Definitely makes me wonder if the horse has been going downhill since he’s been in more consistent work, that’s for sure.
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I’d have to wonder about the “x-rays on file”. I wouldn’t think they’d willingly share kissing spines.
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Sellers may share only the good x-rays, like just the leg views. Another buyer wouldn’t necessarily know that back or neck rads exist.
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Excellent point🤦♀️!
that’s what I’m worried about. a buyer might take him without knowing his entire condition, then problems may arise and the buyer might be unwilling or unable to address them properly.
I’d be upset about them using me in a video. Did they take the video? How would they even obtain video otherwise.
Also, I recently purchased a horse off another potential buyer’s PPE. My vet only confirmed the X-ray was clean. We asked the previous person to release it to me and it included the write-up of findings, not just the X-ray. Without the previous buyer signing off, they would have required another PPE at my expense.
Also, I think I ran across this ad. I only skimmed but my impression was that there was some big flags and hope whatever buyer did their due diligence. Sucks for the horse because it doesn’t sound like the future may hold a lot of good things, but it’s the eventual buyer’s responsibility to know what they are buying.
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So this is a potential for any horse sold anywhere. A smart buyer will get their own PPE and not trust random rads in possession of seller. Don’t feel that you are somehow implicated or responsible in scamming the next potential buyer. You went to see a horse, you shared your PPE findings, you made an offer that was rejected. You did everything honestly and upfront.
You cannot guarantee an outcome for any horse you don’t actually own. Worrying about where he ends up is natural since you met him and liked him and felt a connection. But you have no power in this situation and you just have to let go of worrying over it.
Regardless of whether or not you left copies of your rads, the seller and trainer can lie, puff, or give only partial truths like he was on pasture “through no fault of his own” when really he was likely NQR and semi retired.
Don’t start borrowing worry about things that don’t belong to you. It’s just another anxiety rabbit hole
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Not your circus, not your monkeys.
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exactly, I’m not getting involved. just can’t help but worry a bit.
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If you can be identified in the sales videos, I would demand my face be blacked out/blurred. I wouldn’t want to be associated in any way with the advertising of said horse.
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My image and video taken privately (not at a show) and used for commercial purposes? I would not be okay with that. That can’t be legal. I would ask for the video and image to be taken down via a personal message, and if they refuse, then I would comment on the video saying they didn’t have my permission to use the video and image, and to please take it down.
Regarding the X-rays, I agree with @beowulf that ultimately it’s best to let that one go to let future buyers know what they’re getting into.
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* THIS ^
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I wouldn’t be happy with just a facial blackout. I bet the OP rode the horse better than the current trainer - why else would they use her video?? If OP didn’t give permission for her likeness to be to used, then it’s illegal for sellers to do so. Just blurring her face still gives them the benefit of selling the horse off her skills.
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Agreed. I hereby demand the op demand they stop using it. 
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I’m in Camp “Stop Using My Image to Sell Your Horse”. And because I’m petty (and annoyed that she, A) is likely using the rads you paid for and B) seems willing to work out a “creative solution” with other potential buyers but not you), I’d be very curt with the seller about it.
I’m so glad your story ultimately has a happy ending, but don’t blame you for feeling irritated. I’d be quite livid about it.
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I’m glad you found a horse, that’s what matters!
I’d say you are well within your rights to ask the sellers not to use your photos or videos on their sales material. Not cool of them to use without your permission.
As for the rads, I would take that as a lesson learned not to give them to the sellers. But otherwise I don’t think there’s much you can do at this point.
My vet requires permission from whoever paid for the rads before they will release them to someone else, regardless of who owns the horse. I vetted a 5yo only to find terrible juvenile arthritis in the hocks. Like it was easy for me to see how bad the rads were and I’m not trained to read them. The owner had no idea and was devastated. Another buyer was interested in the horse and the seller suggested they buy the X-rays off me. I asked for half of what they cost me and released them to that buyer. That buyer passed after having their vet look at them. At this point the seller was really anxious about this horse’s future and was considering letting me take it on a free lease, and I was considering it as well because I really liked that horse.
Eventually seller decided to give the horse to a friend and asked me if they could buy the X-rays off me. Since I had already gotten some money back and the seller had been nice to deal with, I just ended up giving them the rads.
A few months later I saw the horse advertised by someone else as having “minor arthritis” and X-rays on file. I’m sure they were the same X-rays I had originally given the original owner. I just hoped that any potential buyers wouldn’t take the sellers word on the extent of the arthritis and would have their vet review. I thought about saying something but ultimately decided it wasn’t my place. But yes it did irritate me a bit too.
Not as irritating as the seller whose 4yo WB I vetted only to find a big chip on the rads. Everyone agreed it required surgery. Seller wouldn’t budge on price and asked me to turn over the X-rays to them to move forward with the surgery. My trainer advised me I should ask for some of the cost of the X-rays from the seller. When I told the seller I would sell them the X-rays they got huffy and said they would just pay for their own set.
Anyway, I have quite the collection of rads at my vet’s office of horses I didn’t buy. 
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No good deed- such as sharing the xrays- goes unpunished! I would definitely be irritated too, but thankfully you have found a good match. What happens to this horse is something you have no control over, other than blocking out your photo. Hope this guy finds a good owner like you who will take care of him and ride him within his capabilities. I wish I could collect all the misfits 
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I’m sorry for this situation but it’s a good read and lesson for all of us - while we might show our PPE findings to the seller, I wouldn’t necessarily give them copies. And I wouldn’t share photos/videos with the seller of the horse being tried. If they take their own video of you riding, that’s different.
I understand that your intention was to share this information in order to negotiate the situation, but it’s made me think about how that investment (of time and money) could be used for someone else’s benefit and not your own.
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You sound a lot like me. As I read your post I thought “irritated” would not begin to describe my feelings were I in your place. Thank goodness for horse people like @Scribbler! A much cooler temperament from another objective viewpoint.
I am sorry you got treated so badly by this seller and her trainer. I am glad you moved on, found a more suitable horse, and you like him.
To answer you OP question: IMO your irritation was understandable. Also IMO, Scribbler’s opinion makes sense to me.
Good luck with your new boy! Best wishes to you both! 
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Not quite.
The “original” radiographs are part of a medical record, which is a legal document, and the DVM is obliged to provide copies to the person who requested and paid for them.
If the horse owner/agent in this particular case called and requested copies, the DVM would need to have written permission from the person paying for the PPE before releasing them.
They are not the DVM’s to do with as they please.
However, here the person who is entitled to copies shared them, so the DVM is out of the loop.
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