Horse shopping situation - am I wrong to be irritated?

Posted with my alt because my main is identifiable and I don’t want any drama to follow me into the real world.

Okay so I’m irritated by this situation and I’m wondering if my irritation is justified or not. Here’s what happened:

I tried a horse a couple months ago. The horse was with the seller’s trainer to get him in shape and sold. Technically, he wasn’t being advertised as available yet, but my trainer knows the sales trainer so I was able to get an advance showing.

This horse is GREAT, I adore him. Beautiful gaits and a really cool personality. He has a bit of experience in the jumpers but had been pasture pet for the past few years due to the seller’s circumstances (unsure what those are). Despite that, he went around like a pro. Such a cool guy. I wanted him very badly and had a couple long conversations with the seller about who I am, my plans for him, how I’d care for him, etc etc. She was very concerned about finding him the right owner and she expressed multiple times that I seemed like the perfect home for him.

I vetted him, which involved whole ton of radiographs (I like to know what I’m getting into). Unfortunately the rads showed arthritic changes in his hocks and really extensive kissing spines. Like really bad, pretty much every vertebrae was impacted and had bone remodeling. My vet said “oh my god” when he saw them. The seller and seller’s trainer had no idea about these issues. I openly shared the rads with them, emailed them all copies without asking for anything in return, because I wanted to work with them to figure something out.

With any other horse, those rad findings would’ve been a dealbreaker for me. But this guy is so cool, exactly what I was looking for, and, at that time, was going around sound. However, because he hadnt been in consistent work for a while, I couldn’t trust that he would remain sound. The seller’s trainer floated the idea that the seller might be interested in a lease to own or a long-term trial situation, which would allow me to see if he would stay sound or not. I was also willing to just take him and send him to surgery the second he showed pain in his back. However, I wasn’t going to pay full asking price for this horse in either situation.

My trainer and I talked about it and decided to make the following offer: we take him as care lease for two months and, if things were going well at the end, then pay a purchase price of about a third less than what the seller was asking for him.

The seller turned me down because she didn’t believe the rad findings were indicative of any soundness risks or long term issues and so his price wouldn’t be reduced because of them. Her tone was rude and she didn’t acknowledge or than me for sharing the rads. I was very surprised and a little taken aback given how well we had been vibing up to that point, but that’s the seller’s prerogative so I said thanks for your time and moved on to other horses.

Well now, the seller’s trainer is finally formally advertising this horse. I’m miffed because (1) they say they have “full xrays on file,” which are the ones I paid for and shared with them, and are offering copies of them to “seriously interested buyers” (2) they’re using images and video of me and my husband from my trial ride to advertise him and (3) they’re saying that they’re open to “creative solutions” for the “perfect home” given his “track jewelry.”

I’m just so irritated about the whole thing. I shared my rads and tried to work with them, just to be abruptly turned down when I offered a solution that the seller’s trainer had brought up first. Now they’re advertising my “xrays on file” along with video and pictures of me on this horse! I was the “perfect home” offering a “creative solution” months ago, but it wasn’t good enough back then for some reason!

However, I recognize that I may be unjustly irritated. After all, I shared the rads without conditions and that I never told them not to use pictures or videos of me (though they never asked). I also understand that circumstances change over the months and now maybe the seller has learned more about her horse’s situation and is willing to play ball with other people. I don’t plan to say anything to the seller or the seller’s trainer about this because I don’t think it’s worth the drama in a small community, but if an interested party identifies me in the video and reaches out to see what I know, I will tell them what I think about the horse and share the radiographs.

Also, at the very end of the day, this whole situation is moot because I eventually found and bought (for a few thousand less, in fact) a different horse that is taller, younger, has more training, and has no kissing spines :slight_smile:

I’d message and ask if they could black your face out on the ads at the very minimum, but other than that I think you are unfortunately up a creek.

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Horse shopping is irritating and there’s a reason horse dealing used to have the same bad reputation as used car dealers today.

You dodged a bullet not taking on Crippled Pasture Pet who we can now guess got a couple of years of Dr Green because his body was falling apart.

You can ask nicely to have your faces blacked out if you actually want to be in contact with this crew again. I hope they realize that by showing your face, they guarantee any buyer who knows you will message you saying “what’s the deal, do you know this horse?” and get an earful. So we know they are idiots. Who posts an identifiable photo of a former potential buyer who walked away from the sale due to horse and interpersonal issues?

Honestly I’d leave it up. Or if you want to stir the pot, you can share it to your your own SM and say “hey, blast from the past! Me riding Pookie a few months back when I was horse shopping! Sweet boy! But I’m so so happy with Mr Wonderful right now!”

Any questions you can say DM me.

Or post on the trainers sale video. Wow, there’s me doing a trial ride on Pookie back in December! That was a fun ride, thanks for the memory!

Then your name is out there for anyone to DM you.

Or they delete the video and block you.

But usually it’s better to just chuckle over the idea of doing these passive aggressive moves, and then let it go and move on with Mr Wonderful.

You can’t control people doing irritating stuff. But you can control being irritated by it and stewing.

Whatever the process, you got a great outcome with a horse that’s good, sound and cheaper. So thank the horse gods for messing up that sale.

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Wow I’m bad at replying to comments, deleted this reply and re-posted to the right comment

This was so helpful. I needed that reminder about being able to control yourself, not others. Sometimes I get upset about something, then I spiral into some kind of analysis of whether I am correct to be upset or not, then I just end up stewing and making myself more upset. As you say, I dodged a bullet and got a great outcome, and those are the only things that matter.

Also, you’re totally right about leaving the vids of me up - I’m not going to interact with them because I’ve already spent too much energy on this situation but, as you say, it’s so fun to imagine what would happen if I did comment.

Thank you!! Water off a duck’s back :sunny:

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As I get older I find if I just accept what I feel, don’t get too judgey about whether I should feel a certain way, it’s much easier to sit with the feeling and then let it go. I figure I can’t change how I feel initially but I have control over how I act and whether I stay in a situation and how long I hold onto the feeling. I know exactly what you mean about going down a spiral of whether you should be angry or irritated or afraid or etc.

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I am pretty sure the veterinarian who took or ordered the radiographs owns them

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Agree with clanter, the radiographs belong to the vet. You paid for them and their interpretation. They are part of the vets legal record in partnership with you. I would discuss with the vet, I am sure they are familiar with this type situation

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On the bright side you must have been a good enough rider to be worthy of a sales video?

Enjoy your new horse and if anyone reaches out to you about the horse, spill your guts.

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If it were me, I would not be comfortable with my videos/pictures being used to advertise without my permission, period, and would ask that they be taken down and not used again. They should be capable of getting their own current video with the trainer riding.

I do not think you are wrong to be irritated, but what you do/don’t do about that is up to you.

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that’s an interesting point. I asked my vet to send the rads to both me and the seller, so he approved of the initial share. I did not send or share his interpretative report or his advice/analysis and they aren’t making any representations about what he interpreted or his opinions. I’ll check with him however.

As the wife of a commercial photographer and former executive for intellectual property rights company, ANY use of you in a picture or video clip used for advertising ANYTHING requires your written permission. If you signed a waiver when you rode the horse that your image could be used in future advertising of this horse, you’re out of luck. If you didn’t sign anything like that, you could sue them (or at least threaten to do so)!

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that’s very interesting. I thought of the images themselves as like photos you buy from the JC Penny portrait studio - once you’ve paid for them, they’re yours. I know that human medical records have special legal significance that impacts ownership of medical imaging, but I didn’t know that equine medical records are the same in that sense. But I definitely see how the vet’s interpretation/advice/analysis of the images is different. I did not share that part with the seller.

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If you aren’t already a therapist or life coach or something like that, you should be!

That’s a good point! I don’t think I want to escalate to that point, but their waiver (which I read closely, I’m a lawyer haha) did not include a media use waiver.

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I guess so! Now I am also grudgingly flattered haha.

I am sorry you are faced with this situation, how unpleasant and truly no one wins in the end, least of all the horse.

I find the phrasing you’ve shared so disingenuous, and I would have a problem with my face being associated with a sale like this. You do not want to be involved, period, because with what you’ve shared and know of this horse, you could tentatively be culpable down the road when and if this horse hurts his future rider.

I would message the seller and the trainer and tell them under no uncertain terms are they allowed to use videos/photos of you on this horse or in association with selling this horse.

As far as the rads… that is very irksome but if I were you I’d let them have it. It will only protect the horse in this situation to have all his cards out on the table for future buyers.

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Haha. No I have enough work on my hands just coaching myself through life!!

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I wonder why they don’t have more recent videos to show people…

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You are certainly within your rights to ask them to stop sharing any pictures or videos of you publicly. They can take their own sale videos with their own rider. You authorized the x-rays to be sent to them, and they are free to share them with anyone they want, so I’d let that one go.

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