I don't understand "retirement" farms...

To me, a “retirement” facility is one where you send in the horse, pay a large fee upfront (several thousands of dollars usually), sign over the horse, and leave for good. They pull the shoes, provide care, and the horse is retired. The situations where the vast majority of posters here are talking about are where they retain custody, and pay a monthly boarding fee for their horses to remain there. To me that is not a retirement facility, it is a boarding facility, regardless of its ammenities, or lack or them.

Many, many elderly or out of work horses live in such facilities, and frankly, I can’t understand why someone who didn’t own a particular horse in such a facility would have a problem with someone who did. Or why they take it upon themselves to think it is their business to care in the first place. Or why they would care, other than to deliberately start a ‘discussion’. If the retirement or boarding facility is a good one, the horse’s needs are truly being met, and the owner feels his or her responsibility is met by keeping up with the board, vet and farrier care and providing everything the horse physically needs, then I say congratulations to that horse for having an owner who is willing to keep footing the bill for its comfort, and has no expectations of deriving any comfort or enjoyment for themselves from said horse in the process. Who in the world would have a problem with that??? :eek: Me thinks this thread is more about baiting than it is about getting answers.

To me, it’s all about the horse first, so if the horse’s needs are better met in a better facility than in the place he or she is now in, then that’s the place the horse belongs in. As for the thought that a large facility couldn’t possible give the horse the care the owner could, well, that depends on the facility. One would hope the owner did his or her homework before sending the horse there to begin with. To assert that the BO of a good, large facility could not possibly care for the horse as well as the owner, or know it over time as well as the owner, and that it could never be cared for as well by anyone else besides the owner reflects an enormous amount of hubris on the owners part, and a real disrespect to BO’s who go out of their way to provide good care for retired horses. The horse knows who feeds it, and that is number one in establishing any person in the horse’s own pecking order, as it is dependant on that person for its survival. The old saying that the guy who feeds the horse owns the horse has more than a kernal of truth in it, even if the owners can’t bring themselves to admit it. There are a lot of happy horses in boarding and retirement situations who happily come to the person who feeds at feeding time, and completely ignore the other humans around, even including the owner who visits once in a while once their daily involvement with the horse has come to an end. And many of these BO’s provide excellent care 24/7 for these horses. So owners really need to understand this, and come to terms with the fact that once they are out of the picture, the guy who cares for the horse comes up in the horse’s pecking order, and often will be favored by the horse who is driven by the need to get food and water from him. Nametags are irrelevant.

I’ve found, over the course of time, that there are two types of owners on each side of the fence here. Those who feel that once somthing is theirs to own it is theirs forever, and those who don’t have a problem letting go of things in their lives. The latter are moer likely to sell a horse that isn’t working out for them, or retire one once it is no longer useful to them withut turning themselves inside out with angst over the whole thing. The former are more likely to claim they don’t understand it, when really they do. They just don’t like it.

[quote=Auventera Two;4390430]
Well, rock on people. But I could not dump my horse at a “retirement farm” and walk away

I think my gelding would be quite thrilled if I dropped him off at this equine retirement facility nearby with their lush pastures and clearly well cared for residents.
http://www.mitchellfarm.org/index.html

I have SEEN a retirement facility up close and personal and was NOT impressed. Horses were dirty, thin, and living in fields with run-in shelters and round bales.

oh for gods sake. I’ve seen boarding barns and horses living in one’s backyard that meet this description as well. Does that mean everyone that has a horse keeps them in shoddy condition?

My horses are accustomed to daily grooming, treats, one-on-one time, and you’re wrong if you think they don’t care about those things. If I am working long hours and my horses get stuck in the rain or their dinner is late, or they don’t get their scratches and chin rubs, they’re very clearly annoyed by it.

Yup my horse is accustomed to those things too but yet he seemed to transition to boarding seamlessly. I had him at home for 4 years and believe me there were days he didn’t get dinner until 8pm or he stood out in the rain for a few hours without his rain sheet on because I was working. Now that he’s boarded he gets fed promptly at 6am and 4:30, has the company of other horses at the barn, the barn mucker feeds him apples and gives him scratches and there is a full time barn manager there all day long keeping a keen eye on everyone when I ordinarily would be at work. He still gets to see me everyday and gets lots of treats/grooming. In fact I have more time to pamper him now then I did when he was at home.

Eh, it’s a waste of typing to try to talk sense to a zealot. :winkgrin: I could see certain folks having a fit over the idea of someone else missing health problems in their horses if they can never seem to recognize them either…and even with help from suggestions on BBs.

Herd animals rarely mourn the loss of a herdmate…not for long. Nature set them up that way since their friends and family are basically walking food sources for other animals and were that way for millenia. A paltry few years of domestication (as compared to millenia) haven’t changed that. If a herd mate gets eaten and the others mourn for more than a short time, they risk going extinct due to lessened alertness from grieving. The Black Stallion and books are all good fun entertainment…but it ain’t reality as much as each of us want to believe our horses love only us and only ever will.

A good horse owner acclimates their animals to accept and be comfie around varied other folks and in other locations. Herd animals are by nature somewhat nervous…it’s better for them to be better socialized around other people and to other places. Even if they stay with you for life, who wants to subject their horse to emotional torture just by going for a pee? :rolleyes:

Buddy…a good retirement farm is wonderful. And as with any type of barn, thre are also sucky ones and ones in the middle too.

Chief–

Contrary to your apparent belief, I was neither intending to stir the pot nor make myself out to be some martyr of horseydom. I was merely asking a question.

It WAS for the sake of discussion as I’m truly interested in the topic. I’m not in a position at this time to need a facility for retirement, and I hope I won’t need it in the future because I would like to keep my oldies close til the end.

I do get the impression from some that once a horse is no longer serviceable, they’ll happily hand it off to someone else for the last few years with little follow up because after all…they’re RIDERS and if it can’t be ridden, it’s not so much worth it.

What I LEARNED from this post is that there are a lot of folks who fork out big bucks to ensure a situation that is better than what they could provide otherwise…in the best interest of the horse. They DON’T dump, and they DO have the best interest of their horses at heart.

As well, there appear to be facilities manned by people who know what they’re doing and like the oldies…

That’s not what I see around HERE. And that is why I asked the question. Because around here, retirement seems to be an out of sight, out of mind situation where horses typically end up in a bad spot through no fault of their own.

But, I’ve learned about a lot of different perspectives here which was the point.

Hmmm Buddyroo…if there isn’t a facility for good retirement anywhere near yoou, then it sounds like there’s a market niche that could be filled.

Hint hint, nudge, nudge. :winkgrin:

Yes well, the business plan has been written up and I do have a possible financier…but I was really hoping to just win the lotto. In fact, I talked to said financier this a.m. It’s on my list.

This is my personal bugaboo – look on the Giveaways and you’ll see people saying their horse needs to be retired, so they want to hand it off to someone else. I just don’t understand why they think someone ELSE wants to pay for their retired horse!!

(I do understand that you can try for that companion home, but those are so few and far between that success isn’t likely).

BuddyRoo, are you serious about opening a Retirement facility??

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This is my personal bugaboo – look on the Giveaways and you’ll see people saying their horse needs to be retired, so they want to hand it off to someone else. I just don’t understand why they think someone ELSE wants to pay for their retired horse!!

(I do understand that you can try for that companion home, but those are so few and far between that success isn’t likely).[/QUOTE]

I think there is a niche for the older, BTDT mostly-retired horse who can maybe do a few quiet trail rides now and then, etc. They tend to make good husband horses or might be great for someone just starting out their riding career, or an older person who just wants things nice and slow.

I wouldn’t think twice about selling/giving away an older horse to that type of situation.

Everyone deserves to have the right horse.

[QUOTE=SMF11;4391843]
This is my personal bugaboo – look on the Giveaways and you’ll see people saying their horse needs to be retired, so they want to hand it off to someone else. I just don’t understand why they think someone ELSE wants to pay for their retired horse!!

(I do understand that you can try for that companion home, but those are so few and far between that success isn’t likely).

BuddyRoo, are you serious about opening a Retirement facility??[/QUOTE]

I want to believe in sunshine and roses and hope that this is the goal of most of the owners and not that they just don’t want to pay for retirement. After all there are other puff lovers like me out there :lol:

I am writing this email with sadness in my heart. Unfortunately, we need to find a home for our horse, XXXX. XXXX was given to us 4 years ago. He has had a very fulfilling past 4 years teaching a few special people what it means for a horse to be your best friend. We retired him when his right hock started to give him a little grief. He is in his 20’s.

He has been hanging out with some other “old guys” in the field for 2 years now. Even though our time with him has been short we feel that he deserves the best retirement possible. I have known him for about 10 years (actually competed against him as a junior) and know what a good teacher he was for so many other people as well.

So, we are looking to place him in a very special home. He gets along with all horses and would be a great addition for someone needing a companion horse.

Please let me know if you are interested in speaking with me further.


The above is on Giveaways right now. These people want “the best retirement possible” but they aren’t willing to give it to him!

There is nothing wrong with putting the word out and trying to find that companion home, but in my experience there are about 10 (or maybe 100!) companion horses for every companion home.

I just get annoyed when people write about what a wonderful horse they have, who’s given them and others years of fabulous riding, and now he needs to be taken care of but they don’t want to do it.

I was miffed when I first read this. Ive been paying retirement for two, for 14 yrs. They 3 hrs away now becuz thats where I can afford it and where they herd turnout in a 30 acre field. I visit 3 times in summer or when I get a mental hit that something is wrong.
I was trying to pinpoint why this question peeved me, then I got the anology.
Try posting this question on a parenting board:
‘I just dont get daycare’
If you make it out alive, tell us how it went.
:wink:

P.S. If you are really thinking of running a retirement place prepare for this: people come, pay for 3 months, then your bill gets returned ‘no such address’. People will dump their horses at your place.
Seen it at two places where I stayed.
So you should be prepared to handle that situation (rehome, auction, put down) because its going to happen.

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I thought about that, too.

I also thought about the fact that I work very hard to make sure my horses - and my children - are emotionally stable. I want to be able to take my horses somewhere and them not have a breakdown. I want my kids to be able to go to school and have a good time, not be crying and upset that they’ve been left alone.

Maybe it is true, that you get back exactly what you emote. I expect my horses and kids to be confident and happy. If you expect your kids and horses to be emotionally unstable and needy, that is what you get. Hmmmm.

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I was trying to pinpoint why this question peeved me, then I got the anology. Try posting this question on a parenting board:
‘I just dont get daycare’ If you make it out alive, tell us how it went.;)[/QUOTE]

:lol: Unfair comparison - horse owners are nowhere near as crazy as parents. I see the OP’s point, though. It’s inherently precarious to have a helpless dependent relying on the kindness of strangers. I’m not trying to bash retirement farms or all those who care for others’ animals, just saying that the safest situation is one where the person with the strongest legal and social ties is able to oversee care constantly. Nobody has as much natural, instinctive imperative to insure the well-being of any living creature like it’s own family. (That’s not to say that ‘family’ is automatically caring, just that when a good family member and a good friend both come to visit you in the hospital, the friend tends to leave first. Different relationship.)

Would this be why so many seniors are cared for by their children? :lol:

:yes::yes::yes: EqTrainer, you have been spot on with all your comments!

Around here, “Retirement Farm” is not a dirty word at all. We have Ryers. People put their youngish horses on the list for this place, much like the some ambitious parents put their infants on the wait list for the “right” pre-school. :wink: http://www.ryerssfarm.org/

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Would this be why so many seniors are cared for by their children? :lol:[/QUOTE]

Many seniors are cared for by their adult children; very few are cared for by their friends. Elder care is a great comparison, though, and better than childcare in that public opinion, law enforcement, and politicians react very aggressively to even the suggestion of child abuse/neglect, but tend to be sluggish to respond to possible abuse/neglect of the elderly and of animals. In both cases, a family member - ie, a person with a strong legal relationship to the dependent - around to oversee care makes a huge difference in the quality of that care.

[QUOTE=EqTrainer;4392183]
I thought about that, too.

I also thought about the fact that I work very hard to make sure my horses - and my children - are emotionally stable. I want to be able to take my horses somewhere and them not have a breakdown. I want my kids to be able to go to school and have a good time, not be crying and upset that they’ve been left alone.

Maybe it is true, that you get back exactly what you emote. I expect my horses and kids to be confident and happy. If you expect your kids and horses to be emotionally unstable and needy, that is what you get. Hmmmm.[/QUOTE]

Amen! When I visited my gelding of 13 years, Jake, he honestly didn’t bat an eye. He was being ridden and worked. After, I scritched his jaws and he went off for a bath. My other gelding, Chip, who was strongly bonded to Jake for the past 3 years- who I expected would holler when he saw him after 2 weeks apart, said nothing. Stood tied like a good soldier to the trailer, no biggie. We did our lesson, all was fine. They are good citizens of the world, no one was freaking out over where I was. OK Chippy didn’t like his canter departure work, but I digress :yes: I love them to bits, I am ‘bonded’ whatever hooey that means, I cherish them. They, in turn, trust me and are happy enough to see me. Would they rescue me from a barn fire, plunging in to drag me out by my hair? Hardly. Ok maybe if I had a bucket of feed or something. I can go on vacation and know they’ll be FINE. Fat and sassy and fine. God forbid they get supper late, or if it’s nasty enough not at all- since they are on good grass. Seriously, call the LAW and yesterday!!

Sometimes, honestly, it’s affirming to be rejected by a zealot. Means all is right with the world :slight_smile:

My situation is a bit reversed, but is still somewhat relative. Due to numerous back surgeries and resulting complications, I haven’t been able to ride for the last seven years. Oh, once in a while I would be able to get on and walk or trot my mare around, but nothing compared to the type of work she was used to or needed (hot OTTB). She came into my life when she had just turned 8, she turned 18 this past spring, and still acts like she’s 4! We had three wonderful years of bonding, riding, and showing together before my riding career was cut short. I live in the city, there is no way I could keep her any closer to me than she is right now. The thought of selling her, when it became apparent that I could no longer ride and was feeling sorry for myself, briefly entered my mind, and my husband talked me out of it. She is my responsibility as long as she is drawing breath. When I’m feeling good, I can make the two hour round trip drive to where she is boarded and visit with her.

Other than an injury several years ago which required a lengthy layup, she is the picture of health. Both before and again after recovering from her injury, she has been shown yearly by competent riders who had need of a wonderful horse. I get regular calls from my BO, updating me with funny stories of what she did during the past week. While she is (hopefully) far from retirement, my presence in her life is very limited. I spare no expense to ensure that she has everything she needs, and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that she is extremely well cared for.

Looking to the future, I have contacted several members of this forum who operate retirement facilities, and when the time comes, I can say with absolute certainty that I would trust them 100% to continue to give her the care she deserves when her riding and showing days are over. Right now, however, I pay full board to allow someone else to ride and show her if they desire, and I think it keeps both of us happy.

It isn’t always the horse’s physical condition that requires a change in environments. I’m hopeful that one day I will be able to get back on her, but until then, I am ensuring that she has the best life she possible can (and other than the treats, I don’t think she minds that I only see her every 3 or 4 months).

Sorry, didn’t mean to disappear.

Anyway…yes I most definitely intend to at some point down the road have a retirement farm, but not the cool kind you guys have been talking about where people pay for it, because I don’t think that’s sustainable in this market (in my area).

With regards to the business plan I mentioned, said financier is really looking for a way to lose some money. LOL We have had conversations over the years regarding a boarding/training facility. My big ick on the financing piece is that I’m not real inclined to factor in a non-horsey partner who could withdraw funding. Blah blah business stuff. So more than likely, this is not something that could happen on a larger scale for another 10-15 years o my own or until I win the lotto.

But I do like the oldies. It’s just that my exposure to “retirement” has been, up til this point, largely dumped horses.

Once again, it was an honest question for discussion and I certainly didn’t mean to imply that those of you who have researched and found a legitimate retirement farm are uncaring or dumped your horses. Clearly you didn’t. You’re still paying the bills, the horse is still being cared for, etc etc etc.