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Human-Equine Attachment Questionaire

I won’t. :wink: it was abundantly clear that the entire claw was gone. Bandage and all you could tell there was no structure of any kind left. It would be like lopping off the entire foot of a horse. There was literally nothing left to regrow. Not a resect or sloughing of the hoof capsule - the entire thing was gone.

Maybe the easiest comparison would be de-clawing a cat but only taking a claw or two and leaving the rest. The ones removed would not regrow as they would have been completely amputated. The ones remaining would carry on as normal.

I just took the survey and that was…. bizarre.

“I think my horse is just a horse” well yeah? :roll_eyes::roll_eyes:

Do I have a good relationship with my horse? Yeah, I’m the treat lady and also I’ve created some measure of trust that he knows I won’t ask him to do anything that’ll get him eaten. He will do things for me that he might balk at with someone else, cause I let him think and reapproach things to keep him under threshold. That’s training and basic understanding of body language, not some majickal “bond”.

Like everyone else said, this reads like a silly quiz for 8 year olds on a horse game site. I wonder if this is some project that’s required in class on how to set up an online survey. Maybe it’s more about the legal-ese and language than the actual subject matter? Either way, clearly someone (the person who made the survey or the person running the class) has zero horse experience, and I’d argue zero animal experience outside of the family cat.

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Maybe she should post this on TTHW’s facebook page. That would get some interesting responses.

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Evidently most here didn’t read or understand the original post which clearly states the purpose of this survey. The questions are all relevant and appropriate given the purpose of the survey.

From the OP

I am a student researcher from Colorado State University in the department of psychology. We are inviting participants who are over the age of 18 and who own or rent/lease a horse. Participation will take approximately 20-30 minutes. This is an anonymous online survey. Participation in this research is voluntary. We will not collect names or any other personal identifiers. While there are no direct benefits, we hope participants will learn more about the relationship they have with their horses. They will also be helping to inform the practices of Equine Assisted Services that use horses to promote human well-being.

Right, but equine assisted therapy service was part of my focus in school and these questions have almost no relevance to that topic. Besides the weird childish type of questions, it’s very focused on people with their own animals, whereas most therapy and learning is done with program horses NOT owned by participants.

ETA, maybe “childish” isn’t the right word; perhaps anthropomorphic is better.

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How is this audience relevant to the questions then?

I’ve been volunteering for a month now at a nearby therapeutic riding center and it’s fuzzy how my personal relationship with my horse is applicable for the EAL world. These questions might be better asked to participants in EAL vs private horse owners…or structured much differently.

Sure, some of is have very special bonds with our horses and I’m lucky to consider myself one of them. That is a completely different experience than I had when I was still involved regularly with horses but did not have one special to me. I find time with MY horse therapeutic but that’s very individual to this specific relationship.

I looked at the survey but didn’t submit because of the weirdness.

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I’m familiar with EAL, our barn runs a program and I’ve had lots of chats with the organizer and talked to other people involved in EAL.

None of this anthropomorphism is encouraged in participants or part of how the practitioners work. They are horse people, they don’t want to get the kids in their care trampled. Also the kids are in 6 or 8 week sessions, they don’t have years to build a relationship with their Speshul Pony.

The last thing you would want is a child in an ,8 week program having hysterics at the end because they feel possessive of the program horse.

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I didn’t get very far. I would have thought this was a survey on human relationships and how I related to my husband over my horse.

Although at times I can honestly say I could give him away without any difficulty and I know he would say the same about me :slight_smile:

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That’s quite an assumption! Most of us here have a very good understanding of the English language, tend to read original posts fairly thoroughly as long as they don’t ramble on the length of an essay, have many years of horse experience, and are grown-up adults many of whom have got post-secondary degrees and some of whom are researchers of various topics. Many of us are more than willing to take a few minutes to fill out surveys to help advance knowledge of our sport/hobby/lifestyle and the welfare of equines in general.

Unfortunately, the survey posted failed our collective ‘sniff test.’ Probably better to take a critical look at it rather than to accuse the survey takers of inability to understand a survey.

If you’re part of the survey generating team, I suggest you take our concerns back to the rest of the team, and work towards coming up with something more meaningful and less juvenile. Bring it back to us next year (cross posting it in the Off Course section may also generate more hits) and we’ll try to help again. We’re nice like that :slight_smile:

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I found myself neither agreeing nor disagreeing with many of the questions because they were so strange. Many of them centered around the human’s self-worth being impacted by the horse’s level of attention and affection (and loyalty…my favorite. Milton is “loyal” to the one with the feed bucket, LOL.)

Weird survey. I have to wonder if the person/people who created it have horses. And if so…do they get upset if their horses don’t love them enough? Yikes.

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To be fair, we’ve seen threads with (for example) someone upset that the horse they half-lease “loves” the other leaser more. Or that their green horse doesn’t love them enough to listen to their cues under saddle (unlike the half dead lesson horse that always jumps the fences). What do we call it on here, Black Stallion Syndrome? Clearly people think like this, somewhat.

In the context of an actual scientific study, one that is collecting data in some relation to EAL, the questions are odd. The data from this survey doesn’t seem to lend itself to any sort of practical use in the purported field - and I’ve done my fair share of studies where the point is to make the questions vague enough to minimize people throwing their results.

I’d actually love to know the focus and purpose of this research project. I’m still convinced it’s an early stage assignment on How To Make And Use A Questionnaire vs collecting real data for something, but if not I would be very interested in where this is supposed to be going.

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Ding ding ding! We have a winner. I think this survey measures how many grown-ass horse people still suffer from it. The EAL premise is a guise to dig deeply into our inner 12yo selves. Sneaky! :wink: :joy:

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FOOD. TIME. : )

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“Claw?” Like a crab claw? (They grow back.)

Maybe that was the real issue. She thought cows had claws?

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I took this last year, so I won’t take it again. But I will echo that you are targeting the wrong audience by posting on a site like COTH. My relationship with my 3 retired horses has nothing to do with EAS; I am their caretaker/owner, and they are animals. Their bond with me is mainly that they expect to be fed. I don’t really think I “bond” with them because they are animals.

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Very large land crab!

Cows have cloven hooves, each side is called a claw. When one claw is removed it would be like removing an entire hoof (bones, laminae, connective tissue, and all) of an animal that stands on one toe, like horses do.

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This just popped up in my FB feed and I thought of this thread:
(From Shelley Appleton Calm Willing Horses/2020)
Is Your Horse Your Child, Partner, Friend, Team Member………or Spiritual Healer?

Last week I created a poll to find out how horse people related to their horse and let them select from friend, team member, child, student, employee, client or “other” (which they could describe). Then I asked them to explain why they had made this selection.

The results where fascinating.

Over a third of people related to their horse as a team member (36.7%). Typical reasons for choosing this type of relationship identified the need to work together, for good communication and responsiveness from the horse. People also tended to describe how much they cared and loved their horse; however, commonly referenced the need for boundaries to establish trust and safety. Below is an example of a quote from a respondent who selected “team member”:

“Because only when we are working together are we on the same page. Doesn’t stop me loving him to bits, but we need do need this team unity along with boundaries on both sides”.

Sitting in second place was people who related to their horse as a friend (29.2%). These people tended to identified reasons such as enjoying the horse’s company and how the horse made them feel better (generally happier, less anxious etc.). People also tended to describe how the relationship was based on “equality”. These people regularly described how they loved their horse and enjoyed their company, and many considered the horse felt the same way and these sentiments where reciprocated. Below is an example of a quote from a respondent who selected “friend”:

“Friendship is about being equal. Both parties give and both receive. You love and support each other, and you work together in harmony to ensure the best for both of you. It’s about love, trust, honesty and empathy”.

Sitting in third place in the results were people that selected “other” (18.5%). These included descriptions such as “partner” (17 votes), “Horse” (8 votes), “Teacher/coach”(8 votes) and family (4 votes). Other interesting ideas include “part of me”, “a gift” and “spiritual healer”!

The people that described “partner” gave reasoning that tended to emphasize communication and partnership “roles” that needed to be taught and maintained. Those that described that they related to their horse as a “horse” highlighted their belief that we should not anthropomorphize the horse. In other words, not attribute human characteristics or behaviour to the horse. Therefore, it could not be a “friend, child, employee” etc. These people related to the horse as an equine, a species with specific characteristics that needed to be understood and respected in order to train ethically and to keep the horse mentally and physically healthy.

Those that described “teacher” described how their horse had taught them virtues such as patience and empathy but had also given them insights into their emotional selves. In doing so their horse had not only made them better with horses but had improved their lives.

Sitting in fourth place were those that related to their horse as if it was their “child” (10.7%). These people tended to emphasize the need to protect, care and nurture the horse. Whilst many described their horse as their “baby” that they loved and had bonded with, other described how they had selected “child” because they felt a responsibility similar to a parent, of preparing the horse for the human world which included nurturing and educating the horse. Here are two quotes from respondents showing this diversity of reasoning:

“He is fearful, and I help him feel less fearful”

“Because I love them unconditionally but also need to instill good manners and teach them appropriately how to behave”

Next in the results were people that described the horse as their “student” (4.3%). These people focused on the need to “teach” horses what was expected of them. They didn’t assume the horse knows or understands what is required of them unless communication and education are involved. These people tended to acknowledge that the horse is always learning from us. For example:

“I feel am always teaching my horse and helping them to learn. Helping them work through their anxiety and learn a job. And I always keep in the back of my mind I can teach them bad habits as well as good”.

Only two people related to their horse as an employee (0.7%) and no one related to their horse as a “client”. The people that related to their horse as an employee describe the horse as doing a “job” or that the relationship was transactional, for instance:

“Unfortunately, because I am getting my horse to do something, they might not be entirely willing to do but do it anyway. In return they get food, shelter, expensive rugs, floats, massages and have someone constantly worrying about them”.

It is interesting to note that several people explained why it was hard to select just one response as the way they related to their horse was complex. Here is a great explanation of this by a respondent:

“There are probably aspects of all of those options that apply to my relationship with my horses. My horses are my friends - I love just hanging out with them in the paddock & ‘catching up for a chat’. They are also like my children - it is my responsibility to discipline; instill standards and manners; to socialise them and to ‘raise’ a nice horse that can fit in; and cope with what life can throw at them. They are my students - I can teach them. But just like I can teach them they can also teach me. This is why I’ve picked ‘team member’ to best describe my horse’s relationship with me. We work together as a team to take part in all the things we both enjoy and I prefer to encourage them to do better rather than force them”.

Finally….WHY is this important? Why I am bothering to explore how people relate to their horse?

It is because people filter information about how to work with horses through a lens of how they see their horse. When we ride a horse we are requiring them to do something that is unnatural for them and that if they are not prepared physically and mentally for the task they will find it uncomfortable. The complication is that to prepare a horse physically and mentally requires the horse to learn and do unnatural things which can, at times cause discomfort! It is similar to us having to go to the gym, yoga, pilates and going for a run to get fit and strong….all these things have a degree of discomfort whilst we get stronger and fitter! Therefore, the process of getting gymnastically fit involves a degree of stress that is unavoidable but because we are human we are able to understand why we are doing it and the purpose of the discomfort. Horse’s don’t understand that gymnastic exercise is for their long-term benefit. They just get to experience what it feels like and at times, especially in the early stages or after having time off, getting fit can be stressful. This can trigger negative emotions and associated behaviour. If you relate to your horse as a child, a friend etc. how do you interpret this negativity from the horse. Do you back off to “protect” the horse from upset because you see your horse a “child”. Or do you stop because you are worried they will not “like you” as friend? How we relate to the horse has a massive impact on the decisions we make that impact the well being of the horse and its ability to feel comfortable when being ridden!

Therefore, by understanding better the different ways people relate to their horse allows two things. Firstly, it allows people to become AWARE of how they relate and how that might be impacting their actions around their horse. Secondly, it helps coaches tailor information for people’s perspectives. For instance, the “parent” will be motivated to help their horse be healthy and strong to protect them. The “friend” will be motivated to help their horse get fit so they can enjoy their time together better. Therefore, it can help in the teaching of people who can then help their horse’s more effectively!

Thank you to everyone that participated in the poll. Stay tuned for the next set of results!

Thanks again to Yvette Borthwick from Wywurrie Equine Services for the beautiful photo of Anita and Frankie from one of my clinics in Wagin <3

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Hmm. This solidifies my impulse to click past everything Shelly Appleton posts. I am not her target audience.

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:joy: no, probably not! It is interesting tho, in context of the above survey.

Yes absolutely! Maybe the researcher should send her survey to their FB group.

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It’s kind of a setup. If we are only talking about the horse you currently/actively ride, especially in competition- well obviously “partner” is the correct answer. Calling the horse your “employee” as in “it’s your job to do what I ask, and you get compensated with hay” is a bad answer.

Calling your riding horse your “child” or “client” is also a bad answer. Your trainer will easily be able to point out why those ideas result in less
good riding. (“Well, yes, we were supposed to jump, but I guess that wasn’t in his plan today, so we bailed”)

“Friend” is ok but not as good as “partner.”

For people who own other horses, or in my case retired horses, none of these apply so they all sound equally silly. I am the caretaker. They are not my friends.

I think also a lot of these kinds of articles are written from the angle of someone who only rides - in a boarding setup. That really changes things. You show up and the “work” of owning a horse is done, and now it’s time for the “partnership.” It’s a really different thing when you are also the barn manager/owner and stable hand.

(Ask me about my partnership with my horse when I’m trying to clean stalls and they break into the barn to get away from summer flies, for example) :roll_eyes::grin:

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