Definitely considering Westporte. I’ve seen numerous foals by him in the hunter world and they are all very typey. I have also heard great things about Ironman, certainly a proven stallion. Has anyone heard anything about Balt Amour, I know he’s relatively new…
Again thank you all for all the input 
Westporte is also a good choice for a more hunter type foal. My friend has one that is very quiet and really easy going for a young horse.
Cabalito also has some really nice babies on the ground. He used to stand here in Arizona and I have seen a lot. They are all really nice.
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This 
I can highly recommend two stallions that I have used with success.
Love Ironman! My Ironrose: http://www.herselffarm.com/images/Best_Clue_resized_web.jpg has lovely boning out of a TB mare, and the best temperment! I handled her myself to Gr Ch. at the Maryland State Fair in hunter breeding: http://www.herselffarm.com/images/NonTBFairChampionDSC_0018_resized.jpg
AND I rebred to Ironman for 2013. Ironman also produces Bay and Chestnut.
You should also look at Legaczy (by Alla Czar) http://www.newblessingfarm.com/Stallion.php he stamps his foals with size and terrific hunter movement http://www.herselffarm.com/images/Karat_FEH_Finals_-_Yearling.JPG. Legaczy produces Chestnut and bay too.
I am also a fan of Amazing, he is putting some very nice foals on the ground.
What about Crown Affair??
While not addressing specifically your own mare’s requirements, we can point to a successful outcome using Crown Affair on an Alla’Czar mare. La Czaritza S can be seen as a baby at http://www.sakurahillfarm.com/la-czaritza-s-crown-affair-x-alla-czar.html. The SO owner was very professional when we worked with her and I am sure that has continued at Wild Turkey Farm.
Our only wish is that he be approved with BWP to expand the range of available registries for his offspring.
What about Silvio??
Sir Caletto?
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Apiro and Cabardino comes to my mind for good jump and adding substance.
I also saw a premium Rio Grande foal this year at the OLD NA inspection in my area that was stunning. He jumped every single pole on the ground and showed beautiful gaits.[/QUOTE]
Rio Grandes are old types and don’t jump so well with their knees/there are much, much, much better types with quality hunter technique for this nice a mare.
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Rio Grandes are old types and don’t jump so well with their knees/there are much, much, much better types with quality hunter technique for this nice a mare.[/QUOTE]
I disagree with this… he may be an older type but he produces very nice horses that jump very well. He was the one of the leading hunter sire’s for 3 years in a row and even several years after his death he is still #17 on the USEF Hunter sires list for 2012.
He may not be the right match for this mare but he should not be discounted.
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I disagree with this… he may be an older type but he produces very nice horses that jump very well. He was the one of the leading hunter sire’s for 3 years in a row and even several years after his death he is still #17 on the USEF Hunter sires list for 2012.
He may not be the right match for this mare but he should not be discounted.[/QUOTE]
He jumped in very poor style. He didn’t have enough freedom in his shoulder. He did not get his knees up. Who wants to breed one like that when there are many better stallions out there. Let’s see, he is #17–maybe there are 16 stallions might be better?–
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He jumped in very poor style. He didn’t have enough freedom in his shoulder. He did not get his knees up. Who wants to breed one like that when there are many better stallions out there. Let’s see, he is #17–maybe there are 16 stallions might be better?–[/QUOTE]
Everyone has an opinon - I just choose to not agree… Stallions dont lead the USEF Hunter sires for years in a row because they produce poorly. Also with RG he had many many babies that went on to be hunters not just one or two super stars.
2007 Ranked #6 in Hunter sires
2008 Ranked #4 in Hunter sires
2009 Ranked #6 in Hunter sires
2010 Ranked #5 in Hunter sires
The four other stallions that are also ranked highly from 2007-2010 are All the Gold, Cassini I, Voltaire and Cheenook… (Alla Czar was up there several times as well)
Not bad company to keep…
Also I am not talking about how RG himself jumped - I am talking about his offspring which have done very well.
Once again - its just my opinion.
OP - back to our regularly scheduled programing - did not mean to de-rail your thread.
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Everyone has an opinon - I just choose to not agree… Stallions dont lead the USEF Hunter sires for years in a row because they produce poorly. Also with RG he had many many babies that went on to be hunters not just one or two super stars.
2007 Ranked #6 in Hunter sires
2008 Ranked #4 in Hunter sires
2009 Ranked #6 in Hunter sires
2010 Ranked #5 in Hunter sires
Also I am not talking about how RG himself jumped - I am talking about his offspring which have done very well.
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When using the USEF Leading sires list make sure you look at how many horses contributed to the sire total points. Sometimes it’s helpful to calculate an average and also to look at what divisions the offspring show in as compared to what you are breeding for.
Some stallions get on the list because there are a lot of offspring all earning low points, some get on the list because they are responsible for one superstar.
If the sire primarily has offspring on his list that are 3’ horses it can mean several things. One possibility is that’s all he produces. Another possibility is the majority ended up with Adult Ammie or Childrens Hunter clients. And the Zone divisions always earn C points while B A AA can receive 4 times ( or more) the C level points. A stallion can consistently produce excellent 3’ horses but score much lower on the list than stallions with one Int Hunter Derby star.
A little research helps when using this as a tool.
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When using the USEF Leading sires list make sure you look at how many horses contributed to the sire total points. Sometimes it’s helpful to calculate an average and also to look at what divisions the offspring show in as compared to what you are breeding for.
Some stallions get on the list because there are a lot of offspring all earning low points, some get on the list because they are responsible for one superstar.
If the sire primarily has offspring on his list that are 3’ horses it can mean several things. One possibility is that’s all he produces. Another possibility is the majority ended up with Adult Ammie or Childrens Hunter clients. And the Zone divisions always earn C points while B A AA can receive 4 times ( or more) the C level points. A stallion can consistently produce excellent 3’ horses but score much lower on the list than stallions with one Int Hunter Derby star.
A little research helps when using this as a tool.[/QUOTE]
Understood… and I have done research… unfortunately all the previous years you cant see anymore who contributed. I have looked in the past and thought it was a nice spectrum of horses.
for 2012 he has 15 offspring listed…
I didnt go through every one but here is most of them:
5 = 3 ft 3" - Handy or Performance Hunter
2 = 3 ft - Pre Green
1 = 3ft - Adult over 51
3 = 3ft 6" = Working Hunter/Adult Hunter
So glean from that what you can/want. Probably moot since this is most likely not the stallion for the OP’s horse. My only point here is that Rio Grande - with the right mare - does produce nice horses IMO.
Here is a nice article on RG that was in the Chronicle of the Horse…
http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/rio-grande-produced-flood-talent
Is the mare registered? Sounds like a US bred, so if she IS registered, don’t y’all think it would be wise to talk to the registry and see what their breeding rules are.
If she’s not registered, you are going to want to think hard about what registry you will be presenting her and the foal to, if inspection and registration are in your plan. One suspects that going to the stallion’s registry would be the simplest thing.
I noticed that the mare was Hanoverian on the top and TB on the bottom.
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Understood… and I have done research… unfortunately all the previous years you cant see anymore who contributed. I have looked in the past and thought it was a nice spectrum of horses.
for 2012 he has 15 offspring listed…
I didnt go through every one but here is most of them:
5 = 3 ft 3" - Handy or Performance Hunter
2 = 3 ft - Pre Green
1 = 3ft - Adult over 51
3 = 3ft 6" = Working Hunter/Adult Hunter
So glean from that what you can/want. Probably moot since this is most likely not the stallion for the OP’s horse. My only point here is that Rio Grande - with the right mare - does produce nice horses IMO.
Here is a nice article on RG that was in the Chronicle of the Horse…
http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/rio-grande-produced-flood-talent[/QUOTE]
My post had nothing to do with Rio Grande. It was intended to make sure readers understand what the USEF rankings are.
But if you want to go there,most of RG’s offspring on the list are 3’ horses and the average points earned are less than 700.
As a reference, a good 3’ horse needs 1000 points or more to qualify for Zone finals in Z2 which has the most shows, most horses, most exhibitors and likely the highest criteria for Zone finals qualification.
In the past there have been RG offspring that have done well at higher levels.
But the ‘look’ needed changes all the time and sometimes it moves towards a more modern horse, sometimes toward a great jump.
Nothing against RG but I don’t rely on straight placings on the USEF stallion list for decisions. Research is your friend.
The mare’s dam (which had many accolades in hunter performance) was missing a good part of her TB pedigree and thus was not presented to the Euro registries.
I do recall the woman that did the breeding that produced this mare (and the OP purchased as a foal) took her to AWS or AWR (not sure). I don’t really follow those registries.
As an aside, I found it interesting that this foal was the top foal an registered there when the stallion was never even looked at. I suppose the stallion’s pedigree and the fact that he had been GOV licensed as enough.
Whatever… this baby turned out to be a nice performance horse which is what they were after – not for resale, but just for a forever home and enjoy the bringing up, competition, for this young owner. As the owner of this mare’s stallion, that’s nice to see this mare gave them what they were seeking.
Right now, suspect the OP is looking for a match for her mare that will produce another good performance horse for herself to enjoy.
Getting the foal inspected is not a priority, it would be an added bonus though. The foal is not going to be for sale, as I’m breeding my mare simply for myself. Right now my tops are Westporte, Silvio, Apiro. I appreciate all the suggestions, keep them coming. Just because I didn’t list your stallion above, doesn’t mean there out of the running so to speak. I’m just trying to imagine the potential crosses, the resulting foal, keeping in mind what I’m looking for.
Thank you again for all the help, keep it up
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Everyone has an opinon - I just choose to not agree… Stallions dont lead the USEF Hunter sires for years in a row because they produce poorly. Also with RG he had many many babies that went on to be hunters not just one or two super stars.
2007 Ranked #6 in Hunter sires
2008 Ranked #4 in Hunter sires
2009 Ranked #6 in Hunter sires
2010 Ranked #5 in Hunter sires
The four other stallions that are also ranked highly from 2007-2010 are All the Gold, Cassini I, Voltaire and Cheenook… (Alla Czar was up there several times as well)
Not bad company to keep…
Also I am not talking about how RG himself jumped - I am talking about his offspring which have done very well.
Once again - its just my opinion.
OP - back to our regularly scheduled programing - did not mean to de-rail your thread.[/QUOTE]
So lots of people loved the 1985 Mercedes, but they don’t build them like that anymore–thank goodness. Styles change, types change–and if you are a breeder today thinking of a match for 2013 covering, you have to be breeding for the fashion 5 years from now. And RG is old style, old type–
(You are starting to sound like you are “selling” him a bit too hard–I wonder why.)
Holsteiner stallion Ralando II (Ramiro/Calando/Romino) would fit the requirements you have. He’s just been retired from the competition world and is available fresh.
A little about his career:
Ralando II competed in Germany as a young horse up to M-Level (1.3m). He was imported by Eduardo Braun as a seven year old and competed up to the Grand Prix level on the east and west coasts before becoming a schoolmaster for an adult amateur. In 2010, a change of ownership meant a change of discipline as Ralando II transitioned to the hunter world with amateur rider (now turned professional), Arly Golombek. The pair amassed top placings and championships as both a Regular Working and A/O Hunter at elite A-Circuit shows including WEF, Kentucky Spring & Summer shows, the Kentucky National, Capital Challenge, Pennsylvania National and the National Horse Show. Before retiring from competition, Ralando II was competing & winning in the Adult Amateur divisions with students of Arly’s.
Some videos of him:
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