The problem is that agent never revealed seller name. They deny horse ever having issue. They denied any and all responsibility:((
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The problem is that agent never revealed seller name. They deny horse ever having issue. They denied any and all responsibility:(([/QUOTE]
The previous owners name will be in the horseās passport.
Can horses suffer from High Altitude Pulmonary Edema (HAPE) when flying, if there is a problem with cabin pressure ?
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The problem is that agent never revealed seller name. They deny horse ever having issue. They denied any and all responsibility:(([/QUOTE]
well, right. its isnāt their responsibility after you bought the horse. I honestly donāt think you can expect them to know every horrible off the wall thing that might happen to a horse?
Is this your first horse owning experience? Horses drop dead after a sale a lot. sadly. They colic. they get EPM, they die. Its a risk we all take.
I can see if they outright lied or hid something, but it does not appear that they did? I donāt think you had any health contract, right? Most horses are sold with no health warranty.
Iāve had terrible things happen to a horse and the horse died too- VERY tragicallyā¦
But there is no way on earth any vet can see in a crystal ball that the horse was sick. I am sure they would not like to ship a horse that was sick and have an upset seller that might try to damage their reputationā¦
I am very sorry for your loss it is very upsetting. But blaming them is not going to help and just prolongs the process of moving on. I get it, I do. But please donāt stay mad.
This is a tragic story. Though there is always the chance there was some pre existing condition, I canāt see any realistic recourse against an overseas seller.
I hope there was insurance that will pay out.
OP, I am very sorry for your loss.
Yes, it was diagnosed as a āchronicā condition. As the specialists saidā¦
āSomebody knew somethingāā¦very, very tragic for horseā¦heartbreaking for meā¦
There is a factor of integrity, responsibility, honorable. And yes, to protect your future business. There should b SOME kind of retributionā¦this was not an oversight on my partā¦someone knew something and sold horse to USA!
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There is a factor of integrity, responsibility, honorable. And yes, to protect your future business. There should b SOME kind of retributionā¦this was not an oversight on my partā¦someone knew something and sold horse to USA![/QUOTE]
Someone also sent that horse to the USA with a passport.
If you ever did import a horse that haemmorrhaged and was euthanised, that is.
No equine can travel anywhere in Europe, or be exported from Europe, without its passport. A shipping agent simply wouldnāt load the animal on a lorry without it. An airport simply wouldnāt accept the horse on its premises without it. An airline simply wouldnāt allow the horse on the aircraft without it.
And that passport would have the ownerās name in it.
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I am at a loss. My gorgeous imported horse started bleeding from nose and mouth after short run in paddock 10days after being imported. AGent/seller claimed it NEVER happened in Europe. Happened Several times in short span of time. After getting Diagnosis by leading specialists in field they said was a chronic untreatable, progressive condition rendering the horse unsafe. Seller/agent says NEVER happened to them. I would love to have recourse. The poor horse did not make it:((. Diagnosis Chronic, severe exercise induced pulmonary hemmorhageā¦heartbreakingā¦[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Seifert;8937412]No. Not same horse.
There were 4 vets attending my poor boy:(([/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Seifert;8949029]Yes, it was diagnosed as a āchronicā condition. As the specialists saidā¦
āSomebody knew somethingāā¦very, very tragic for horseā¦heartbreaking for meā¦[/QUOTE]
Passport.
[QUOTE=Seifert;8949035]
There is a factor of integrity, responsibility, honorable. And yes, to protect your future business. There should b SOME kind of retributionā¦this was not an oversight on my partā¦someone knew something and sold horse to USA![/QUOTE]
Is this your first horse sale experience?
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There is a factor of integrity, responsibility, honorable. And yes, to protect your future business. There should b SOME kind of retributionā¦this was not an oversight on my partā¦someone knew something and sold horse to USA![/QUOTE]
How about you just tell us who this is then? It does us no good otherwise to prevent anyone from doing business with them, if in fact this happened as you claim it did.
PSA; in the horse world, you seldom get what you think you should unless you have enough money to hire good lawyers. You seem like this is your first horse sale.
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PSA; in the horse world, you seldom get what you think you should unless you have enough money to hire good lawyers. You seem like this is your first horse sale.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I am not sure this is 100% true - although I think buying overseas is a higher risk, as is buying from a US ādealerā. But when you buy from a small breeder - I think you are most likely going to get what you think you are going to get. Buying in the US gives you a higher level of legal protection AND most small breeders want to protect their reputation AND are invested in their horses enough to want the right home for them. IMHO as one who bred for many yearsā¦ And I know plenty of single horse owners (and their trainers) who represent their horses totally honestly when they sell them.
It didnāt. Only breeders name
No. Iāve been around the block. Just never imported. I worked closely with knowledgeable people from all areas including vets on this import. Someone knew something in Europe as it was determined to be a CHRONIC condition not acute.
Did you go to Europe and see the horse, and do you know how long it was with the agent?
Iām sorry you lost your horse.
OP, Clearly this canāt be but so chronic of a problem since the horse hasnāt died before it came over.
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OP, Clearly this canāt be but so chronic of a problem since the horse hasnāt died before it came over.[/QUOTE]
It could still be a chronic condition but just hadnāt killed him. Chances are that he had bled before though, and someone at some point may have known that it was serious. OTOH, they could have sent him to the kind of auction where buyers take their chances, and someone bought him there and then resold him without knowing anything about his issues?
While I agree that it could be chronic and not killed the horse, I do not agree that the sellers definitely knew. It is very rare for a horse to bleed visibly even when the EIPH is severe. I have seen more horses than I can count who were rated a 10 out of 10 on the routine post race scope who had no outward signs.
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While I agree that it could be chronic and not killed the horse, I do not agree that the sellers definitely knew. It is very rare for a horse to bleed visibly even when the EIPH is severe. I have seen more horses than I can count who were rated a 10 out of 10 on the routine post race scope who had no outward signs.[/QUOTE]
Thank you! it is always very easy to blame somebody who is far away.
In this case obviously the OP took a lot of risk, bought a horse in a country very far away, without seeing the horse and knowing the seller, by using an agent.
Then the horse was put through a lot of stress, by flying it to another country where everything including the climate was different. A horse is not like a dishwasher, its a living animal and when conditions change, there might things show up which havenāt before.
I assumeā¦ (I know its bad) that the horse was bought in Poland because it was cheaper to buy the horse in Poland then to buy an already imported horse with less risk. I learned in my classes in University that the more money you want to make, the more risk is usually involved. In this case it was like the more money you save the more risk is involvedā¦ Usually it goes alright, in this case it went badā¦
This thread is a perfect example of why you want to vet the seller and not the horse.
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