Have you asked Charlot farms, who stood Rio Grande?
Carbardino, Vallado (Praise), Chaleon and I have seen some smaller Don Alfredo offspring. My daughter’s friend has a stunning Cabalito foal out of a Rio Grande mare but Cabi is not small and he has some big kids. Good luck with your mare 
What about Sir Caletto? He crosses well with both WB and TB mares. He will keep and improve the jump and should pretty up the head too. We just bred him to our big TB mare and have a client’s mare here by him out of a Hanoverian mare that is drop dead gorgeous with beautiful movement.
One to check out for sure. Good luck with your girl.
http://www.silverhorne.com/SirCaletto.html
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I have seen that he is for sale. Will Sandra continue to stand him while he’s for sale?[/QUOTE]
Where did you see this? I know he is leased out to a rider for the show season but I had not heard anything about him being for sale. I hope he is not, since I am breeding a mare to him this year!
I have a Wanabi due any day and a coming 3 year old by Wanabi. Best brain on this guy, he’s like a big dog - he will lick you to death! The mare is a bit like that too so it wasn’t all Wanabi, but there a lot in this area so our vets have seen quite a few Wanabi babies and we keep hearing from the vets how great his babies are to deal with. I’m sure he will refine, although if you want smaller I don’t think he’ll downsize much; I haven’t seen too many small Wanabi babies and he usual seems to add height. My guy is out of a 15.3 Han/TB mare and he is looking like he’ll finish about 16.2.
A couple of suggestions … my 16.1hh cremello TB stallion will refine your mare and add a pretty head and more elegance and lightness to the baby. If you click on my website - www.TrueColoursFarm.com - you can see a wide variety of babies out of a wide variety of mares to see what he should produce with your mare
Maggie Fullington from Marabet Farm in FL stands Bliss MF and Balt Amour and she has a Rio daughter that she has bred to one/both of her stallions - might be a good idea to see what this mare has produced to give you an idea of what your mare could also produce with one of her boys
Good luck!
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Where did you see this? I know he is leased out to a rider for the show season but I had not heard anything about him being for sale. I hope he is not, since I am breeding a mare to him this year!
I have a Wanabi due any day and a coming 3 year old by Wanabi. Best brain on this guy, he’s like a big dog - he will lick you to death! The mare is a bit like that too so it wasn’t all Wanabi, but there a lot in this area so our vets have seen quite a few Wanabi babies and we keep hearing from the vets how great his babies are to deal with. I’m sure he will refine, although if you want smaller I don’t think he’ll downsize much; I haven’t seen too many small Wanabi babies and he usual seems to add height. My guy is out of a 15.3 Han/TB mare and he is looking like he’ll finish about 16.2.[/QUOTE]
I emailed Sandra yesterday. She wrote back and stated that he is for sale, but she is still selling breedings, and the new owner (when he sells) will have to honor any breedings. She also stated she has frozen on him.
Carol Cone’s Harmony Bay…WEF winner year after year, super quiet, great mover and jumper, and looks like a big pony. I think he’s 15.3? Adorable.
Escudo II…can’t get more refined than that. I have two mares by him and they have the most beautiful heads and conformation. Not to mention the BEST characters and jump to boot!! WIN WIN
I would stay away from Sir Caletto for tall mares, he is known to throw quite tall horses.
Some of the stallions that we have considered to throw hunters with our taller, more substantial girls:
Diarado
Chaleon
Jupiter (but only on a more refined blooded mare with excellent front leg conformation)
Just the best (on a more substantial mare that lacks blood)
Contendro I (needs a blooded mare)
Escudo I (needs a blooded mare)
Stallions that I personally would stay away from with a tall big bodied mare with little blood:
Rubinstein bloodline
Rio Grande
Sir Caletto
Cabardino (needs a mare with refinement)
Popeye K
I saw it advertised on Facebook yesterday!
Re: suggestion of Balt’Amour - wouldn’t he be a bit on the big side for someone wanting to refine their mare? He always looks like a stoutly-built fellow in his photos. Or does he produce more refined?
The mare has to be refined. If I don’t have a stallion that will most certainly refine, I may end up with a draft horse.
Coconut Grove ? http://www.octoberhill.com/horses/coconut-grove-2/
Jupiter? http://www.bel-montfarm.com/jupiter
Special Memories ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydCY98nQAkE
I suspect they all need a mare like yours and hopefully it would be mutual!
Jupiter would be a great idea but only frozen, if available. He passed away not too long ago. Chaleon is a good idea. The one Don Alfredo baby I sold is 17+hh. Beautiful head, but BIG.
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A couple of suggestions … my 16.1hh cremello TB stallion will refine your mare and add a pretty head and more elegance and lightness to the baby. If you click on my website - www.TrueColoursFarm.com - you can see a wide variety of babies out of a wide variety of mares to see what he should produce with your mare
Maggie Fullington from Marabet Farm in FL stands Bliss MF and Balt Amour and she has a Rio daughter that she has bred to one/both of her stallions - might be a good idea to see what this mare has produced to give you an idea of what your mare could also produce with one of her boys
Good luck! :)[/QUOTE]
I second this idea. The foals from Maggie’s Rio Grande mare are gorgeous. She has a stallion prospect named Bragging Rights by Balt’Amour out of this mare who can really jump as well as another Balt Amour filly. The cross seems to work well. Maggie bred this mare to Chaleon and Torino also. Their pics are all on her website, Marabet Farm and Maggie is wonderful to work with.
SMH - Many of the stallions mentioned on this thread are entirely unsuitable for the OP’s mare. Some of the recommendations are downright perplexing. Even the owners/breeders of some of mentioned stallions would concur. If you’ve seen a “refined/elegant/small” offspring by one of these heavier stallions, chances are that the mare added the refinement/elegance/size.
Of the recommendations I’ve seen (and of which I am familiar), Escudo II is most likely to improve the mare in terms of size/type. Some of the TB stallions might work too (though I don’t have experience with most of them). But very few stallions can work miracles on a big, heavy old-style mare.
FWIW, I know of two people who bred really big, solid, old fashioned warmblood mares to Escudo II, and got exactly the results they were hoping for. Both foals were much lighter, much more refined, and much typier than the dams. The colt was really handsome, and the filly was downright pretty and elegant. The colt (now gelding) is starting his hunter career and seems to sure have the look (and the talent). The filly will start under saddle this year.
For an out of the box suggestion, you might also want to consider one of the smaller Sandro Hit sons. Sandro Hit is pretty reliable for refining, and although known as a dressage sire, he was bred to be a jumper. Some of his sons (Schroeder, Sure Hit, etc.) have bottom lines that also carry jumping blood. Sure Hit is maybe 16.2 on his tippy toes, and he is elegant, refined, and has a pretty darned nice hunter type jump.
If you’re thinking of using Sir Wanabi frozen, please PM me. I love my three year old by him.
I have a Sir Wanabi and an Escudo II out of the same mare, and the SW is definitely more refined. The E2 is shorter coupled and beautiful, but I think she will actually have more bone than the SW colt.
Weighing in here about Escudo II, I did extensive research (tracked down as many offspring of his as I could, looked at conformation pics and watched videos 
) before breeding my mare to him. He tends to stamp them–especially the ones with dark coats–and they do tend to be smaller and more refined (though still “substantial”), and with pretty necks and heads. There were a few bigger offspring (mostly the ones who were NOT bay!), but the majority ran very true to type, many astonishingly so! “Sample of one”: my filly by him is a carbon copy; black, typey, elegant, with a beautiful long neck and pretty pony head. Her dam is very pretty (which helps), but she is definitely daddy’s girl. She will finish about mom’s size, 15’3".
Obviously YMMV, but I think he tends to throw his size and refinement, unless the mare is HUGE! Good luck with your search
Sadly he has has passed away but there was a very refined stallion in Canada that would fit your criteria. Whirlwind (Haarlem /goodtimes).
http://www.canadianwarmbloods.com/stalliondetail.php?horseid=1000065
His offspring jump very well and many are looking to be very high quality movers and hunter prospects. It might be worth contacting his former owners to see if they have frozen. He is listed as 16 hands but I doubt he was even that tall, really quality smaller horse.
