Honey the ASB update and progress thread!

Hi! Thank you so much for all of this!

I’m curious— is there something specific you think I need to show her that she isn’t doing? Genuinely asking :blush:

She was not trained as a show horse, I do know that much. She just literally was never used/worked/paid a whole lot of attention to.

She’s filling out really well. We still gotta work on that topline but you can’t really see her ribs anymore, so I think we are in a good place! She LOVES her soup now and she finishes her grain now that I’ve put her on hygain.

Also she drank an entire bucket of Gatorade water in like 1 minute tonight. I refilled it of course, but Honey is true to her name— she likes anything sweet. :heart:

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You’re lucky with Honey that you don’t have to uninstall show horse :slight_smile: You’ve got a green saddlebred so she’s kind of a blank slate. I think I said this already (and I know you’re doing it) but praise works so well with these guys! They are so smart and so very people oriented.

I was hosing down the 8 year old yesterday and he was dancing around like a fool. Admittedly, the water was cold and what I’ve found with saddlebreds that have been in the show world…cold water is just a no go…but I was trying to keep him cool because our heat indexes are up to 116. When he stood still, I gave him huge amounts of praise, and he just puffed up so proud of himself.

When I got my 10 year old, 5 years ago, I almost sold him after a few months. Trainers were frustrated with him and telling me he was hard to handle and ride. They made me afraid of him, telling me he was always going to be too much horse for my broken body. We then went through 5 trainers to try to find someone to work with him properly and none succeeded. In the end, what he needed was me. He’s a one-person horse, and I’m that person. He dumps other people and rears for trainers. I can throw a rope off of him, jump, drive - anything I ask for he does. I’m not a woo woo person in the least, but I do believe that for this horse, he’s got to trust his people. He’s a bold and dominant horse, rides like a stallion.

When I got my 8 year old a year and a half ago, I struggled to like him. I mean, I liked him the way I like all horses, but he was not an easy horse to love. He had horrifying ground manners, would run you over as soon as look at you, and was unridable (balking was his particular go-to-trick). Now his ground manners are almost 100% (we still have the occasional backslide, but those are less and less), he stands in the cross ties, he is better for the farrier, and he’s been ridden a handful of times and we’ve eliminated the balking completely. Hopefully this year we can make his work more consistent and I think he’s going to be marvelous. Again, it’s about trust and praise. The 8 year old is less of a “one person horse” but he needs heaps of praise as he’s naturally a bit less secure than the 10 year old. He needs stricter boundaries, but still, you have to LIKE him before he’ll work for you. I don’t know why, but that seems to matter to these guys, I think it’s their sensitivity.

If you take the intelligence of the saddlebred into account, and almost teach them as though you were teaching a human child with lots of love and praise, they really will do anything for you.

Someone upthread suggested that they were too scared to ride a saddlebred. I will tell you that they are really the most trustworthy horses on earth. I’ll take my saddlebreds in a “scary moment” over my QH and Paint any day. My saddlebreds seem to think of their rider/owner and try to keep you up top if they can. My QH & Paint are like, screw you, I’m out!

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I could be reading too far into it but I don’t think Honey’s ever had “one person”. I mean she has, but she hasn’t been a priority to them or gotten that special feeling. I do think she’s starting to appreciate it and trust me. I think we’re gonna have a fun time together :blush:

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That’s exactly what I’m suggesting. Once she really trusts you, I think you’ll find you have a VERY special horse :slight_smile:

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Today I had every intention of doing some ground work and walking over poles.

But the young daughter of another boarder was there today, so she created a “challenge course” and even took over some of it.

Was it the goal? No. But it was cute, still kept honey thinking and active, still worked poles, and she had to be good with the kid.


Fwiw yes, she was told many times to make bigger circles

While our course designer was doing other things, I did get to work on some groundwork with her and she couldn’t care less about my flag. I also got her to line up at the block for some scratches— even at the end of our work with no halter or anything. And she joined Lola (the kid) at the block too for a moment. Good Honey!

Tomorrow marks 2 months of Honey. So here’s some pics from this afternoon. Sorry she’s a bit dirty.

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As a mom (and hopefully grandmom someday), this is exactly the careful expression I like to see on a horse being worked by a child. Honey just keeps exceeding expectations!

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That was sweet, Honey was being so careful.

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Thank you! She really was so sweet, and seemed to enjoy the little game.

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Looks like a GREAT day Honey is a gem

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Take a careful look at the video and these pictures. Specifically look at the way she is relaxing and stretching using her back, shoulder and hock over the poles. Then compare to the candid head up, low shoulder frozen stance. The former is the goal of the exercise.

Even looking at her “Pose” shots, the very best ones have her head up but a very soft, bright eye and no tension through the shoulder and back. The most recent, shots from yesterday, her eye is not as soft and there is tension through the shoulder and back. Hope that makes sense, hard to explain.

Looking at these I GET what ASBJ was getting at talking about developing the topline. I see it, learned something. Light bulb moment.

One suggestion on the pole cavaletti placement- start with all 3 of them level and a longer straight line walk before and after (which you already know). After several passes each direction, you can raise the center pole as it is here but, IMO, the other two poles need to move a little farther out- maybe about a foot on each side. Its a little tight for her right now. We want to work on relaxation and forward right now, not trap her into backing off or getting her a hind rub to sharpen her up for an over fences round or judged Trail Class.

Forward and confidence building to enable relaxation and stretching right now.

On that subject, there is an older book on setting ground pole exercises, lots of creative pattens with suggested measurements. While written for jumpers, all these are very useful and easily modified for ANY discipline at just about any stage of training, mounted or in hand. Its called 101 Exercises Over Poles by Linda Allen. The lady knows how to set a grid or course having been the course designer for the Atlanta Olympics and World Cup.

Book is still out there and a wealth of help building skills with just poles on the ground. Not boring either, for horse or rider. Try it. Dot worry, we wont expect you master the Wheel of Death, even just walking it over poles. Yet, anyway :wink:

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I’ll check out the book. In the photos she’s real excited and watching the sheep, for context. I agree about distance between poles and they were spaced out after the video :blush:

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Somehow, someway, the mare herd dynamic has changed and Honey has become the boss mare :joy::sweat_smile:

Zero to hero, folks.

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Focused on sheep is fine and explains the tension, shes in alert mode. The point is learning to read and interpret the body language. They tell us everything if we listen.

ASBs often are not encouraged to relax and stretch out long through the back. Hence those muscles need to build up to allow it. i never understood developing the top line as clearly before. Hate trying to explain stuff like this with just text…hope you get what I’m trying say here.

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Groceries + one-on-one time + regular work = queen status!

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Absolutely! I just wanted to make it known she’s always on high alert around the sheep.

I’ll check out that book you recommended and keep working on that stretching.

I’m very off today. So all we did was the 5 min trot on the lunge in each direction. And she did stretch down! :sparkles:

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Lol it shocks me!

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Honeymoon is almost over, now you get to see what you really bought :smiley:

Never apologize for “not doing much”. You got out there and checked in with her, took her out and did something, equally both ways then put her up. Thats 1000% more then anybody else ever did for her on a regular basis. Don’t have to reinvent the wheel every time, do a little more often instead of doing more less often. Consistency and routine are what horses thrive on.

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This! Sometimes we lose sight of how much we teach them even when we aren’t “working”.

Yes, you come in and stand quietly, put your head down for the halter, I’m going to handle all your feet and groom you, you’re going to lead quietly, and not every day is a tough workout or mental exercise. It’s good for them!

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Groundwork lesson tonight. I wish I caught pics of her DAPPLES! :heart_eyes:

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Tonight we walked over poles and just snuggled and did some ground work. I wanted to share some pics because I LOVE how she’s coming along. She eats all her food, even calls for her soup :joy:, tries her hardest, STANDS AT THE MOUNTING BLOCK (so much so she practically knocks me over lol) and is just a total love. To say I’m obsessed is an understatement.

Also. Dapples.

A view from atop the mounting block

Finally meeting one of the sheep she’s always so interested in.

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