Not sure but the radiograph situation. I think that is little tricky. On one hand I would be kind of glad that they were at least being honest and open about what was on the radiographs to other buyers.
I would be more upset about them using my videos. I would not want to be associated with a horse for sale that has bad radiographs. You are not involved in the sale and should not be in the videos!!
I’m guessing seller knew all along and that’s why the horse wasn’t in work. They probably chucked him a field for a while and brought him back to work in hopes of finding him a home that didn’t look too closely….
Ghazzu, a related question: Do rads have identifying information on them such as who took them/ vet practice name and the client’s name? Lately I’ve been looking at them immediately in the barn on the laptop screen, too interested in the image to notice any other details.
And a followup to your comment, related to having a horse vetted in say, another state. You note that the veterinarian who does the vetting is obliged to provide copies to the client who paid for it. Would that be to the client directly or to their regular vet? And would it be just the rads or findings of the entire PPE?
All radiographs should have client name, animal name/ID, DVM or clinic name, date of radiograph, and radiographic view (if an exremity, that should be labeled as L/R, F/H.
these days that’s typically accomplished by entering the info into the digital machine’s software.
With film, this was done by putting little lead markers on the cassette.
Often additional info was added with a Sharpie, but that is frowned upon, since it was done after the radiograph was taken and therefore could be inaccurate/dishonest.
We were taught that if a case went to court, that radiographs so marked could be much more easily disputed as to whether they were the actual rads taken of that animal on that date.
Back when we were using film, the originals, being part of the medical record, could not be handed over to clients, but could be sent to another DVM for review with the understanding that they would be returned. Copies could be made for the client to keep.
Any client who had radiographs performed is entitled to a written interpretation of the images–that is actually the service being rendered here, for the most part.
PPE findings are between the DVM performing the PPE and the client requesting it, who may or may not authorize the release of the information to another DVM or to the seller, etc.
You offered the x-rays. That’s like baking cookies and giving them to the neighbor then wanting them back. If you didnt want to give them away freely, you could sell them or keep them, which ive had buyers do in the past.
The video and photos come down to who owns the photo rights unless a release form was signed that releases the rights they are yours.
You passed on the horse. This is the classic example of performance sound vs. Vet findings. The horse is amazing. To the seller they see the performance sound value. You didnt, but someone else will. Just because you feel the price should be lowered due to findings doesnt mean it should - what if he wins at the next show and the seller increases it?
Just because a horse wins at his next show doesn’t mean he’s physically comfortable doing his job, or that he will be sound six months from that win.
OP, chalk me up with the other posters who also am suspicious the seller had no idea there were issues before the rads. I suspect that they are more open to creative solutions now because they’ve been struggling to sell him–but maybe they are hoping for a “creative solution” with someone less diligent and experienced than yourself.
Thank you so much. Good info to have in the back of my mind.
People love to say this about vet findings on PPEs and that if the horse can still perform the job it doesn’t matter. But I learned the hard way to proceed very carefully once there are findings on a PPE because it absolutely can impact insurance eligibility on the horse even for completely unrelated conditions. So yes after that experience, it absolutely does impact the value the horse if I can no longer get major medical coverage for it.
Wow. I would be extremely upset if a seller used photos of me riding the horse in their sales ad without my knowledge. That’s just so….icky. Especially given the backstory. It’s extremely suspicious they are using MONTHS old photo and video for a new sales ad……
Ive seen that trend with buyers now… h
Under 10k just a basic ppe but no x rays so they can insure it and pretend they didnt know.
I think a better analogy would be if you baked cookies, gave them to your neighbor, and then the neighbor tried to get people to come to a garage sale by saying “we have cookies!”
Legally, you gave them the xrays and they can do whatever they want with them. But the whole situation seems funky with them using images of you riding the horse and all of a sudden being open to “creative solutions” when they didn’t want to do the same with you. I’d be frustrated as well OP, but at the end of the day you can’t let it get to you.
Weird aside, one time my SO and I looked at a horse. We really loved him and scheduled a PPE. The seller sold him to someone else before the vet could get out to see him. Not an unusual tale, but the weird part is that the seller used a photo of me jumping the horse as her profile picture on facebook for a while!
Ok. So now I really want to see the pictures of the OP and now the latest poster that people are using without their permission because I’m thinking they must be pretty great pictures. I’m also laughing thinking that one thing I won’t ever have to worry about is a seller using my picture on their sale horse as an advertisement.
Anyway, congratulations on you two for riding so beautifully that your photo was valued. Yes, if mine was used without my permission, I would object as well, it’s just, you know, not likely. 
You should not be irritated as much as feel blessed you dodged a bullet when they refused to sell to you. Seller and their connections are well aware why he sat around for years and are using selected rads (you paid for) to avoid another suc…ummm…buyer ordering their own of the whole horse. These people are liars and its great you did not actually deal with them.
On what planet is severe kissing spines considered “ track jewelry”? How ignorant do these people think the buyer pool is? We aren’t talking assorted lumps, bumps and bows below the knee caused by hard work at speed on the track.
Being irritated they are using your image without your permission to sell this horse as sound is another issue but not worth stewing over. Just post publicly pointing out they do not have your permission to use your image. Thats all, thats not being petty, just smart.
The issue with picturing you on this misrepresented sale horse associates you with these shady sellers. Your reputation is all you have in the horse world, no matter your talent or achievements, if folks don’t trust you? You will never outlive it. Horse world is small and there are few secrets, these sellers dont operate in a vacuum.
Protect your reputation by publically asking them to stop using your image. If they do or don’t at least you publicly disassociated yourself from their marketing efforts. Then just let it go and forget about it.
@Scribbler, I.just.love.this. Most awesome way to address this situation ever. Might be able to extend this to other similar situations… So powerful.
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