How to teach/learn diagonals?

Thank you for this! And all your advise.
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And I have one student I will mention here… She is doing jumpers right now, is an incredible rider by feel, and for some reason this was one of the things that she struggled with. If this kid had been on an equitation track, she would’ve been held back and shamed. As it was, she progressed with this glitch that popped up at some embarrassing times… but every horse she rides loves her, and her substantial and talented warmblood jumper is one of them. So…don’t despair!
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What you wrote here does sound like my daughter. She is a pretty good rider overall. Diagonals seem to the the biggest thing she got docked for in shows this year… Then while we have done trial lessons one trainer was very technical and broke down many aspects of her riding … I saw in that lesson some bad habits she has developed. This trainer, while not sprinkling in any praise, taught her a LOT in just one lesson. Dd came away having learned some things that have stuck with her, but not feeling positive. So I am on the hunt for a more technical trainer that is a bit more positive. It is hard switching barns/ choosing a new trainer bc I’m looking for the “perfect” person/barn and most likely doesn’t exist …more reasonable to look for the best barn for DD for the time being…

It took my daughter almost 5 years to learn her diagonals. It was an ongoing joke that she was such a good rider but could never get her diagonal even by looking she couldn’t get it. Many lessons devoted to it and different approaches tried but nothing seemed to work. She was 13 actually and we all gave up. It was a waste of time and too much frustration. A few months later and with very little fan fare, she just did it on her own. She shows regularly now and she never has the wrong diagonal.

But canters leads- she always felt those from the beginning and never had an issue.

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I don’t think it’s luck, but again - I really do think it depends on the horse too. And that could be one of the issues that the OP’s daughter is facing if she rides only a couple horses most of the time.

Most of us have been on a really choppy trot and when that diagonal is wrong it is jarring. My paint mare is western trained, so even her more forward trot is pretty flat. She can slow it down to almost not moving, and at a certain point you can’t post at all. So if someone consistently rides a horse that is anything like that - I can definitely imagine how it would be more challenging.

But for really little kids - you see it so often - they kick/cluck, get 4 trot steps, look down to check the diagonal and the horse breaks to the walk. I think that’s the main reason this trainer wouldn’t teach it at first. Not to mention, when they can’t steer either…lots of issues. Wrong diagonal is not the worst thing, and they will very often just correct it.

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I ask my “lesson girl” what diagonal she’s on.

She answers (and is right probably 75% of the time).

I ask if that’s the correct diagonal.

She answers (and is right 100% of the time).

From there, she stays or switches.

In the beginning she had a really hard time with it. Honestly, I found a really good online article with a little video game to play, and I sent it to her guardian. That helped.

Now, she’s riding 4-5 times a week and the improvement is 10-fold.

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“Rise and fall with the leg on the wall.”

TBS, I do occasionally (once every 6 mos) peek down and realize I’ve been on the wrong diagonal. Often times if my horse is very straight and in the bridle, not leaning around turns, I don’t notice, because the trot is not an asymmetrical gait like the canter.

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There have been a lot of good answers here, and I’m posting from a phone so it’s hard to go and quote multiple people, so some of this is repeats of other posters.

All new riders have such different time frames when it comes to learning diagonals. I teach low levels, think dead beginners to IEA open levels, mostly. So I spend a lot of time teaching diagonals. Some of the kids pick it up immediately. Some take forever to figure it out. Ironically, the ones who seem to get diagonals right away seem to trend towards those who have big struggles in other areas, like steering, rhythm, etc. No real reason why. Just an interesting side note.

I start all of mine with the standard, “rise and fall with the leg by the wall” or “when the outside front leg goes forward, you’re going up out of the saddle”. They do have to have the understanding of diagonal pairs explained to them, and then say the same thing over and over for a few lessons. If they can’t “see” the leg moving forward, I have them say “now” or count a number every time the leg goes toward. Once I know that they are definitely seeing the leg, then I start asking “ok are you standing or sitting when you’re saying a number?” And then from there, “ok does that mean the diagonal is right or wrong?”

When I have one that really doesn’t get it, I try not to spend all lesson every lesson harping on it. They get bored and discouraged. The other thing is that often times they start guessing, and trying to give you the answer that you want to hear. So then you have to explain that you don’t care if they’re wrong, you just want to know what it is that they are seeing.

I actually use feeling the diagonal as a last resort most of the time, and here is why. These kids are learning on lesson horses. Most horses, but especially lesson horses, have one direction that is easier for them than the other. Many lesson horses, again especially beginner horses, go with their body Bent more one direction than the other. Many of them have one hind leg that pushes harder than the other. For example, how many of you have ridden a school horse than canters better on, say, the left lead? Most of the time that’s because they can push better with their right hind. Because they can push better with the right hind, 95% of the time if the rider lets the horse start the posting for them, they are going to start going up with the right hind/left front, or the correct diagonal for the right rein, regardless if they are going left or right.

The one good way I know for teaching feel is to put the rider on a circle. When they post on the correct diagonal, the inside hind is pushing them up and to the outside, which makes them feel straight and in balance. When they are on the wrong diagonal, they are going to feel crooked and like they are falling in. Again, doesn’t always work on the older lesson horses, but once they’re on a horse that is pretty balanced, they can start to feel it.

One final thought in this rambling mess. When I am teaching my IEA riders and I want them to start on the correct diagonal, I have them practice starting in the sitting trot from the walk, until they can see or feel the outside front leg going forward, and then start moving with it.

Most of this is going to come down to a couple things for your particular rider.

  1. does she understand the concept of the correct diagonal?
  2. can she actually see the outside front leg going forward?
  3. can she count and hold the rhythm enough to tell if she is standing when the leg is going forward? Sometimes it’s hard for them to divide seeing the leg and feeling their body.

Finally (for real this time), try not to let her stress about it! The more she panics and gets nervous, the harder it’s going to be to actually figure them out.

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Does she look to the inside or outside for the diagonal? If she’s looking put, research her by looming in and it usually fixes it. So rising when they inside shoulder comes back.

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