ICE Raid At Delta Downs

[lazaret]

You are in fact and in finding reading the law incorrectly.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

(b)Improper time or place; civil penalties Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—

(1)

at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or

(2)

twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.

Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

but unless their papers are falsified, they have not committed anything other than a violation of 1325, which is punishable by a nice hefty $50 - $250 fine. You can see what constitutes an actual immigration related crime under 18 US Code Chapter 69, conveniently linked here for your reference: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-69 note also that none of the provisions of 8 USC 1325 provide for deportation proceedings as a remedy.

Instead the US Government is attempting to use antiterrorism provisions 18 USC 1226a, which still require that you place a “suspected alien” in either removal proceedings or charge them with an actual crime within 7 days of detention or the government must release the alien

anyway, I realize I am climbing up a greased flagpole here. tl;dr version: the media has spread a narrative that these are ‘criminal aliens’ when there is in fact no such thing and Congress has repeatedly refused to codify such a thing into law.

[millerra]

@Bopper

If you don’t think the criminal aspect is a problem, then maybe try talking to the family of a victim of an illegal immigrant criminal

Why don’t you talk to the families of the MN legislators who were gunned down by the criminal aspect of US citizenry disguised as a police officer.

Criminality is a problem - documented, undocumented or US citizen. Maybe focus on crime rather than immigrants, no?

[beowulf]

Do those who are shaming humans for being “illegal” understand how prohibitively costly it is to even become a citizen in the United States?

Y’all are lucky your great-grandparents could get in for free.

[lazaret]

If all the rapists and murderers are now applying for all the job vacancies in the food plants and farm fields that the deportees have vacated, a very simple logical conclusion is that we have not deported any of them and in fact have now created job openings for them.

[Sdel]

I’m perfectly happy to start with anyone who is using a SSN that doesn’t belong to them. There should be a healthy database of them and their employers already.

Identity theft and possible defrauding the Us gov’t for benefits is a crime.

[Laurierace]

Congratulations, you are officially on the wrong side of history

[Ghazzu]

@Bopper

How do you weed out dangerous criminals without arresting large numbers and just sifting through them?

When the authroities were searching for the Minnesota assassin, should they have done a sweep of the neighborhood and arrested everyone they found and then just “sift” through them?

I swear, some of you here sound like you’d take a job with the Sturmabteilung.

[Ghazzu]

@Sdel

Identity theft and possible defrauding the Us gov’t for benefits is a crime.

ID theft is a crime, but theey’re not using the SSN to obtain benefits, but to fake legitimate emplyoment credentials.

[enjoytheride]

@Bopper

Not all illegal immigrants are criminals, but some are and they need to be removed. How do you weed out dangerous criminals without arresting large numbers and just sifting through them?

So why can’t the police just barricade the doors in say… a Walmart…detain everyone, and sift through all the shoppers until they have found anyone who’s a criminal? Or maybe they could just detain all the black shoppers.

Do we have laws against this? It would be an effective way of catching criminals from murderers to people with unpaid parking tickets. At most the Walmart shoppers would be detained in a holding facility for a few days. A small price to pay for cleaning the area of criminals.

ICE has on multiple occasions rounded up US citizens because they are brown and held them for 24 hours or more because they did not have documentation, or expected to have certain rights as Americans. Do US citizens have rights when rounded up in mass immigration raids?

[nutmeg]

What a shame the bipartisan border bill introduced in the summer of 2024 failed to pass. It would have beefed up border security and increased the number of immigration judges to speed up processing the backlog of applications. How could such a thoughtful, comprehensive, BIPARTISAN piece of legislation fail to pass?
Oh…

[Annie10]

@lazaret

@Bopper

But ICE still has to do its job and cannot risk the loss of a suspected illegal immigrant.

Why?

What has changed about the situation now versus say, six months ago where now there is some catastrophic risk to the State that was somehow completely unnoticed before?

Your neighborhood attorney here to remind everyone that presence in the US without immigration documentation is a civil offense. It is punishable by a fine by Federal law as well as an extensive civil removal procedure.

You only get a felony if you come back after already being formally deported via civil removal procedure. Everyone in these photos being arrested is not guilty of a crime by very definition of the law.

Isn’t being here illegally in itself a crime? I thought that was the definition of illegal.

[lazaret]

Short answer: no.

“Unlawful presence” is not a crime, because “unlawful” does not mean “illegal”. Illegal entry MAY be a crime, but it is only a crime at the time of entry. You are not continuing to commit a crime after the entry simply by being here, you are accumulating unlawful presence. Also, most of the people everyone is calling “illegals” are taxpaying lawful residents who do not have permanent residency status or people who have overstayed a valid visa. They did not enter illegally.

Those who are accumulating unlawful presence are entitled under the Immigration and Naturalization act to apply for entry. You are only permanently inadmissible for entry if you accumulated lawful presence, left the country, and then reentered the country again without entry by an immigration officer.

Again, greased flagpole. Don’t believe everything you see on Fox News.

[jvanrens]

@snaffle1987

They are legitimate arrests of illegal peoples. Being an illegal in this country is a crime and it is punishable under law. Being an undocumented individual is a civil violation under the law. But unauthorized entry and/or re-entry to the country is a criminal offense under US Code 8 U.S.C 1325. This includes entering the country at a time or place not designated by officials or making false statements during entry.

So you know for a fact that all the people that were arrested were in the US illegally? Because ICE hasn’t ever detained anyone who had the paperwork in place (did everything legally) before?

[smoofox]

@enjoytheride

As Snaffle has stated multiple times, all illegal immigrants are bad and must be deported, and ICE for the most part seems to have this same idea. ICE doesn’t let illegal immigrants who haven’t committed any crimes once in the US go with a warning. Nobody is going to argue that people who are criminals should get to stay in the US, but you can’t ignore that the vast majority of crimes are committed by people born and bred in the US.

Exactly right.

@lazaret

You are in fact and in finding reading the law incorrectly.

Shocking. /s
People seem to believe what is spewed by politicians and talking heads as opposed to what laws actually are… or what the Constitution actually says…

@beowulf

Do those who are shaming humans for being “illegal” understand how prohibitively costly it is to even become a citizen in the United States?

Or how long it takes? Or the insults and sneers that most border officers seem to love to throw at you? Or the endless flaming hoops you need to jump through? I have endless firsthand experience of all of the above. But again, facts do not matter - just the spewage designed to outrage and light the fires…

@nutmeg

What a shame the bipartisan border bill introduced in the summer of 2024 failed to pass. It would have beefed up border security and increased the number of immigration judges to speed up processing the backlog of applications. How could such a thoughtful, comprehensive, BIPARTISAN piece of legislation fail to pass?
Oh…

Well, let’s start at the beginning and … oops. Nope. Cannot do that. Discussing the failure of thoughtful BIPARTISAN deals will just lead down the rabbit hole. Plus, we all know why.

I always sigh in such discussions when it is obvious who has rarely - if ever - been on the backside and actually has a clue about the day to day work, responsibilities and long hours involved. Extra hard when one has to fit all that work in amongst all the nefarious evil criminal activities that one is allegedly involved in… /s

As far as SS cards/numbers go… you are issued one so you can work here on a work visa (and it is flagged as temporary) - but you are not entitled to any of the benefits unless you wind up getting a green card and then becoming a citizen. So no, “illegal aliens” cannot collect SS. Or vote. But there I go - hovering over that rabbit hole again of facts vs. fear mongering… so stepping back from the brink.

[smoofox]

@Aussie_2020

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Ooooh… I was in the middle of reading that - it looked good!

@lazaret

Short answer: no.

“Unlawful presence” is not a crime, because “unlawful” does not mean “illegal”. Illegal entry MAY be a crime, but it is only a crime at the time of entry. You are not continuing to commit a crime after the entry simply by being here, you are accumulating unlawful presence. Also, most of the people everyone is calling “illegals” are taxpaying lawful residents who do not have permanent residency status or people who have overstayed a valid visa. They did not enter illegally.

Those who are accumulating unlawful presence are entitled under the Immigration and Naturalization act to apply for entry. You are only permanently inadmissible for entry if you accumulated lawful presence, left the country, and then reentered the country again without entry by an immigration officer.

Again, greased flagpole. Don’t believe everything you see on Fox News.

lazaret - THANK YOU for your expertise and knowledge. The truth always seems to be pushed aside as an inconvenience…

[Aussie_2020]

Sorry @smoofox I thought maybe I was straying to far off course.

The gist of it was that when I drove a crappy vehicle I was pulled into the police net everytime simple because my pickup was old and rusty. Once they saw who was driving they would flag me on. Never checked my driving credentials, never checked if I had been drinking.

Profiling pure and simple.

[Sdel]

@smoofox

As far as SS cards/numbers go… you are issued one so you can work here on a work visa (and it is flagged as temporary) - but you are not entitled to any of the benefits unless you wind up getting a green card and then becoming a citizen.

Or they get stolen and provided to people to use to fraudulently work and possibly collect benefits they aren’t entitled to. SSA was kind enough to notify me of this reality - twice. Do people here really think that the SSA isn’t notifying people that they have identified fraudulent use of their SSN for employment purposes?

[jvanrens]

Just searched for an update and found this from a couple of hours ago.

ICE arrests 84 people at Louisiana racetrack

ETA this:

ICE arrests 84 people at Louisiana racetrack

[enjoytheride]

So they arrested 84 but only 2 had criminal records.

[Joanne]

I wonder how many people will be in line tomorrow to grab the jobs of the people arrested at the track./s