ICE Raid At Delta Downs

[timetorush]

I think, unfortunately, we are just at the beginning of these raids occurring at race tracks and other horse facilities. And I feel pretty concerned by the position of those who seem to suggest that mass civil rights violations are no big deal when the government is fishing around for supposed criminals. I suspect, or at least hope, they would feel differently if they were subjected to some of the racial profiling, excessive force, and deprivations of liberty that many American citizens have already experienced in the quest of immigration enforcement where officers have been instructed to ignore legal guardrails and arrest as many people as possible. And, to be clear, this type of workplace raid is not geared to get “criminals off the streets” and in fact has likely decreased public safety, as a significant number of federal agents from different agencies-- like the FBI-- have been tasked to civil immigration enforcement instead of investigating and preventing violent crimes. The most recent ICE detention data shows an unprecedented increase in interior arrests of individuals with no criminal record, because that is really the only they can reach the insane arrest quotas Stephen Miller is mandating.

We are experiencing a time where the government is mass-undocumenting people-- yes, including people who “did it the right way” and paid the fees, filed the applications, followed the process the government laid out for them to come to the US. Hundreds of thousands of people who followed the established process to enter the country and received work permits had their status and work authorization terminated overnight. And now, even if they have other pending immigration applications, they are being arrested at worksites or on the streets. Many of our industries, including the horse industry, are reliant on immigrant workers who will be feeling the pain of these aggressive enforcement tactics. That is the economic reality of America, and our immigration laws are decades behind the current needs of the country.

[smoofox]

@Sdel

@smoofox

As far as SS cards/numbers go… you are issued one so you can work here on a work visa (and it is flagged as temporary) - but you are not entitled to any of the benefits unless you wind up getting a green card and then becoming a citizen.

Or they get stolen and provided to people to use to fraudulently work and possibly collect benefits they aren’t entitled to.

?? You cannot collect benefits off those SS numbers/cards that are flagged in the system as temporary - for work visas only.
You pay into SS with every paycheck - but cannot reap any rewards from it.

Maybe I am just misunderstanding you…

[jvanrens]

Because all those “millionaires” at the QH meet are going to pay the big bucks ya know. There’s some good money for the stake races from what I can find, those horses will likely haul in for that race, but the rest of the races I can’t easily find what the purse money is like for that neck of the woods. Must be looking in the wrong place.

[quietann]

There was a bill for that last year…

[Annie10]

I don’t watch Fox News. Was that supposed to be an insult?

[Laurierace]

Arresting people when they show up for their court ordered asylum hearings tells you they don’t want legal immigration either.

[quietann]

I don’t think people who use the terms “illegals” as a noun actually think they’re human. Maybe when they get deported they become human again?

[ThreeWishes]

No they erase their perceived enemy. The one the powers that be tell them is the source of the worlds problems. Sound familiar? The same people who ghoulishly champion a dead woman carrying a child will lose interest once it’s born. It’s lazy outrage. Blame them. Pay no attention to the real issues. Corruption. Impending war. Etc etc. as long as it doesn’t affect them. They care not for THEM.

[SBrentnall]

@snaffle1987

Being an illegal in this country is a crime and it is punishable under law.

Wrong. A civil violation is not the same thing as a crime. If you’re going to pretend to be a lawyer, at least get your facts straight.

[4horses]

The saddest part of all this is that the government should be doing everything they can do to invest in farming. Having a secure food supply for the future should be more important than immigration policies.

‘Like everyone on the planet giving up breakfast’: Calories from food...

[roseymare]

@snaffle1987

If you are legally hired within the US< you are supposed to apply for one through social security .

You get a ITIN but foreign workers do not get paid out SSN or medicare benefits although they pay in

[roseymare]

@Sdel

Identity theft and possible defrauding the Us gov’t for benefits is a crime.

What benefits do you think they are getting whilst using a fake SSN for employment?

[roseymare]

It is good ole Americans who are stealing SSN and filing fraudulent tax returns or taking out loans.

[cristalle]

@millerra

Have you read the reports of people being detained? Not fed, watered and kept under humane conditions, according to reports.

Everyone has a right to due process or no one has rights. If you don’t have a right to due process, how do you prove that you are legally here or not. You are silenced and disappeared. People are being grabbed up while going to immigration court - with proper paperwork and trying to do it legally. This is what americans are having “a problem with”. Unidentified, masked, armed men in unmarked vehicles should not have the authority to grab up anyone. Full stop. They are the ones breaking the law.

Just repeating this for those in the back.

[cristalle]

@timetorush

And I feel pretty concerned by the position of those who seem to suggest that mass civil rights violations are no big deal when the government is fishing around for supposed criminals. I suspect, or at least hope, they would feel differently if they were subjected to some of the racial profiling, excessive force, and deprivations of liberty that many American citizens have already experienced in the quest of immigration enforcement where officers have been instructed to ignore legal guardrails and arrest as many people as possible. And, to be clear, this type of workplace raid is not geared to get “criminals off the streets” and in fact has likely decreased public safety, as a significant number of federal agents from different agencies-- like the FBI-- have been tasked to civil immigration enforcement instead of investigating and preventing violent crimes. The most recent ICE detention data shows an unprecedented increase in interior arrests of individuals with no criminal record, because that is really the only they can reach the insane arrest quotas Stephen Miller is mandating.

We are experiencing a time where the government is mass-undocumenting people-- yes, including people who “did it the right way” and paid the fees, filed the applications, followed the process the government laid out for them to come to the US. Hundreds of thousands of people who followed the established process to enter the country and received work permits had their status and work authorization terminated overnight. And now, even if they have other pending immigration applications, they are being arrested at worksites or on the streets. Many of our industries, including the horse industry, are reliant on immigrant workers who will be feeling the pain of these aggressive enforcement tactics. That is the economic reality of America, and our immigration laws are decades behind the current needs of the country.

All of this. Thank you, timetorush,

[Aussie_2020]

I guess if we’re to look for the silver lining we could say “hey, we’ll be slim without the use of all those crazy diet aids”.

[Jenerationx]

Actually, no. If you aren’t eligible for a SSN, you apply for an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, so those people pay taxes, but are not eligible to ever collect social security.

@snaffle1987

They are not protected under our constitutional rights.

Actually, they do have some rights. The right to due process comes to mind.

@snaffle1987

Being an undocumented individual is a civil violation under the law. But unauthorized entry and/or re-entry to the country is a criminal offense under US Code 8 U.S.C 1325. This includes entering the country at a time or place not designated by officials or making false statements during entry.

There’s that pesky due process thing again. We can’t legally just round people up and send them to El Salvador (which isn’t even their country of origin.)

[MorganSercu]

Happened to a friend of mine. A much-beloved member of her family did it and racked up debts all over the place. She never knew until she was applying for college loans and her credit was toast. Identity theft on top of it and the choice was have individual arrested and found guilty or start out financial and adult life in the hole.

At the time, no one cared that no way a then-five year old could possibly have stiffed the water company, or at 10 have dunned a landlord, etc.

I don’t know if the system is any better now. Particularly if the CFPB has been gutted.

[Janet]

@Lusoluv

they are paying about 30% of their wages to the Social Security Admin, without ever getting it back

The employee’s share of social security taxes is 6.5%.
Where did you get 30% from?

[tabula_rashah]

Or, you know, pro human? Countries are not sports teams