Holsteiner stallion Clarimo

[cwfhj]

I’m considering Clarimo for my Holsteiner mare (by Corrado with Lord on the damside). She doesn’t have any significant flaws, although she is a tad small in stature. She is a good jumper with a slightly hot and sensitive (but not bad) temperament.

What type and temperament does Clarimo throw, in general? I understand, of course, that it depends on the particular mare, but generally speaking, what does Clarimo bring to the table?

I don’t want a difficult horse, and I’m concerned that Clarimo might produce tough rides. Yes or no?

Thanks!

[Bayhawk]

If your mare is already hot and sensitive , Clarimo is not for you. He needs a mare with a good mind and really good feet and legs. He is a future star that will sit at the top of the sport and he makes his babies jump but you have to have the right mare.

[cwfhj]

Thank you! Two more questions, for the same mare:

What about Larimar for this mare—will he contribute scope? What temperaments does he throw?

Aside from the obvious strong points, what are some negatives that Casall may throw? Are his offspring all rather small? Temperament? (edited to add that I understand the restrictions of Casall for US breeding. I’m asking more on principal, I know his semen isn’t available here in the US. I wish I could find some!)

[Bayhawk]

I personally don’t care for Larimar. I’ve just never really seen one I liked besides his champion son Larcon and even then he was the type of his mother line. Other than the basic blood information , I wouldn’t want to suggest a stallion without knowing your mare.

Casall is one of the best sires in the world and no , he doesn’t throw small. He throws some big and can make some small ones depending on the mare but he usually makes a nice sized horse.

[cwfhj]

Yes, of course, I wasn’t asking for a stallion suggestion…I am able to select a good match for her. I was just looking for some “inside information” about a few stallions I liked.

Not for this mare, but in general, what are your thoughts on Diamant de Semilly and Nabab de Reve? And, of Connor?

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=cwfhj;7515370]
Yes, of course, I wasn’t asking for a stallion suggestion…I am able to select a good match for her. I was just looking for some “inside information” about a few stallions I liked.

Not for this mare, but in general, what are your thoughts on Diamant de Semilly and Nabab de Reve? And, of Connor?[/QUOTE]

Again…pretty much a generic response here , sorry. Diamant and Nabab are two of the best sires in the world and Connor is a very interesting young stallion. The Connor’s are good in the mind , rideable and I have seen some very good mares by him. He also sired the reserve champion stallion last year.

If you want real inside info on Diamant and Nabab I would reach out to Andy Smaga on this board as he is from France and has a ton of knowledge.

[Bachus]

How is your mare further bred? Do I understand it right if you say with tad small that she isn’t so big because with Corrado and Lord I would assume more a normal to a bigger sized mare. Casall unfortunately does throw small, they say he has the same problem as his sire that he will throw bigger and smaller mares.

Connor is a very interesting stallion, but he is bred out of the full sister to Corrado so it might be a little tricky with your Corrado mare. Edit; I see Connor was not for your Corrado mare. Connor is a very strong horse and can be hot under the rider, he has endless scope. He produces horses with character, the offspring are too young to really judge under saddle. Some stallions have done their performance test and last week a son of Connor (Connect) did his 30 day test. This Connect is approved Holsteiner and is allowed to do the test for the KWPN.

Diamant de Semily and Nabab de Rêve are both top performance stallions and they are producing some really good sporthorses.

[cwfhj]

This is a very interesting discussion. Yes, i did hear that Casall threw small, especially his mares, Bachus. Bachus, do you also agree that Clarimo throws hot and/or difficult offspring, and that legs/feet are a concern when using Clarimo?

Just for a good discussion, in your opinions, what are the best mares in Holsteiner breed, and of failry recent generations. Who are the modern “blue hens”, and why? I’m thinking Ligusta in one example of a blue hen.

Thanks!

[Bayhawk]

This blanket statement from Bachus about Casall throwing small is absolutely untrue.

Casall “can” throw small. Just like his father Caretino could throw small. Have a look at Connor , Powerplay , his champion son last year , his champion daughters every year etc. etc…these horses are anything but small.

I find it interesting that someone who has never owned a mare , bred a mare , nor ever rode in any competitions has such strong opinions on breeding.

[cwfhj]

Any comments on the blue hen question?

[Bayhawk]

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Any comments on the blue hen question?[/QUOTE]

Ligusta could be a blue hen (too early to tell) but her grandmother Ligustra is for certain the blue hen in that line.

[cwfhj]

My mistake, a typo, I meant Ligustra. Thanks.
Who are the other more contemporary blue hens in the Holsteiner breed?

[Bachus]

Even the breeder from Casall’s mother said tonight that Casall is throwing just as much small as normal sized horses, so why blank???

I would say Maltia; http://www.horsetelex.nl/horses/progeny/25182 what her daughters have produced is unbelieveble!!
Same with Gofine; http://www.horsetelex.nl/horses/progeny/468 check out her daughter Ulina with offspring.
Lady Legende is building up an impressive line; http://www.horsetelex.nl/horses/progeny/5125

Clarimo is tricky, yes the legs from his offspring are not always correct. And I would not use him for a hot mare because of Clearway. Clearway offspring are known for hot aswell. I have worked with a Clarimo mare and she was really nice, but in handling (or longing) she could freak out in a split second. I also know breeders who love him and cover many mares with him… Cassini II was hot aswell, we (the grooms and I) discussed about it and think that the difference between Cassini I and II was that Cassini I has seen the whole world and that experience made him a really easy horse, Cassini II got early injured and missed this experience. I know Cumano personally and he is not easy, he loved it to be at shows but at home he was (still is) clearly the boss.

[cwfhj]

I’m asking now for a general repsonse, not for my own mare, but for a hypothetical “average mare”:

what Holsteiner stallions will produce height, quiet temperament (i.e. not hot or difficult) and excellent scope, without producing careless over the jumps? I think Nabab does this, but what Holsteiner stallions produce these traits?

Very educational thread, thank you both.

[Bachus]

A name that comes up in my mind is Nekton. I know several mares from different motherlines (small motherlines) with a fantastic character (sharp enough but not difficult or to hot), mothers where/are really hot under the rider, scope from the mares by Nekton I have seen is excellent and also with a super canter. Nekton himself is a super nice stallion and really easy in handling. One of these Nekton mares is sold to Carsten Otto Nagel.

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=Bachus;7517579]
Even the breeder from Casall’s mother said tonight that Casall is throwing just as much small as normal sized horses, so why blank???

I would say Maltia; http://www.horsetelex.nl/horses/progeny/25182 what her daughters have produced is unbelieveble!!
Same with Gofine; http://www.horsetelex.nl/horses/progeny/468 check out her daughter Ulina with offspring.
Lady Legende is building up an impressive line; http://www.horsetelex.nl/horses/progeny/5125

Clarimo is tricky, yes the legs from his offspring are not always correct. And I would not use him for a hot mare because of Clearway. Clearway offspring are known for hot aswell. I have worked with a Clarimo mare and she was really nice, but in handling (or longing) she could freak out in a split second. I also know breeders who love him and cover many mares with him… Cassini II was hot aswell, we (the grooms and I) discussed about it and think that the difference between Cassini I and II was that Cassini I has seen the whole world and that experience made him a really easy horse, Cassini II got early injured and missed this experience. I know Cumano personally and he is not easy, he loved it to be at shows but at home he was (still is) clearly the boss.[/QUOTE]

Because you said “Casall throws small”…period. This is wrong.

[cwfhj]

What about Contendro? And while Cumano isn’t easy at home, are his offspring difficult?

[cwfhj]

And what about Cancara, who is now in the US?

[Krallen]

I’m assuming your mare is in Germany? I bred a mare to Clarimo last year over there - I didn’t think the semen was available here?

[cwfhj]

Yes, she is in Germany.