Hotblood x Coldblood = Warmblood?

[hitchinmygetalong]

I’m sitting here on a Friday night watching Jeopardy (I have no life) and lo and behold they have a category on “Good Horsekeeping.” One “answer” was “What you get when you cross a hot blood with a cold blood.” The correct question (which no one got) was, “What is a warmblood?”

This has always confused me. Is it true? If you cross a Thoroughbred with a Percheron do you get a “warmblood?”

On doing a little research, I find that my Morgan is a WARMBLOOD, at least according to this:

List of “warmblood” breeds

I’m sure my friends with Hanoverians and Holsteiners would be a little skeptical!

“I am not afraid of storms, for I am learning to sail my ship.”
-Louisa May Alcott

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CG–

If you want to try and cross zebras with Thoroughbreds to create Olympic caliber horses–
MORE power to you.

Please take your trivial mindset elsewhere…

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equestrielle-

EXACTLY!

[2487lyf]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nattie:
they were GERMAN drafts<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Did you miss this part?? or this part: <BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I DIDN’T SAY THEY RESEMBLE TODAYS DRAFT HORSES. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I am positive I am right. I didn’t do a year’s worth of research for no reason.

~~Nattie~~
Maryland Clique
Non-GPA Clique!
Warmblood (Hanoverian) Clique

[hitchinmygetalong]

So who is going to call Alex Trebek and correct Jeopardy on their stupid question?

“I am not afraid of storms, for I am learning to sail my ship.”
-Louisa May Alcott

[hitchinmygetalong]

Ah, we are back to semantics again.

LaraLeigh, if you have a gorgeous Appy/Tb/Perch cross that you are proud of, why don’t you call him an Appy/Tb/Perch cross? I’m assuming he is a gelding (that is, not breeding stock) so what does it matter what “breed” he is? A lovely horse is a lovely horse.

I think the problem is the use of the word warmblood to signify a BREED when the correct term for the BREED should be “Holsteiner” or “Swedish Warmblood” - the registry.

And hey, what about the PONIES? What the heck are THEY?

“I am not afraid of storms, for I am learning to sail my ship.”
-Louisa May Alcott

[easyjumper1]

The main difference is, is that European warmbloods didn’t go from this to a horse the size of a warmblood overnight. They bred lighter horses originally meant for use on the farm to lighter stallions, and eventually thoroughbreds. First horses likeL’Invasion , and other old Oldenburger, French and Holsteiner lines. So they had a horse of about this size, and then they started breeding them to the newer Holsteiner lines, like the sires Rigoletto and Joost and eventually thoroughbreds like Lucky Boy and Courville. So we ended up with horses like one of these (my own )

[bigbay]

Oh my, just read through the four pages I missed out on on this thread…

Did anyone else notice the looks on the cows’ faces in that picture of the baby zorse (or zetland)?

Of course, the only problem I see with Curious George’s proposed zorse registry is its ability to sustain itself, since the hybrids are sterile…

[BaldEagle]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bits and Pieces:
CG,
Someone rode a zebra ? Please share …
Yours in sport,
Lynn<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Lynn
I didn’t, but I share what I know

Among our rescues are zebra hybrids. These are a cross between a male zebra and a female horse, pony or donkey. This is the usual way to breed these hybrids, though occassionally a female zebra can be used. These striped animals are difficult to handle and are not just a horse with a striped coat. They are extremely athletic and can turn out from under a rider like no horse ever could. They are even more opinionated than a mule, and, add that to the athleticism of a wild zebra, you have an animal that is not for any but the most experienced rider or handler. Though they are outstanding in appearance, we do not recommend them as pets or as riding animals. Our zorses are rarely available for adoption.

http://members.aol.com/mtnrdgrnch/hybrids.htm

http://seazorses.homestead.com/Zebras.html

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Mistyblue–

(Eville Laugh) A-HHAAAAAAAA AA-HHAAAAAAAAAA!

[AJHorsey]

Yipee! I can now go around saying “I’ve got Two warmbloods!!” (Ohhh- Ahhh.)
Yup- Standardbreds ARE warmbloods- how it works out, I don’t know, but they are!
Back to the hybred donkey thing…
My grandmother sent me an article about a donkey/ zebra cross being born in the area where she lives, about how rare this is, ect. I just liked what it was called- a “ZONKEY”. (I am very easily amused!)
It’s been very interesting reading the answers here. I’ve always wondered the same question.

Standardbred lover- owner of Studs Hooligan, aka Strider, ex- pacer, retrained for eventing
Standardbred Clique
ARMY Brat
Disgruntled College Students Clique

[Everythingbutwings]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And hey, what about the PONIES? What the heck are THEY?
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Cute!

Friendship is Love without his wings
-Lord Byron

[Fairview_Horse_Cente]

Hey Garma A is Nevada’s Great Great Grandmother!

Darlyn
http://www.fairviewhorsecenter.com

Are We Having Fun Yet?

[Celtic_Witch]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
I don;t see why everyone cannot agree — it appears that German warmbloods were derived from heavy horses used in agriculture.

Whether they were (300 years ago) or are (now) called “Draft” horses is splitting hairs.
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Not quite. Just as the Cleveland Bay and a Shire are two vastly different horses, a Draft (Percheron, Shire, Clyde, whichever you choose) is vastly different from the old Hanoverians etc. The old type Warmbloods were more reminiscent of a Cleveland Bay than anything else. No European Warmblood studbook refers to the old types as drafts anywhere, which was the original point; that Percheron x TB does not equal a Warmblood and justifying that claim by saying that all Euro Warmbloods originated from Draft stock is not correct.

Is this beating a dead horse? For most of us, definitely! But as long as people continue to make ignorant assumptions, I think those of us who attempt to make a living from breeding have a right to attempt to educate people. If you disagree, read this thread and you will see that I am not alone.
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=6656094911&f=3206053911&m=83660667&p=1

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Master Tally:
Medievalist, I believe Irish Draughts are “working horses”, not actually drafts. And I don’t think Irish sporthorses (RIDxIrish TB) are not considered warmbloods by the Europeans.
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Yup. Irish Draughts are working types but an Irish breeder would not appreciate their being called a draft horse! I would consider the Irish Sporthorses/Hunters and Draughts as Warmbloods but I am not sure which Continental registries allow them into their Studbooks. I know that as an EU recognised breed, the KWPN would allow offspring by or out of KWPN approved horses to be in the A or B Registries. I can’t understand why they wouldn’t Approve some of them (although they are heavier than the Dutch like right now) as you can’t beat them for jumping prowess.

One of my favourite rides ever was on a friend’s coloured ISH who carried my 7 months pregant self over a 5’ show jumping course. Nearly gave my husband a stroke, but what fun!

Susie

[wanderlust]

Nattie, Susie is correct. Warmbloods descended from “heavy horses” that in NO WAY resembled the drafts as they exist today. There is a great thread over on the SHB forum that goes into this “indepthly.” Anyways, there’s alot of good information, and correction of some very common misinformation.

Also, to touch back on your original statement that a warmblood is anything that descends from a draft… nope, sorry. I can think of lots of things descending from a draft that would in no way resemble a warmblood. Like a draft/draft, just for example.

[wanderlust]

Superpony- from my understanding, the horses closest to today’s “draft” breeds were very expensive horses used to pull cannons and very heavy loads for the military. They were not kept as farm workhorses the way they are today. Rather, the farm workhorses and carriage horses were of a lighter type than the super-heavy drafts. Again, think of Irish Draughts and the like.

That said, I can’t tell whether the breeders of the past differentiated between the two types, but again, it is my understanding that none of the very heavy drafts were used in the early breeding of European warmbloods.

I have the funny feeling I didn’t answer your question…

[tu_mamA]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> So my Andalusian/Thoroughbred cross, with 7/8 Andalusian and 1/8 Thoroughbred would be…what? A roomtemperatureblood? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A lukewarmblood.

[easyjumper1]

Well, if you want to see what the horses out of the old type warmblood lines looked like, go to the Del Mar site http://www.pedigreequery.com/allbreed/ and type in for example Monarch, Favoriet (Gelderlander) or Wokina or Garma A, and then click on “photos” at the bottom of the pedigree, and then some photos will pop up

[Just_My_Style]

Wow. I have a warmblood!?!?! He’s 1/2 Belgian Draft & 1/2 TB. Who would have thought?

GA Clique/Drafties Clique
Live Large- Ride a Drafty!

[CuriousGeorge]

Seraph, obviously not “everyone” thinks I am nasty.

Delyth and Hitch, thank you for seeing the situation clearly. Some people will always have delusions of grandeur.

I do kind of like zebras. I wonder what happened to that one Judy Richter had a few years ago…

I’m an alter, and I hate stupid people.