galoubet out of a Polydor mare. Heck of a damsire Polydor is.

[anon6796898]

Just a note; I have a young mare from a Holsteiner dam, she really has been marked by this phenotype.

However, She is a Dutch mare by Jazz and is clearly influenced by him. Was Jazz ever approved into the Holsteiner Verband? I don’t think so (correct me if I’m wrong).

Thus she is a Dutch Warmblood ( who I would love to cross with Coriander and a kick ass Connie).

I would love to see all her (Cou Cou) kids in a row (pics).

[vineyridge]

Only 17 of this mare’s 32 ancestors in the fifth generation are Holsteiners. She’s got TB, SF, Hanoverian, and Westfalian as well as Holsteiner. She does come from a pure Holsteiner mare line that is documented back to 1908. But the tail female line has not been subjected to the Holsteiner Verband inspections since at least 1967.

[Donella]

This is crazy. A mare who is ineligible for the Holstein studbook isn’t a Holstein.

I would agree. She is heavily Holstein bred/influenced but it is not correct to call her Holstein if that very verband would not call her so. At least not in my mind…

[EquusMagnificus]

This thread is weird.

If you have a top horse coming from a TB female line, will you call it a TB? No, of course. People will be very prompt to credit all the success to the WB part of the equation.

I understand she is very heavily Holsteiner-bred, yet, as previously mentionned, if she can’t herself be registered as a Holsteiner, Holstein shall not get the credit. We consider Totilas a Dutch while his bloodlines are pretty much all German. But his papers are Dutch and he was born Dutch. Period.