[QUOTE=Bluey;8899159]
Not as simple as that:
http://forbesindia.com/article/recliner/being-vegan-in-india/4482/1?utm=slidebox
http://www.dawn.com/news/1206096
First two hits on google.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t say “vegan”; I said “vegetarian” - the point being that even people with very limited resources choose dietary restriction based on religion or ethics.
[QUOTE=Red Barn;8899182]
I didn’t say “vegan”; I said “vegetarian” - the point being that even people with very limited resources choose dietary restriction based on religion or ethics.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t say they didn’t, not before, not after your post.
My household is 100% vegan, but when we eat out DH orders the biggest steak they have. Doesn’t bother me at all, he’s a grownup and can make his own choices. When I go to a restaurant I’ll order my food quietly without the I’M A VEGAN PLEASE LET’S TALK ABOUT MY OPTIONS that so many vegan’s love. At Thanksgiving? I eat the veg options. It’s not hard: do what feels right to you, and don’t judge others.
This is my brother and his girlfriend. The house is vegan. Animal products only come in for the dogs or for special occasions (ie, if we have thanksgiving dinner there and mom insists on a turkey breast or something). But when he and GF go out, or if she eats out on her own, she gets meat. He doesn’t judge (he’ll tease but this is their dynamic), but he believes it’s everyone’s own choice.
[QUOTE=Bluey;8899192]
I didn’t say they didn’t, not before, not after your post.[/QUOTE]
Then what point were you trying to make?
A few pages back, the OP asked for suggestions on how to educate BF. How about starting with basic care? Hand him a hoof pick, show him how to use it. Talk about worming, vaccinations, basic health care. All of those things that free, wild horses don’t get. My DH is a strict vegetarian, and many years ago used to think that horses were supposed to run free. Once we were married he began to be more involved in horse care, and even took a few riding lessons. He’s had to feed, clean water troughs, hold horses for vets and farriers. It became obvious that the “run free, beautiful horse!” mindset is way off base. We’ve been married for 42 years, but we both had to compromise.
[QUOTE=Bluey;8899119]
Well, be glad you grew up where you could have a choice.
Growing up, food was rationed and scarce.
We didn’t have enough to eat and you bet we ate whatever was offered.
You had to if you didn’t want to go hungry.
Of course we had preferences, but they were moot question as far as eating what was available, just glad when that was something we really liked.
I consider this a first world problem, people choosing what to eat because they have such great and abundant choices.
How wonderful for everyone that is that lucky.
No one should feel superior and look down at those that make different choices.
I do think that the OP will need to determine which kind of vegan her SO may be.
If her horses may always come between them, that relationship may be made harder.[/QUOTE]
Of course I have a choice. I don’t live in a poor country.
Actually this is more of a third world question. As Red Barn said, many many people for thousands of years have been vegatarian. This is not new, The Hippiefying of the diet? I don’t know, I think it’s always been there.
Just because you have no knowledge of the history doesn’t mean it is not there. Same as the AC thread. That wasn’t new, nor is this.
[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8899838]
Of course I have a choice. I don’t live in a poor country.
Actually this is more of a third world question. As Red Barn said, many many people for thousands of years have been vegatarian. This is not new, The Hippiefying of the diet? I don’t know, I think it’s always been there.
Just because you have no knowledge of the history doesn’t mean it is not there. Same as the AC thread. That wasn’t new, nor is this.[/QUOTE]
Nice that you have a choice and good for you to live in a rich country. Not everybody is so lucky as you are. So whats the point of your post??
[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8899838]
Of course I have a choice. I don’t live in a poor country.
Actually this is more of a third world question. As Red Barn said, many many people for thousands of years have been vegatarian. This is not new, The Hippiefying of the diet? I don’t know, I think it’s always been there.
Just because you have no knowledge of the history doesn’t mean it is not there. Same as the AC thread. That wasn’t new, nor is this.[/QUOTE]
According to anthropologists, no ancient tribe of humans was ever “vegetarian” if meat or fish were available. Probably because the lack thereof has significant disadvantages for growth, brain development, and fertility. Why would people who have to exert great energy to find food prefer sources with the least-dense calories and nutrients which is mostly indigestible?
Only relatively recently has it been chosen for religious reasons (usually to facilitate advanced meditative states among clergy and then spread to some of the lay population, as in India) or personal choice.
It’s nobody else’s business if someone wants to eat a restricted diet. It BECOMES our concern when “activists” try to restrict our own choices.
[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;8899932]
According to anthropologists, no ancient tribe of humans was ever “vegetarian” if meat or fish were available. Probably because the lack thereof has significant disadvantages for growth, brain development, and fertility. Why would people who have to exert great energy to find food prefer sources with the least-dense calories and nutrients which is mostly indigestible?
Only relatively recently has it been chosen for religious reasons (usually to facilitate advanced meditative states among clergy and then spread to some of the lay population, as in India) or personal choice.
It’s nobody else’s business if someone wants to eat a restricted diet. It BECOMES our concern when “activists” try to restrict our own choices.[/QUOTE]
Right, some people don’t even know what they don’t know, do they.
Kind of easy to learn, google is your friend if you don’t.
Humans evolved by eating all they could find that didn’t kill them, just as every other out there in this world.
To think we can deny that is just not the way this world works.
Even today, with all the knowledge and supplements out there, thanks to our rather sophisticated civilization, there are still plenty of people that try to follow vegan principles and die for their mistakes, a friend’s mother one of those.
Not saying people may not die for other dietary problems, from other causes, but yes, being a vegan is not as friendly to humans as being what we evolved to be by any measure, omnivorous critters.
Those that are vegan, for their own very valid reasons or none, just need to remember that their exclusionary, restricted diet, again, their right to eat what they wish without need to give anyone reason why, that diet is not mainstream for good reason.
I’m sure everyone’s dying of curiosity, right? 
I think I have cooled on this guy - for a variety of reasons, but this was probably the real dealbreaker for me. I just don’t feel the same butterflies I felt before, which is a bummer because that’s fun. I’ll still be seeing him on a semi-regular basis due to circumstances, and I am happy to be friends with him. I think he’s a great guy who just turned out to not be my great guy. Haven’t had the opportunity to bring up the horse thing again, but I’m still interested in educating him if he’s willing. So please continue the discussion of how I can best do that.
Thanks for all the input!
[QUOTE=junebug;8900134]
I’m sure everyone’s dying of curiosity, right? I think I have cooled on this guy - for a variety of reasons, but this was probably the real dealbreaker for me. I just don’t feel the same butterflies I felt before, which is a bummer because that’s fun. I’ll still be seeing him on a semi-regular basis due to circumstances, and I am happy to be friends with him. I think he’s a great guy who just turned out to not be my great guy. Haven’t had the opportunity to bring up the horse thing again, but I’m still interested in educating him if he’s willing. So please continue the discussion of how I can best do that.
Thanks for all the input![/QUOTE]
Glad for the update, sorry it was not to be.
On the “educating”, remember, that may go both ways.
Plenty to learn in all discussions.
There are millions upon millions of vegetarians in India - 28% of the population, I think - and many more living abroad. For most,vegetarianism has nothing whatever to do with “advanced meditative states” or whatever else you’re trying to sell.
For many with Hindu backgrounds, vegetarianism is simply a long term cultural preference - like Muslims choosing Halal, or Jews avoiding shellfish and pork.
Seriously. Don’t you know any Indians?
What is the Sioux word for vegetarian?
Bad Hunter.
Hey, it’s an old joke.
Why, oh why don’t we have an eye-roll emoji?
:no:
[QUOTE=Manni01;8899852]
Nice that you have a choice and good for you to live in a rich country. Not everybody is so lucky as you are. So whats the point of your post??[/QUOTE]
did you read Bluey’s posts?
Let’s reacap, shall we?
Bluey said we should thank our lucky stars that we can choose what we eat. I said, of course, we live in the USA or Canada (most likely). So?
She/he also said that vegetarians are new. In fact no, they are not. This is not some modern day thing. It has been going on culturally for many years- ever read about India, china -you know, the 5 bajillion Buddhists?
Is it still hard to understand? you and LE need to refresh your memory on culture… you are a bit slow on the uptake here…
[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;8899932]
According to anthropologists, no ancient tribe of humans was ever “vegetarian” if meat or fish were available. Probably because the lack thereof has significant disadvantages for growth, brain development, and fertility. Why would people who have to exert great energy to find food prefer sources with the least-dense calories and nutrients which is mostly indigestible?
Only relatively recently has it been chosen for religious reasons (usually to facilitate advanced meditative states among clergy and then spread to some of the lay population, as in India) or personal choice.
It’s nobody else’s business if someone wants to eat a restricted diet. It BECOMES our concern when “activists” try to restrict our own choices.[/QUOTE]
Would it be possible to put sources with these statements?
Actually the poor people ate veg back in the day…like when Bhuddah walked the earth
google, your friend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_vegetarianism
I haven’t read all the replies, so this may repeat other suggestions.
There is a world of difference between a reasonable vegan and militant vegan. A reasonable vegan is much easier to deal with - a militant vegan is just simply RIGHT about everything.
I would suggest that you compile videos, articles, pictures etc of what it is really like for horses to live in the wild to allow him to release himself from the rose-tinted notion that it is lovely for the horses. Educate him in the harsh realities of wild horse existence.
A responsible horse owner and a vegan both agree that cruelty to horses and any abuse of them - and this includes cruelty through ignorance - is completely unacceptable.
Let him spend time with you and your horse so he can see the bond that you have and that both you and your horse gain equally from the partnership. He might find it easier to live with it if you use the term companion animal rather than describe yourself as the owner of the horse.
[QUOTE=Bluey;8899119]
Well, be glad you grew up where you could have a choice.
Growing up, food was rationed and scarce.
We didn’t have enough to eat and you bet we ate whatever was offered.
You had to if you didn’t want to go hungry.
Of course we had preferences, but they were moot question as far as eating what was available, just glad when that was something we really liked.
I consider this a first world problem, people choosing what to eat because they have such great and abundant choices.
How wonderful for everyone that is that lucky.
No one should feel superior and look down at those that make different choices.
I do think that the OP will need to determine which kind of vegan her SO may be.
If her horses may always come between them, that relationship may be made harder.[/QUOTE]
It is not the fault of any vegan or vegetarian that someone doesn’t have enough to eat and must eat anything and everything that breathes. I know people who ate raccoons and opossums when they were young and poor.:eek: The OP is seeking, or was seeking advice on how to educate a vegan friend. People need education on issues not a militant “you are wrong” attitude by meat eaters.
[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8900479]
Would it be possible to put sources with these statements?
Actually the poor people ate veg back in the day…like when Bhuddah walked the earth
google, your friend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_vegetarianism[/QUOTE]
You are right sendenhorse. Humans ate vegetables and occasionally meat. Like the apes to whom we are very closely related.
[QUOTE=junebug;8900134]
I’m sure everyone’s dying of curiosity, right? I think I have cooled on this guy - for a variety of reasons, but this was probably the real dealbreaker for me. I just don’t feel the same butterflies I felt before, which is a bummer because that’s fun. I’ll still be seeing him on a semi-regular basis due to circumstances, and I am happy to be friends with him. I think he’s a great guy who just turned out to not be my great guy. Haven’t had the opportunity to bring up the horse thing again, but I’m still interested in educating him if he’s willing. So please continue the discussion of how I can best do that.
Thanks for all the input![/QUOTE]
It happens! That’s part of the game. I rather know sooner than later that the flames are going to cool. Makes it easier!
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