This doesn’t match anything I have ever heard or witnessed about EIPH. Gross bleeding from the nose and mouth isn’t consistent with that at all even in severe cases. The only case I have seen a large quantity of visible blood is in an ethmoid hematoma which sounds a lot more like what is being described here than EIPH.
Very helpful. Yes, I had to have a necropsy done. There may be a source of recourse in states. Thanks for ur obvious experience:((
He was 7.5yrs young, DUTCH from Poland. Thanks for ur thoughts:(
No masses/hematomas were found…
Was he in work before you imported him? Makes no sense that he would bleed out in turnout if so but can’t imagine why you would import a 7 year old who had never done anything either.
He was in full work when imported.
All I can suggest is contact the horse’s breeder if it is not the same who sold him to you. Good breeders should be concerned about their product and maybe can at least do something locally. If the horse just didn’t become freakishly sick out of anybody’s control 
Hugs to u!
So so sorry for your loss, both of the horse and your dreams for your partnership.
OP, Are there any tissue samples left from the necropsy?
Since the symptoms you describe do not fit the customary symptoms of the disease that was diagnosed you might want a second opinion. Preferably from an expert in bleeding diseases in equines.
Is this the horse you were having difficulty getting the papers form the seller?
No. Not same horse.
There were 4 vets attending my poor boy:((
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No. Not same horse.
There were 4 vets attending my poor boy:(([/QUOTE]
Attending him in crisis is not the same as a controlled, scientifically done, necropsy. Tissue slides examined by microscope are wonderful evidence, to have on your side, in a court battle if it comes to that.
I would urge you to consider a second opinion as it can only strengthen you legal case if an impartial vet comes to the same conclusions.
If the insurance co. red flags the discrepancy between the chain of events and the diagnosis, they may demand a review in any case.
Good advise. Will do!
Most (I say most but tempted to say all) US equine mortality policies require you to get authorization to euthanize a horse- did you do this?
Also the cause of death, original sale papers…its quite a process to get reimbursed for mortality.
I’m sorry for your loss
We had the guttural pouch mycosis as well and this sounds more like that than EIPH like other posters have said. Ours did survive the episode, but it was a very long haul. He started coughing, then coughing up blood. It was also coming out of the nostrils and mouth. My barn looked like I had a chain saw massacre in it. I am sorry for your loss, but I would get another opinion.
Everything was done according to policy and then some. Thank u.
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I am at a loss. My gorgeous imported horse started bleeding from nose and mouth after short run in paddock 10days after being imported. AGent/seller claimed it NEVER happened in Europe. Happened Several times in short span of time. After getting Diagnosis by leading specialists in field they said was a chronic untreatable, progressive condition rendering the horse unsafe. Seller/agent says NEVER happened to them. I would love to have recourse. The poor horse did not make it:((. Diagnosis Chronic, severe exercise induced pulmonary hemmorhage…heartbreaking…[/QUOTE]
My condolences on your very distressing loss.
I am so sorry this happened to you.
I don’t know if you worked through an agent but I wonder if sending the vet report and requesting some sort of compensation would be possible, rather than pursuing complex and expensive (sound like it anyway) legal action. I knew someone who happened to be a lawyer who bought a horse that was later determined to have an eye issue, could not do the work she bought him for. She simply kept calling the seller/breeder, remained civil/polite but persistent. It didn’t happen right away but they eventually traded – the breeder took the horse back and gave her another horse, not as fancy but really quite a nice jumper that she rode for many years. I thought that was a nice outcome.
Any update OP?
I feel its completely possible that if the horse was in full work and fit (and in Europe, they generally work the horse during the PPE too), that it wasn’t having severe bleeding episodes from mild exercise in the past. Sometimes, just terrible luck happens :(. Even with chronic scarring, that can be the lead up to the big event and doesn’t prove he was bleeding enough for the previous owner to have any idea something like this could happen. Glad you have insurance. I’m sorry you’re in such a crummy situation!>
Pursuing legal action in Europe is a huge ordeal- I truly hope the insurance pays out and the OP doesn’t have to go that route. I had a friend this year import a horse from France. He arrived out of quarantine and limped the first time a rider got on him and picked up the trot. Vet came out same day and saw inflammation on the suspensory. Everyone involved gave seller “benefit of the doubt.” After 30 days of hand walking the horse was still lame. Sent him for a bone scan and MRI (thank god he was fully insured), and discovered severe and chronic scarring on the suspensory with bone involvement. Two experts can with certainty (based on scar tissue formation and bone remodeling) date injury to before purchase. Horse passed full PPE in Europe with video of entire clinical. She is currently in the middle of legal action, and I feel horrible for her.
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I am so sorry this happened to you.
I don’t know if you worked through an agent but I wonder if sending the vet report and requesting some sort of compensation would be possible, rather than pursuing complex and expensive (sound like it anyway) legal action. I knew someone who happened to be a lawyer who bought a horse that was later determined to have an eye issue, could not do the work she bought him for. She simply kept calling the seller/breeder, remained civil/polite but persistent. It didn’t happen right away but they eventually traded – the breeder took the horse back and gave her another horse, not as fancy but really quite a nice jumper that she rode for many years. I thought that was a nice outcome.[/QUOTE]
I think this is the best course of action. Go in guns blazing and lawyered up and you’re likely to get severe resistance. Sometimes a seller sells a horse with a defect and they have no idea - if it was me I’d be thrilled with a replacement animal.
