How to let a client go, or maybe not

To expand upon the working student offer, the rider tried it for an afternoon, 3 hours of learning to muck a couple stalls the way we do it, turning out a few horses, to learn where the paddocks were, helping prepare pm grain, and learning to clean tack the way I prefer it be done. Later that evening, I recieved a text from her mother stating “they wouldnt be participating in the working student program because her time would be better spent with her horse at home”. I gathered it is due to there being actual work and not riding.

the offer to ride my sale tb was truly to show what riding a green (but relatively safe) horse is like.Aa green horse who was wtc and jumping small courses, not a green horse with unknown training and questionable soundness. And it was in a regularly scheduled lesson with no strings attached. They did not schedule a lesson and instead bought the new horse.

this thread really wasnt asking for advice on how to train the green tb and his rider, which is why I didn’t elaborate much on the horse or his greenness. It was asking for advice on “when would you be done with this client” due to safety concerns and beating my head against a wall.

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I fired a student once for being unwilling to commit to a training program. She would ride once or twice a week (our weekly lesson and a hack, generally) but complained about the lack of results. Basically, she wanted me to install “buttons” so he would put his head down at shows and she wouldn’t have to practice. I told her that she needed to commit to riding at least a few days a week, or else we should stop, because it was a waste of time and money. That was our last lesson.

I also stopped teaching a child, because her leased horse was demonstrating neurological symptoms (falling down under saddle) and I couldn’t condone her continuing to ride him. I offered to continue teaching on a different horse, but parents were not horsey and didn’t think the habit was dangerous. Eventually they got there on their own, but our ship had sailed by that point.

If you’re still wanting to help this kid (who sounds like she is being indulged by ignorant parents), I would offer help, conditional on whatever makes you feel comfortable- commitment to a certain number of lessons per week, boarding, lessons on a school horse, etc. If not, I would be straight and explain that you don’t think you can offer adequate help in this situation. Wish them the best and leave it at that.

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I would guess/hope that firing them as clients may be a wake up call to be more realistic with what they can achieve with a green horse and a weekly haul in.

I have clients sort of like this: I try to give them specific things to work on at home and give them realistic goals…it is very slow progress…but, if you think the kid in in danger, I would not keep then as clients if only from a liability standpoint, and I would in fact say this (ideally on the phone to the parents),

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OP, I am assuming that you have been forthright and clear with this family about the safety aspect, which (as you point out) is by far the most important danger they are insisting on being part of their lives. That you did not couch your message in too much politeness, or verbally work around it thinking they would figure out what you meant. I’m assuming they heard all of the safety messages (parents and child) and have dismissed them all.

They aren’t going to change. In fact, it’s possible they will make their situation even worse. And drag you in as the fall guy, if you allow it.

You didn’t burn the bridge. They did.

Any time you feel you cannot speak truth, cannot speak with polite but open frankness without torching the relationship, there isn’t a real relationship. It is all about them, it’s their world, and you are just an object in it. Until you aren’t compliant, then they drop you and look for someone more willing to cave to their imaginings. (There are people who will.)

“Dear Mr & Mrs Parent,
My program is unable to meet your needs. I wish you all the best in your equestrian endeavors.
Signed,
You”

I do not think you need waste another moment or word explaining, as you’ve already given them abundant information that they have not just ignored, but blatantly defied. My guess is that during the quiet interim they consulted another trainer, who also told them similar things, and they didn’t like that message either. And that is why they came back to you hoping for a different answer that agreed with their views, this time. (Just speculation, of course.)

I know you are concerned about the kid, but you can’t fix that, unfortunately. Children of such parents do develop remarkable survival skills.

Don’t worry about your reputation or opinions in the rest of the horse community. Your standing rests on you and your actions, not on these ex-clients (never-were clients, truthfully). Anyone who understands horses and who does meet and talk with them will come to share your view fairly quickly.

You do sound like a very decent and caring trainer, and as such IMO you do not need to be part of the chaos they take with them wherever they go. If they are touching your program in any way they will continue to be a source of endless worry and frustration, draining your time and energy to little purpose.

Let this one go. There is no upside here.

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All this, well said. Except, OP, that I wouldn’t claim that the program is full if that isn’t the real reason. They could continue asking if a spot is now open, and/or tell other people that you’d be glad to have as clients that you don’t have openings. Just tell them you are unable to meet their needs and wish them the best.

If they turn around and tell others about your message in an aggrieved way, just make sure that your side of the story is out there to travel the gossip chain along with whatever they say. In this day and age you can’t let someone else tell your story without making certain that the whole truth is out as well, even if you put it out by stealth. Just chat about it with the two or three people who are the telephone wires of the community. But given the probable lack of progress this family may be making with their horse, if they aren’t part of riding clubs and organizations they may not have anyone to tell who is connected with the equestrian community.

This is a case where past performance is a predictor of future returns. Whether for financial reasons or invincible ignorance, they are unlikely to change their ways.

So, sensibly, you should pleasantly make a polite exit from the whole scenario.

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I recently went through a very similar situation.

The only advice I can give you is to really trust your gut in these situations. If you are willing to give them another shot, give them the exact program you feel this horse needs and exactly what that will cost them…in an email or other written message. If that is full training for at least 90 days after a thorough vet exam? Twice a week regular lessons? Whatever it is, spell it out for them, and then stick to it. If they decline the program you offer, politely tell them the program is in the best interest of the rider’s safety and horse’s training, and that will be their only option to work with you, and be done with it.

On the other hand, if your gut has been telling you to cut them loose and you don’t even want to think about being involved again? Simply thank them for the interest in lessons again and tell them you don’t have time available for haul in lessons at this time.

Good luck to you. These situations are never easy.

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Read all of this, interesting situation that turns up, sooner or later, for any Pro. How they handle it can be a personal, career defining moment. Choices can be difficult and are rarely clear cut.

My thoughts are that this situation is just not something OP can work with within the parameters set by the client here, meaning the parents. You can’t fix everything and everybody as a Pro. Short and simple. Forget the horse, most can be fixed with consistent, goal oriented programs. It’s the humans who refuse to commit to any kind of consistent program be it twice a month hauling in or traveling to them with homework to be mastered before the next visit or full time boarding taking two or three lessons a week. Even full training, horse get better, owner gets on, does not follow direction or know how, training goes poof. That you can’t fix and this type owner/parent WILL blame you.

I get the can’t afford it angle, BTDT the first 25 years I owned horses starting at age 18, BUT I was committed to getting quality instruction less frequently (twice a month) and diligently doing the homework. And watched and listened and hung around the barn and local show schooling rings learning, This kid doesn’t, maybe because parents won’t take her or can’t afford even twice a month haul ins. But OP CANT fix that part.

As I read what OP has posted, perhaps there are some personal feelings here, Pros are humans too, there’s no path to success here without a change in attitude on the client side. OP seems to run a barn that tries to work with individual limitations but this situation goes beyond what she can work with given the lack of commitment. All else aside, if they aren’t there and won’t listen when they are? What’s the point? There’s no tools or cooperation to work with. You not a miracle worker, they don’t listen so stop beating your head against the wall, let them go. Perhaps they will work it out with another or perhaps not but let them make the choice to follow your program for them or go elsewhere.

But HOW to let them go without creating a kerfuffle or treating them any differently then your other clients as the last thing you want to do is single any client out. My two very best trainers over 50 years both did the same thing, annual sit down goal meetings with each client, haul ins, non owning lesson takers or full time in barn clients/parents. Yes, it will take a few minutes more of your time per client but creates a much better understanding and defines expectations on both sides. You get a better idea where they want to go and they can share those thoughts with you and feel more valued as a client. You also can go over what you would like to see from them commitment wise besides money.

Might be a good opportunity to review your contracts and barn rules as well as haul in procedures and expectations. You sort of allowed this to get where it is by not standing firm earlier, it’s hard but it is the professional way to conduct a business. Simply require haul ins to agree to a minimum number of sessions a month, like 2, and agree to do the homework. Attach that to your liability release and have them initial or sign it. Reserve the right to conduct the lesson as you deem appropriate, including ground only and stop it if the horse appears unsound or the tack not in good repair or appropriate. The client here has a choice to meet with you and follow your program or not. I would not tell them you don’t have time, tell them the truth, they need to follow your program and your advice or it just won’t work.

Set some guidelines in writing, communicate them with all clients and get everybody on the same page. This will not be the only time you will get clients like these. Don’t be afraid to admit you can’t make exceptions for one client when all the others stay within your guidelines. Or admit to yourself you can’t help those that won’t help themselves.

The way others perceive your talents is through your clients and the condition and performance of their horses. Think about that. Never forget it. And tell the truth, sometimes people actually learn from hearing the truth. Here it’s they follow your guidelines or you do not work with them. Period. You don’t have to fire them. It’s not personal or unique to them and their choice to stay or go. Same as any other client.

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This is some top-notch advice, and not jut for this particular client.

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I am a trainer and have been in your shoes. Without writing a novel here about my experiences and opinions, I will give you one thing to consider:

If these particular clients are out in the world telling people that YOU are their trainer (regardless of how little training you actually do for them), it may affect your business in a negative way. Your clients are a reflection of you. For this reason, I have been much more selective about who I take on and only take on clients that are in my program full time, under my supervision and guidance. One horrific horse/rider combo “advertising” your services is all you need to scare away the good ones.

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She didn’t say he crossfired; she said he was weak and she never saw a true canter from him on the lunge. Crossfiring and not wanting to canter are not the same thing. My understanding was that the OP was, in fact, relating it to the potential unsoundness issues from that ankle that had to be ‘cleaned out’ (I assume he had chips, which makes me wonder just how severe the injury was and how sound he will be under saddle).

I also seriously doubt that even if the parents did see x-rays or a vet report, that they are knowledgeable enough to know how to read them and what they mean.

OP, it sounds like you know you need to wash your hands of them, but if you want to try one more time with them, I would only do it on the conditions that a good vet x-rays that leg, and then that he’s put into full training with someone who knows how to retrain OTTBs for at least 60 days. It doesn’t worry me that he was acting like a baby at your place; babies will be babies, and that’s what training and miles are for. It worries me more that he seemed NQR in the lunge session.

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90% of the horse world could be fixed by people using there words. OP if you don’t want to train them don’t train them. Fun fact every barn/trainer has bad things said about them. Move on. It’s not a good fit. If you know of someone that might be point them in that direction.

My god life would be so much easier if people used their words and didn’t give a damn what was said because at the end of the day, if you’re worth it you’ll have plenty of people supporting you.

OP, I think that your best option is to elect not to train this pair. Choosing your clients is a very important part of running a successful training business. Even if you are the most easygoing and accepting trainer in the world, it is not a workable situation to try to coach a student that is 1) not listening to any of your advice and 2) unsafely mounted.

I think that the situation you describe is highly likely to go south. The horse is either going to prove unsafe and accidents and injuries will result, or the horse will develop soundness problems. If you are involved, it will reflect on you. If you are involved, a client like this is also likely to blame you: “You never liked the horse,” “You wanted to see them fail so you could sell them another horse to make your commission,” etc.

I think the main question is how to say no in a professional manner. I think it is perfectly acceptable to gently say something like, “I’m not comfortable teaching Suzie on HorseX. I think he is an attractive young prospect, but he is very green and needs more training and experience before he is a suitable mount for Suzie. I am very supportive of young riders learning to ride a wide variety of mounts and to also learn how to train young horses, but a young rider has to solidify their own skills first.”

Depending on what is true, you could add, “My advice would be for Suzie to continue taking lessons on experienced school horses so she can focus on her own skills and I would be happy to continue instructing her in this manner.”

As far as the horse, I would NOT get involved in any manner because I think there is no happy ending here. The horse needs to be retired, given away or resold for a small amount. I wouldn’t offer training services because I would never recommend to a friend to spend $$$$ in training bills on a horse that appears to be unsuitable and might or might not stay sound.

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You are there. Walk away. No need for lengthy explanations, since they don’t listen to you anyway. ‘I don’t think your situation is a good match for my program. Good luck in the future.’

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OP, I hope you will update this thread on what you decide to do, and how it turns out. Interested on your behalf, and your situation is definitely a learning experience for others as well.

Good luck, whatever you decide to do!

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