This is so much my experience, just dealing with some of the SafeSport offenders. Just because someone treated (or manipulated) me well, doesn’t mean they aren’t also a malicious snake in the proverbial grass.
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Lawful permanent residents (aka “green card holders”) remain lawful permanent residents unless and until they either voluntarily abandon their status through a signing a form, or they have their status terminated by an immigration judge. Because we have due process of law in this country.
It might feel easy to push aside important due process protections for people who are obviously bad actors in our society. Who wants to defend someone who has done unspeakable things, right? But the importance of these procedural protections lays in the fact that everyone is entitled to them. If you throw due process out the window for the criminals of today, who’s to say someone else won’t label you a criminal and throw it out for you tomorrow?
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Nobody just “labelled” this guy. He had plenty of due process and was convicted in a court of law,
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And yet, the criminal justice system and the civil immigration enforcement system are entirely separate by law. So the act of a criminal court conviction does not allow the US government to put a lawful permanent resident on a plane and deport them, until they have proven through our immigration court system that that individual is deportable.
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In this case I don’t believe the individual in question is a citizen. I thought he just had some sort of documentation as an immigrant .
In any event , I sure wouldn’t go to bat for this guy. I’ll save my energies for someone worth having in our country, that’s not messing with little kids.
I’ve seen it as a part of the sentencing in criminal county that that status is revoked and they are ordered deported. It does happen. And it should.
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Who’s to decide what does or doesn’t warrant ICE? None of us/you know squat about these people or their scenarios.
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If you think having a minor amount of marijuana on your person is worth deporting someone, that’s your prerogative. I am not sure that’s a violation worth booting them out of the country.
Regarding the person that we were addressing, all I was addressing is that just because someone has a probation officer doesn’t mean it’s some terrible crime. In this case, it seemed to be.
I’m not sure why I can’t have an opinion about that. The anti-immigrant people sure seem to be pretty open with theirs.
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This entire forum- especially all the political ones- are full of opinions.
None of them make them fact. That’s all. Most kf us don’t have facts about most of the political issues being “discussed”. And it definitely scews the opposite of what you described.
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I witnessed a very poor hispanic woman in a rattle trap old car get pulled over today in small town Alabamistan. She had rolled through a stop sign. Even my right leaning DH spoke my thoughts - if they get their way Alabama can hold her for 48 hours to figure out her immigration status. He was worried for her as an emblem of being poor in a hostile country just going to the grocery store. I mean if she’s got 30 lbs of fentanyl, go on ahead. Otherwise…yeah.
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What I was describing was more general, and the epitome of “don’t judge before you have all the facts”.
Someone had asserted that the dude had a probation officer, so it must be terrible and violent. I was simply saying that not all crimes that require visiting a probation officer are terrible and violent so we can’t judge that.
I’m not sure why you think I’m saying anything different than “WE DON’T HAVE ALL THE FACTS”.
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This is an interesting article:
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How lucky are the BNT who can afford to marry a US citizen, then stay to train horses. Smart folks know how not to get deported.
Then, there’s the Olympian who paid the barn manager to marry the “illegal” nanny! ICE is chasing the wrong people 
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I’m way behind but just wanted to comment on this.
This is the frustration of being in a service business. Customers don’t say when things go well, they generally only say when they don’t get the service they expect.
I used to manage a number of departments that offered services to the other areas of the organization, e.g. facilities, hr, finance. My staff would get so frustrated because, no matter how hard they worked, all they heard was complaints.
I did some research to see how I could support them. One of the descriptions of this has always stuck with me - it related service provided by a person to that provided by an elevator. When we use an elevator, we don’t notice when it does what we expect it to do, only when it doesn’t meet our expectations. When was the last time you got off the elevator and thought, Wow, it took me to my floor, great job elevator? But you might remember complaining when the elevator was slow, smelled, was dark, made scary noises…
It’s the same with running a barn or any other service, especially one that the recipient pays for directly. While it would be wonderful if your boarders let you know they appreciate you, and they probably do, it is less likely they will comment on it because you are simply providing the service they expect. While it gets demoralizing, silent customers are happy customers.
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I hope these situations were reported.
Oh for sure. I program for a living. People don’t notice the millions of lines of code or the nights spent up migrating databases, but if the button color changes from orange to blue, all heck breaks loose.
Maybe I should have more accurately said - most people don’t appreciate the people who do the work for them very well. Barn work is particularly expensive, hard, often in miserable weather, with horses who are either trying to kill you or kill themselves. Everyone in that chain, from groom to barn owner, is sacrificing a fair amount to bring you those services. And now I don’t even remember why I brought it up LOL But I do know that many many people dream of having their horses at home that would never be able to handle the work, expense, or anxiety 
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I know somebody who has owned horses and ridden and shown all his life. He’s had some very nice horses, he’s won in the amateurs at some very nice horse shows, and he’s always really enjoyed every part of the process.
The one dream he had always had for years and years was to have a place where he could keep his horses at home and take care of them himself.
And finally, a few years back, he found a property that he thought would be perfect, and he bought it and got it all fixed up and ready for his horses to live there, and he was so excited.
That lasted for about a month. And after that, he was ready to go back to just paying the board bill somewhere else and bringing the carrots every day. Lol.
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On days like today, when it took me nearly 3 hours to get 3 horses safely out the door in this crazy weather, I almost feel the same way.
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I must be a glutton for punishment but I have been at it for 43 years. Originally a boarding, training, lesson barn. I backed, trained, fox hunted, coached ponyclubbers and showed. Now down to three retirees, one boarder and two of my own.
I still do all the work and right now with several snow storms behind us it has been tough but I wouldn’t trade it for the world. Coffee has never tasted as good after finishing morning chores and getting the horses out safely.
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I have to say that the guy I mentioned who brought his horses home and got over it in about a month was doing that in the middle of the summer.
If it had been in the middle of winter, he probably would not have lasted for a week. Lol.
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