[QUOTE=chunky munky;7201466]
Point: Should picking up the wrong lead for a step ( not all that uncommon with seasoned show horses that hear canter, and start on their own thinking they are doing the right thing) be considered a major error?[/QUOTE]
I’d consider the missed lead less of an error than the change of gait without a request from the rider.
[QUOTE=doublesstable;7201742]
^This just makes no sense at all. A horse that can jump 3’6" - 4’ with a wide spread with amazing style and an even, balanced pace to the jump I don’t see how the West was lost.
The Hunter’s at Capital Challenge are amazing, talented animals. And so are their riders.
And why they “must” perform in the ring and the couldn’t perform on uneven terrain you ask - is like saying you cannot ride my horse and would fall off.
How in the halibut would you know all hunters cannot go out in the field? Many do and many compete in derby’s as well. They look pretty darn nice to me.[/QUOTE]
I’m not intending to diminish what exists, I’m trying to understand why it exists as it does.
For example. At one point in time collars on clothing had function. Later some collars evolved to become more ornamental than functional.
That’s a concept of fashion.
If I were to try to explain fashion, I’d say that the over lapping of generations creates an environment where children will always be exposed to some facets of how thing were done in the past. As progress then makes the function of certain things obsolete, the familiarity and memory of obsolete things causes people to feel a sense of comfort, and the result is that aspects of things long obsolete remain with us as vestiges of things that once had function.
The thing is, that once these vestiges from the past lose their true functional purpose, they are then free to evolve apart from having any functional purpose. The purpose of their form can then have a purely atheistical meaning, or perhaps even some symbolic social purpose.
Riding may evolve in a similar way, changing to forms that have non-functional atheistical and social purposes. Horse’s may also be bred and changed in form to suit the needs of expressing some atheistical or social purpose.
[QUOTE=meupatdoes;7201731]
So the initiates in the SRS would learn more efficiently if they did eventing instead?[/QUOTE]
They don’t need to. They empathize.
[QUOTE=meupatdoes;7201772]
No, I’m asking you to clarify your position.
So I’ll ask again: do you think the initiates at the SRS would lern more efficiently if they did eventing instead?[/QUOTE]
If I’m not mistaken meup, I believe that hacking out is a part of the training process at the SRS.
[QUOTE=alterhorse;7201757]
No.
But I think many people may not be aware of the entirety of what may influence them to believe what they do.[/QUOTE]
Well, there’s a bunch of existential navel gazing packed into one sentence.
[QUOTE=alterhorse;7201818]
The thing is, that once these vestiges from the past lose their true functional purpose, they are then free to evolve apart from having any functional purpose. The purpose of their form can then have a purely atheistical meaning, or perhaps even some symbolic social purpose.
Riding may evolve in a similar way, changing to forms that have non-functional atheistical and social purposes. Horse’s may also be bred and changed in form to suit the needs of expressing some atheistical or social purpose.[/QUOTE]
It already has. It happened when the automobile was invented. One thing we can never do is stop progress from happening.
Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater 
Wait a minute, I’m not clear. Are we allowed to dress fashionably or are we mandating that everything we wear must be fully functional for everything that we do?
Because I’m pretty sure I shouldn’t be wearing my bathing suit in a Virginia winter. Or making a dressage horse jump a grand prix course under the tenants of horseyship.
I didn’t read everything, so it may have been said already, but how in the world do fences cause a horse to travel on the forehand? I do dressage and we have all the room in the world with no fences and I can see horses travel around on their forehands all day.
“atheistical”?? Oh, lordy…let’s not bring religion into this.
[QUOTE=alterhorse;7201671]
Then I’m making the premise that different disciplines empathize only a portion of those correct principles to accomplish the goal of the discipline.
I’m not focusing on the horse, I’m focusing on the knowledge.
Under this concept the Spanish Riding School is only empathizing the portion of the complete set of principles inherent to their discipline… Training and riding Lipizzans.[/QUOTE]
So if I’m understanding this correctly, last spring at Devon when those hunter/jumper riders rode around on the saddlebreds, they were EMPATHIZING more than riders of other disciplines because they they were empathizing a portion of a complete set of principles inherent to ANOTHER discipline other than their own. Do I have that right?
[QUOTE=meupatdoes;7201673]
If you check out the posting history on that one you will discover that is one long lasting hit. Kine bud x 100.[/QUOTE]
The brown acid from Woodstock wouldn’t even explain this display of nonsense.
[QUOTE=Trixie;7201835]
Wait a minute, I’m not clear. Are we allowed to dress fashionably or are we mandating that everything we wear must be fully functional for everything that we do?
Because I’m pretty sure I shouldn’t be wearing my bathing suit in a Virginia winter. Or making a dressage horse jump a grand prix course under the tenants of horseyship.[/QUOTE]
We are examining why things change, and speculating if the knowledge about the thing may degrade in some way, when the functionality evolves out of the thing that is changing.
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/342/296/b34.jpg
This is a good summary of where this topic has gone…
[QUOTE=ynl063w;7201885]
So if I’m understanding this correctly, last spring at Devon when those hunter/jumper riders rode around on the saddlebreds, they were EMPATHIZING more than riders of other disciplines because they they were empathizing a portion of a complete set of principles inherent to ANOTHER discipline other than their own. Do I have that right?[/QUOTE]
I was not there, so I can’t say.
That didn’t answer my question. Am I allowed to wear things that aren’t fully functional? Because I think my job might protest if I showed up in all my most true “functional” clothing.
I think there’s a thesaurus somewhere that just got raped repeatedly.
This is kind of how I feel after the last two pages of this thread:
http://i.imgur.com/LrQ7BrQ.gif
[QUOTE=Ghazzu;7201789]
“Leisurely” is one of the last words I’d use to describe actual foxhunting…[/QUOTE]
I describe it as the most fun near-death experience you’ll ever have on horseback.
Just to make it very simple. From the rule book regarding the hunter under saddle: LIGHT CONTACT IS REQUIRED. When riders drop the reins, they should be eliminated by the way I read the rule book. Secondly “They should not be eliminated for slight errors.”
And lastly: “Horses should be OBEDIENT, ALERT, RESPONSIVE AND MOVE FREELY.” So can a horse that does all that and make a minor error be eliminated by the rules of the the USEF rule book? Just looking at the rules and what we award the winners.
[QUOTE=alterhorse;7201828]
If I’m not mistaken meup, I believe that hacking out is a part of the training process at the SRS.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t ask about “hacking out”, I asked whether you think the initiates at the SRS uld learn more efficiently if they practiced eventing. You know, jumping across uneven terrain and water obstacles and all that.
Do you think a lippizaner could have the same quality one tempis through a water obstacle?
And additionally I am curious to know where this Viennese hacking out is apparently happening. Around the Kaerntner Ring? In front of the Hotel Sacher? Past the opera house?
[QUOTE=alterhorse;7201908]
I was not there, so I can’t say.[/QUOTE]
You weren’t there for a lot of the sh*t you are saying forth about on this thread and yet here we are.
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