Horse won’t canter with a rider, fine on the lunge

Your horse is adorable. I love saddlebreds. They tend to be very honest and try really hard. The kicking out to the side is something I feel like is most often tied to discomfort and/or frustration. Right now she is getting herself pretty stuck in a “frame” where the head and neck are set in a specific shape but she doesn’t know how to relax and swing through the back. That takes any horse time and even longer with a horse that has a long swan neck that makes it easy to curl. Judging a trainer on snippets of a single video feels unfair. What I will say is that saddlebreds often thrive when they are allowed complete freedom with their head and neck. Navigating how to ride her on a soft to loose rein walk/trot will teach you two as a pair how to maintain a steady rhythm and basic balance. If you take this approach and allow the head to climb as needed during the canter, I think you will have a horse that is much more willing to canter. If your trainer cannot see this and is not eager to hop on and show you how to trust her with her head and neck, I’d recommend softly looking around for other help. Many dressage trainers are not familiar with ASBs. A horse is a horse but it is helpful to have someone who has experience with the breed, arabians, or DHH and understand how easy it is for the long necked types to curl and get stuck. Months of regular work under the guidance of a trainer should have you much further along in terms of the horse understanding contact and how to stretch into the hand. This trainer may simply not have the skillset to help.

The fact that bucking has been established would also make me really really want to rule out pain first. Anyone who can look at a horse and say “it definitely isn’t pain” is absolutely blowing smoke. Horses can be fat and glossy with grade 4 bleeding stomach ulcer. Horses can be non-responsive to back palpations and have kissing spines. A horse can readily take a bit and have significant dental issues. Horses can stoically stand for mounting while the rider sits in a saddle with a broken or twisted tree.

Saddlebreds that end up in the saddleseat world are exposed to a set of circumstances that would blow the brain of many other breeds. Even if your girl never saw a saddleseat, she likely has that same good good brain bred into her. I’d believe her that something hurts before I took the word of someone who isn’t a vet say that it is the memory of pain. A lameness evaluation with flexions, gastric scope, and neurological exam at a university hospital or haul in clinic may run you $1k give or take. That’s not small money but she’s costing you board each month regardless of whether or not she is rideable and enjoyable. Sometimes it is better to get the answers all at once than dribble out money trying to take a cheaper route.

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I just want to say thank you for taking on a horse like this. Working through her issues will give her a long, useful life she may not have had as a “problem horse.”

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i completely agree. It might just be conditioning combined with basic conformation that is making her look so stiff. But she sure does lack freedom of movement in that video. And again, i wouldn’t even consider cantering. It’s not the be-all/end-all of horsemanship. The road to there IS in your case.

about the trainer, i’m not convinced s/he is good or not good. My coach will absolutely not ride any of her student’s horses. Ever, at all, period. And she’s a very good coach.

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That horse is gorgeous…

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Many years ago I had a 7/8 Arab 1/8 ASB mare. Her trot in the pasture, on the lunge line and out in the pasture were worse than your mare, my mare held her head up super stiffly. My parents gave her to me in her teens, she had been their pasture ornament because they could not really handle her. She had horrible “training” (as in I really saw no evidence of training beyond saddle broke) and they sold her to my parents with a Western “Tom Thumb” curb bit that was at least 1/2" too wide.

I worked on this mare. She started out balking and bolting. I had to put on spurs because of her balking all the time, and I had to put on a double bridle so she would actually listen to me.

After six months riding her I could coax her head down at the trot and canter while riding her, but gosh darn it imitating a giraffe was her favorite go to ridden or not (including loose in the pasture).

Finally, in despair, I made myself up a chambon with spare pieces of tack. It took 3 lunging sessions in the chambon and it was like a light went on in her head–she had not really realized that she could move with her head properly down. After those three sessions I never put the chambon on her again, and she got past this spastic behavior even though she was still a bolt and balk horse for a while.

I KNEW she was “fixed” when I saw her trotting in the pasture with her head down and her nose poked forward on a relaxed neck. I still had to ride her carefully but she became a decent riding horse.

DO NOT RIDE in a chambon. If you need something like it to ride go to a De Gogue (sp?) martingale.

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Yes yes rule out pain.

I agree with others who say side reins are not a solution to working in a good frame over the back, but having restarted a bunch of OTTBs and other types who flail about nervously in what I call “camel mode”, what side reins on the longe (and more controversially, German martingale or draw reins under saddle) can do with these types is simply to encourage a lower head which will instantly calm them down. I’ve seen it over and over and to me it seems like it’s instinctual: head up = alert to predator.

You really can’t work on anything else until you have a relaxed, focused horse.

Is the “best” way to spend months gently encouraging the horse to naturally relax and move into the bridle/over the back and the head naturally comes down as a result? Yes. Do we use some shortcuts because not everyone has that kind of time or intuitive feel or access to good coaching to get there? You tell me!

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I agree. I have taken a mare whose muzzle was higher than her pole. I never pull a head in with side reins. I lunged her in side reins and you could see the penny drop and her head lowered. Lunging in sidereins, teaches them contact and to not be afraid of the bit, it let’s them find their balance and work out their tempo on their own without having to deal with the weight of a rider.

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I know you had a farrier look her over, OP, but does she look a bit off on her outside hind leg? (I know, I know, there’s one person in every thread like this.) Again, this is just a video on the computer, and I’m far from a saddlebred expert. Her gait looked slightly uncomfortable/paddling to me, even at the trot, but of course this is just one moment in time. Thank you for posting, though, and it was definitely helpful for all of us.

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I agree the hind end looks NQR.

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Whew! I’m glad it wasn’t just me. I’m not one of those people with an eagle eye for lameness, but she really seemed to be dragging/off, and departing at the center would aggravate back lameness more so than the trot pain-wise.