I am a horrible person for not being shocked and appalled by this video?

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8233558]
where do you get these leaps of illogic?

Such as because I speak of factory farming, which is a specific area of corporate owned agriculture, that constitutes an insult to to anyone who raises and cares for their animals?[/QUOTE]

Oye veh, isn’t that PETA propaganda, nearly down to the exact words?

But it jives with your stands on poor people and their pets…

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and yes, if they disagree, they are ‘crazy’ or ‘illogical’

Gaslighting does not work well in the electronic era.

I don’t want to dictate wholesale to others what they should do. (, a crazy assumption as if anyone would listen to me )

I am against inhumane treatment of farm animals as many are. Why you think that means I want to dictate to everyone how they treat their animals I have no idea.

If you think people’s “right” to care for their animals include inhumane treatment so be it. Don’t cover for that with lashing out at me but nice try!

I find it incredulous you find more mistreatment by do gooders. Please contrast the photos of pigs kept in a farm sanctuary or farm where they are allowed to root about in a pen (humanely treated by a “do gooder” ) and the pigs crowded into cages only as large as their body kept indoors in factory farming.

Please post all your photos and evidence of mistreated animals you claim are owned by “do gooders”.

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8233558]
where do you get these leaps of illogic?

Such as because I speak of factory farming, which is a specific area of corporate owned agriculture, that constitutes an insult to to anyone who raises and cares for their animals?[/QUOTE]

There you go again, throwing around “factory farming” without really have a working definition of that term that fits the real world, just some sound bite heard somewhere and imagining a whole strange industry around those words.

Animal agriculture is an industry that has always changed with whatever is working best.
We don’t care for our animals like we did even some decades ago and keep finding better and better ways to do so, many and different ones, all fit with what we want to do and that our animals are properly taken care of, for the animals they are.

You are welcome to your perceptions, but if you think a bit past them, maybe you can start to understand why they are just not what you think.

We had these discussion many times before.
Will leave it at this, saying that maybe if you consider that other ways are not the evil you keep hearing is and learn about them you will understand better.

I am only going to address a few more posts of this hostile craziness with zero logic behind them from the same few people.

.Alagirl, post a link and quote to any of my posts that talks about poor people and their animals. I have no idea where you are getting that from but it has nothing to do with me ( maybe I am poor ever thought of that?)

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like I said, backtracking is really very difficult in the electronic age, you ARE on record wanting to legislate and punish ‘a-hole’ pet owners into submission.

why should one believe any different of you in this instance.

Oh, and like in the case of pet over population, you have no clue here either…

Your posts reek of PETA rhetoric.

ah, can’t fight the argument, we are back to personal insults…
YOU LOSE!

I am not imagining the thousands of corporate owned farms and the actual conditions. Read up about it yourself, if you are ignorant of it that is not my issue.

I am done with this thread because the same few who seem to have unlimited time on their hands keep posting with no intention of exhaling ideas or views but a pattern of hurling false accusations backed up by nothing more than ignorance and aggressive attitude.

I don’t lose, I don’t want to waste any more time engaging on this have better things to do with my weekend . Bye.

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8233566]
I don’t want to dictate wholesale to others what they should do. (, a crazy assumption as if anyone would listen to me )

I am against inhumane treatment of farm animals as many are. Why you think that means I want to dictate to everyone how they treat their animals I have no idea.

If you think people’s “right” to care for their animals include inhumane treatment so be it. Don’t cover for that with lashing out at me but nice try!

I find it incredulous you find more mistreatment by do gooders. Please contrast the photos of pigs kept in a farm sanctuary or farm where they are allowed to root about in a pen (humanely treated by a “do gooder” ) and the pigs crowded into cages only as large as their body kept indoors in factory farming.

Please post all your photos and evidence of mistreated animals you claim are owned by “do gooders”.[/QUOTE]

Right out of animal rights extremist propaganda, yes, those that, as their ultimate goal, if you realize it or not, will take your animals away from you too, no special dispensation for following their bandwagons.

Pigs in a farm sanctuary?
Why not, really, if some feel like giving pigs retirement pensions and social security and medicare, so appropriate for pigs, being the fine animals they are, right?

bye, have nice weekend not going to go back and forth on it anymore, enjoy the weekend

[QUOTE=caffeinated;8231317]
Pretty unlikely, the horses sent live to Japan are raised to pretty exacting standards, from what I understand, and were bred for the purpose.

I wasn’t particularly enraged about that video either, but my problems with slaughter are largely around the conditions of shipping and sales and people obtaining horses under false pretenses, etc. The horses shown in the video are not horses that went through that (at least, based on what I know about that end of the industry).[/QUOTE]

This…

Have you seen the damage that pigs do to the environment? Have you walked through a hog confinement operation? My guess is No you have not. Your only exposure is pictures on the internet and the rhetoric that goes with them. You probably won’t believe a hog farmer anyway…
Countrywood, You are parroting what the anti farming faction wants you to say.
Intensive animal agriculture is not evil corporations with their “factory farms” it is proven scientific humane treatment of animals on family farms.

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8233581]
I don’t lose, I don’t want to waste any more time engaging on this have better things to do with my weekend . Bye.[/QUOTE]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

yet you are still here.

I always find it astounding when someone without any hands-on experience will tell others to “read up” on a subject to people with personal experience in that subject.

*Note: if someone wants factual information on a subject and is unable or unwilling to leave the house and do hands-on research for information…the internet can be used for a bare outline of information IF they use proven sites as opposed to blogs or biased anti-sites. Look for .gov sites, .edu sites, etc.
Granted, the pages won’t be colorful, use fun fonts, have tons of graphics and photos and the wording will be facts laid out as opposed to stories and hyperbole. But at least the information they contain will be valid.

[QUOTE=MistyBlue;8233696]
I always find it astounding when someone without any hands-on experience will tell others to “read up” on a subject to people with personal experience in that subject.

*Note: if someone wants factual information on a subject and is unable or unwilling to leave the house and do hands-on research for information…the internet can be used for a bare outline of information IF they use proven sites as opposed to blogs or biased anti-sites. Look for .gov sites, .edu sites, etc.
Granted, the pages won’t be colorful, use fun fonts, have tons of graphics and photos and the wording will be facts laid out as opposed to stories and hyperbole. But at least the information they contain will be valid.[/QUOTE]

I am outraged at your post.

I shall hog The Bench, Guac, Saddle and Trailer!

Well, that escalated quickly…

I popped in to type a response, but I think I will just do this instead.

[QUOTE=Bluey;8232771]
The trouble here is that the ones driving the opposition to slaughter are doing it because slaughter, by it’s nature, is the low hanging fruit in their effort to eliminate all uses of animals by humans.
Those are the animal rights extremist groups, with their millions and propaganda and lobbying against it and the hordes following them blindly, not realizing where their support is taking them, as they are in the end supporting those that want to make all animals off hands to humans, eventually.

You say this and that you don’t like about slaughter, not slaughter itself, that is like any other process, as well managed or not as any other process we may have.

So, the solution is to work at making those parts of the process that are not up to par better, not to, as anti-slaughter propaganda wants, following animal rights extremists agendas, ban slaughter altogether.

Those are important differences, that animal rights extremists love to muddle, so they get followers.[/QUOTE]
You couldn’t be more wrong. People like nick zito, oppose it and he hardly wants to see animal ownership ended much less horse ownership. Most people that are against the
Aughter of horses are that way because of the whole process, from lying kill buyers pretending to promise a god home, to auction conditions, transport conditions, feedlot conditions, and the fast paced slaughter process that has a high miss rate. In addition, the forged paperwork, illegal meds used in horses that are slaughtered, lack of testing of horses for banned meds, and failure to track stolen horses also play in to it.
There is no one on this board against horse slaughter that wants animal ownership to end.

Dogs, cats, birds and goldfish are pets. They live with us in our homes and in the case of dogs interact with us on an unbelievable level.

As much as we love our horses they are not pets. I have no desire to eat a horse, snakes, squirrels, goat ( i raise meat goats) but don’t condemn those who do and believe that the slaughter and consumption of all animals is up to the eater. Just do it humanely please.

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8233566]
I don’t want to dictate wholesale to others what they should do. (, a crazy assumption as if anyone would listen to me )

I am against inhumane treatment of farm animals as many are. Why you think that means I want to dictate to everyone how they treat their animals I have no idea.

If you think people’s “right” to care for their animals include inhumane treatment so be it. Don’t cover for that with lashing out at me but nice try!

I find it incredulous you find more mistreatment by do gooders. Please contrast the photos of pigs kept in a farm sanctuary or farm where they are allowed to root about in a pen (humanely treated by a “do gooder” ) and the pigs crowded into cages only as large as their body kept indoors in factory farming.

Please post all your photos and evidence of mistreated animals you claim are owned by “do gooders”.[/QUOTE]

My husband and I returned home a year ago and took control of our family " factory hog farm". We are in the nursery phase -weaning to 40 pounds. It is going industry wide that farrowing crates are no longer going to be used and in fact who we contract with— they have gone to group farrowing with excellent results.

I won’t waste my time because you wouldn’t listen anyways. While not everyones idea of how animals should be raised, it is in no way inhumane. Right now it is 95 degrees out and our pigs have fans circulating the air and the sides of the barns are lowered to allow fresh air, light and ventilation . Are they hot? Yes, and they would be hot in the great outdoors too.

It is a way that the farmer of today can actually make a somewhat decent living and raise quality food to feed not only our country but others.

Amen. I am right there with you.
Sheilah